List Mgmt. AFL Senior List Contract Status

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SYDNEY SWANS CONTRACT STATUS (Updated 22-NOV-2023)

The minimum list size for each club will be 37, which can be made up of as little as 36 senior listed players and one rookie.

To reach 44, clubs can carry 36-38 senior listed players, four to six Category A rookies, and two Category B rookies.

List make up - 37 Senior Listed players, 5 Category A rookies and 2 Category B rookie.


Contract Expires - 2024:
Harry Arnold (Cat A Rookie 2nd Year)
Jack Buller (Cat A Rookie 2nd Year)
Harry Cunningham
William Edwards (Cat B Rookie 2nd Year)
Oliver Florent
Robbie Fox
Aaron Francis
Errol Gulden
Will Hayward
Indhi Kirk (Cat B Rookie 1st Year)
Jacob Konstanty
Jaiden Magor (Cat A Rookie 2nd Year)
Lachlan McAndrew (Cat A Rookie 3rd Year)
Logan McDonald
Lewis Melican
Caleb Mitchell
Sam Reid (Cat A Rookie 1st Year)
James Rowbottom
Cooper Vickery

Contract Expires - 2025:
Braeden Campbell
Caiden Cleary
Joel Hamling
Peter Ladhams
Jake Lloyd
Luke Parker
Dane Rampe
Matthew Roberts
Angus Sheldrick
Patrick Snell
Chad Warner
Corey Warner
Sam Wicks
John Longmire (Senior Coach)

Contract Expires - 2026:
Taylor Adams
Joel Amartey
Will Green
James Jordon
Justin McInerney

Contract Expires- 2027:
Brodie Grundy
Tom McCartin
Hayden McLean

Contract Expires - 2028:
Issac Heeney
Tom Papley

Contract Expires - 2029:
Callum Mills

Contract Expires - 2031:
Nick Blakey
 
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FreeAgent1

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I think the timing of COVID kinda helps a bit.

no one besides north would have a HUGE war chest.

Dawson, McCartin & Stephena to get 3 year deals and more $$$.

the rest we want to keep won’t cost heaps as I don’t think there is a market there (I.e. Hewitt, Parker, Kennedy, Reid)

mcClean and fox get upgraded. Cull rest
 
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mcClean and fox get upgraded. Cull rest
Are you suggesting that we cull the rest of our rookie list?
Our rookie list includes Sam Wicks, I'm assuming you don't mean to cull him?

Also O'Connor, Carruthers & Sheather have only played 3 reserves games to date.
Far too early to make a call on them.
 

Tesla Tenet

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I think the timing of COVID kinda helps a bit.

no one besides north would have a HUGE war chest.

Dawson, McCartin & Stephena to get 3 year deals and more $$$.

the rest we want to keep won’t cost heaps as I don’t think there is a market there (I.e. Hewitt, Parker, Kennedy, Reid)

mcClean and fox get upgraded. Cull rest
Hawks and Crows will have plenty of room in the cap.

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Another 8-10 of the list imo

Bell
Amerty
Ling
Sinclair
Brand
Gray
Ronke
Cor maybe
Clarke maybe

I'd personally stick with Sinclair and COR on one year deals. Very handy for depth and they both clearly are good for the place from a culture perspective, both love the place and seem loved. Plus they can both still play at senior level when required. They aren't first choice by any means, but very useful depth players.

Bell, Amartey, Brand, Gray, Ronke, and Clarke I think are very likely to be let go and Ling is 50/50 at best. I think the club rate him but if he can't force his way into the side then he's in naturally in trouble. Could be a good rookie selection though, I'd be fine with that.
 

Kiama Chris

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I'd personally stick with Sinclair and COR on one year deals. Very handy for depth and they both clearly are good for the place from a culture perspective, both love the place and seem loved. Plus they can both still play at senior level when required. They aren't first choice by any means, but very useful depth players.

Bell, Amartey, Brand, Gray, Ronke, and Clarke I think are very likely to be let go and Ling is 50/50 at best. I think the club rate him but if he can't force his way into the side then he's in naturally in trouble. Could be a good rookie selection though, I'd be fine with that.
My guess is that the club will only delist as many as it needs to create the spaces for drafting. Not sure we have any real trade currency to play with who would enable us to move up to a better pick or picks so I doubt we'll be shopping around. Imagine only Sinkers will retire this season which will not open up a a lot of cap space.
Next season might be very different but I expect this one to be pretty low key.
2020 pretty hard to match!
 
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My guess is that the club will only delist as many as it needs to create the spaces for drafting.

They will delist 3 to 4 off the senior list to open up spots for draft picks and then another 2 spots will need to be opened to promote Wicks and McLean to the senior list. So they could easily delist 5 to 6 senior listed players before they even think about trading anyone in or out.
 

Kiama Chris

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They will delist 3 to 4 off the senior list to open up spots for draft picks and then another 2 spots will need to be opened to promote Wicks and McLean to the senior list. So they could easily delist 5 to 6 senior listed players before they even think about trading anyone in or out.
As I said, as many as we need.
Agree that Wicks and McLean DESERVE to be promoted but it's more of a commercial decision with the 80k discount. That plus contract issues.
The national draftees MUST go onto the Senior List. We may choose to delist and rerookie some too, but we will want our full quota on the rookie list.
 

SGBeach

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We've turned over an average of 10ish players each year for the last 3 years. Still re-building but I can't see another 10 go out this year?? but wouldn't be surprised if theres a few ruthless calls made
 

Kiama Chris

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We've turned over an average of 10ish players each year for the last 3 years. Still re-building but I can't see another 10 go out this year?? but wouldn't be surprised if theres a few ruthless calls made
I think Robbie's half a dozen is probably closer to the mark. May even include a retirement (Sinkers) or two (JPK). The development players seem to be doing OK (Sheather, Carruthers, O'Connor). We seem committed to Amartey and Bell (don't @ me!) so it looks like the original top ups like Gray, Taylor, Clarke plus Ronke if he can't get right might be most at risk. Gould might even be a smoky for that list.
Everyone else has shown something at senior level.
A lot depends on contract status of course, but as I said before I don't think we have much trade currency unless we're short of steak knives or someone actively wants to leave. This mob look pretty settled though.
 

Tesla Tenet

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A month later and the uncontracted list hasn't changed much. Post 4/04/21.

That is a list ending 2021 to deal with.

We have massive decisions as Norf, Hawks, Crows, Blues and ors might offer much bigger elsewhere.

Absolutes:

Dawson
Hewett
McCartin
Parker - talking
Stephens
Warner - done 06/04
Wicks

Likely's:

McLean
Reid
Ling (I hope)

Maybes:

Brand
Carruthers
Gould
Naismith (Base pay) extension done April
Sinclair
O'Connor
Sheather
Fox

Going:
Amartey
Bell
Clarke
Gray
O'Riordan
Ronke

Kennedy signed, maybe not. Edited May

Extensions on Chad, Rowy & Lizard. 8 April.

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To put my two cents in, I'll place people into largely subjective categories:

Best 22 + Likely To Be For A Long Time

Jordan Dawson
George Hewett
Tom McCartin
Hayden McLean
Luke Parker
Sam Wicks

These guys are all MUST keeps, with the possible exception of Hewett (who while Best 22 isn't playing in his best position). As long as they don't ask for unreasonable deals we must try everything to keep them.

Best 28 + Young

Dylan Stephens

Make sure you keep him too (I know there's been some skepticism around him but it's too early to write him off and he's dominating the ECFL at least).

Best 22 But Aging

Robbie Fox (I know he's younger than Parker but he's not the same tier of talent and was a fringe player as recently as 12 months ago)
Josh Kennedy
Sam Reid

Fox's problem in my eyes is that he's still the fringe player he was before Rampe went down last year. I'd still probably keep him as he's still Best 22 and we don't have a whole heap of defensive depth, but I wouldn't be inclined to give him more than a year I don't think. Kennedy is a year-on-year prospect I think, I don't want to push him into retirement but equally we might be having a Priddis-like situation where he's still more than capable of playing good footy but it might be causing more harm than good for our prospects. Still would probably give him another year but I wouldn't be afraid to run away from that if he doesn't finish the year well. Reid probably gets a 2 year deal but given his lack of durability and the fact that he just doesn't kick all that many goals means it shouldn't be a monster deal like his last one. Will he keep out McLean or McDonald next year?

Young But Unproven

Malachy Carruthers
Will Gould
Marc Sheather

Hard to know where to go, the thing that might help their fate is that there's a lot of Sydney players that don't deserve another deal so it might give them a second look. Carruthers I don't know a lot about but I don't think seems special enough to build an AFL career, whereas Sheather's shown a few signs that he just might, so I'd be tempted to cut Carruthers but keep Sheather. As for Gould, I'm guilty as * for over-hyping him because of his U18 stuff, but there comes a point where that's no longer enough to stay on a list. I might be inclined to give him an extra year but he'd want to show some signs of development fast.

Young-ish Players That Have Been On The List For A While And Haven't Kicked On

Joel Amartey
James Bell
Matt Ling

Amartey I was very surprised they kept giving another chance to, but he has seemed to lift this year in the ECFL. Would be interested in seeing how he goes in firsts. I still don't see a real role for him at AFL level though which is a problem. Bell seems the classic case of being a midfielder who's a quality ECFL player but not quite good enough to crack an AFL midfielder. I don't think he's shown enough development to show he's an AFL player, but he's still sort of young so might get another chance. Ling I think there's a player there but that might be his draft pick talking. Right now it feels like a sunk cost fallacy, and I don't think he's doing enough to stay on the list.

Middle Aged Fringe Players

Kaiden Brand
Ryan Clarke
Colin O'Riordan

Tough to gague, none of these guys are particularly special but can do a role if called upon. Given that there's not that much defensive depth I can see an argument for keeping one of Brand or O'Riordan (as I don't think there's a whole bunch of ready made taller defenders out there), but I don't think it's worth keeping both. Clarke I think has run his race at Sydney, but I think he could offer value elsewhere akin to the role that Keays plays at Adelaide.

Middle Aged ECFL Specialists

Sam Gray
Ben Ronke

Admittedly that might be harsh on Ronke given his injury, he might be considered a middle-aged fringe player otherwise. Nevertheless I struggle to see a role for him at full fitness unless he plays every game like he did against the Hawks in 2018. Anyway there's no point in keeping people in this bracket on a list.

Old Fringe Players

Callum Sinclair

Love the guy but he's probably our third choice ruckman at this point in his career and older than the two he's behind. I think it's time.

Experiments

Barry O'Connor

He seems to have a bit of talent, but he's not really close to getting games yet. Wait and see how the rest of the year pans out, but given the way the Cat B system works I'd give him another year as if he gets it together he could be a weapon.
 
In summary:

Keep

Jordan Dawson
George Hewett
Tom McCartin
Hayden McLean
Luke Parker
Sam Wicks
Dylan Stephens
Sam Reid

Probably Keep

Robbie Fox
Josh Kennedy
Barry O'Connor
Marc Sheather

Maybe

Joel Amartey
Kaiden Brand
Malachy Carruthers
Ryan Clarke
Will Gould
Colin O'Riordan

Cut

James Bell
Sam Gray
Matthew Ling
Ben Ronke
Callum Sinclair
 
Oct 2, 2016
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Thought he was negotiating. Has this been confirmed?
Yeah article on afl.com.au drops it in

The Swans quietly re-signed co-captain Josh Kennedy to a new one-year deal but fellow skipper Luke Parker, long-kicking defender Jordan Dawson, restricted free agent George Hewett and top-five pick Dylan Stephens are among those remaining unsigned with a salary cap which was tight at the end of last year.
 
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Personally would have waited till end of year for Kennedy

We have done deals to rok , Richards etc then they have run around in the 2s taking cap in there last year

No hate but could’ve waited on Kennedy imo
As long as we can keep the bulk of our best 25-28 I don't care when we resign them. He's shown enough to warrant an extension
 
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