Apple Isle Showdown: Tas Govt threatens to end Hawks, North deals if no plan for 19th side

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Sorry, I though you were referring to the effects of Covid, not because of the attitude to the AFL organisation itself.

Like witr other disaster, the 1920 Spanish flu, WW2, the crowds came back.


Thinking or dreaming outside a square doesn't automatically make something achievable or even realistic. Whether short, medium or long term.
There was no TV back then, now people might just feel it's easier and safer just to stay home and watch.

If they do and crowds keep going backward, 2 grounds is not going to be viable, and going on all the other states, excluding Vic, they get all their games FTA.
 
There was no TV back then, now people might just feel it's easier and safer just to stay home and watch.

If they do and crowds keep going backward, 2 grounds is not going to be viable, and going on all the other states, excluding Vic, they get all their games FTA.

It also makes TV rights more valuable, and the value of clubs that don't add to them (like Tas) more dubious.

and before people start, more games doesn't add value...more viewers do. A 10th game is only as valuable as the other 9 if it adds the (average) viewers that those 9 got.
 
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In an important development & show of support for a Tas.19th team, AFLPA CEO, P. Marsh, says players strongly support a 19th team (more jobs for players, though he didn't say this!)- if it can be shown to be financially "sustainable".

He wants a "truly national competition". Marsh said "I think there is a strong chance it will happen"; & said " I've.... expressed our views" to C. Carter.

N. Negrepontis said "The push to have a team in Tasmania has been strong in the last 12 months"


The players wont get much more. There wont be extra games so TV wont pay.

If the plan is 7-ish games in Hobart, 4-ish games in Launceston, how much will the memberships be?
 

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Because it was free market back then. ;)
Grass roots.
Nothing like a bit of ignorant right wing revisionism on two of the most significant financial disasters in history. Club's survived the GD because they were almost entirely amateur. There were no million dollar contracts dependant on TV rights which in turn were dependant on marketing revenue. It wasn't even a thing. I'll note that the effects of the GD lasted for the whole decade until the start of WW2. The GFC was prevented from having the same international impact due almost exclusively to the intervention of world governments. Had your precious 'Free market' been able to take it's natural 'free' course, the world economy would indeed have tanked the same way it did some 80 years prior. However due to massive financial government intervention, which is pretty much as socialist as you can get, this collapse was prevented from happening. Australia has free education, free health care, minimum wages and a myriad of other laws designed to keep competition and equality in the market. That my friend, is socialism. Long term, free market policies kill competition. What happens at the end of a game of Monopoly? Someone ends up with ALL OF THE MONEY. How many supermarkets brands used to be in Australia? Petrol Stations? How many mobile phone companies started in the 90's and how many are left? How many hardware stores are there now? Pure free market economics is a theory that, like communism, doesn't work in reality. If we lived in a pure Neo Liberal free market economy, there'd be no Covid assistance to businesses. It'd be survival of the fittest, sink or swim. Which all Neo Liberals want unless it's their business that is doing badly, then they want government help. Until then it's all chest beating about the right of the individual and 'I should be free to do what I want'. Anyone who thinks that our economy would be in the position it's in without the largest ever government spending to intervene, again which is absolutely Socialist, is a complete ignoramus and someone who clearly isn't capable of understanding even simple economic and social policies.
 
Nothing like a bit of ignorant right wing revisionism on two of the most significant financial disasters in history. Club's survived the GD because they were almost entirely amateur. There were no million dollar contracts dependant on TV rights which in turn were dependant on marketing revenue. It wasn't even a thing. I'll note that the effects of the GD lasted for the whole decade until the start of WW2. The GFC was prevented from having the same international impact due almost exclusively to the intervention of world governments. Had your precious 'Free market' been able to take it's natural 'free' course, the world economy would indeed have tanked the same way it did some 80 years prior. However due to massive financial government intervention, which is pretty much as socialist as you can get, this collapse was prevented from happening. Australia has free education, free health care, minimum wages and a myriad of other laws designed to keep competition and equality in the market. That my friend, is socialism. Long term, free market policies kill competition. What happens at the end of a game of Monopoly? Someone ends up with ALL OF THE MONEY. How many supermarkets brands used to be in Australia? Petrol Stations? How many mobile phone companies started in the 90's and how many are left? How many hardware stores are there now? Pure free market economics is a theory that, like communism, doesn't work in reality. If we lived in a pure Neo Liberal free market economy, there'd be no Covid assistance to businesses. It'd be survival of the fittest, sink or swim. Which all Neo Liberals want unless it's their business that is doing badly, then they want government help. Until then it's all chest beating about the right of the individual and 'I should be free to do what I want'. Anyone who thinks that our economy would be in the position it's in without the largest ever government spending to intervene, again which is absolutely Socialist, is a complete ignoramus and someone who clearly isn't capable of understanding even simple economic and social policies.

I'm so sorry that your enter key is broken.
 
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Nothing like a bit of ignorant right wing revisionism on two of the most significant financial disasters in history. Club's survived the GD because they were almost entirely amateur. There were no million dollar contracts dependant on TV rights which in turn were dependant on marketing revenue. It wasn't even a thing. I'll note that the effects of the GD lasted for the whole decade until the start of WW2. The GFC was prevented from having the same international impact due almost exclusively to the intervention of world governments. Had your precious 'Free market' been able to take it's natural 'free' course, the world economy would indeed have tanked the same way it did some 80 years prior. However due to massive financial government intervention, which is pretty much as socialist as you can get, this collapse was prevented from happening. Australia has free education, free health care, minimum wages and a myriad of other laws designed to keep competition and equality in the market. That my friend, is socialism. Long term, free market policies kill competition. What happens at the end of a game of Monopoly? Someone ends up with ALL OF THE MONEY. How many supermarkets brands used to be in Australia? Petrol Stations? How many mobile phone companies started in the 90's and how many are left? How many hardware stores are there now? Pure free market economics is a theory that, like communism, doesn't work in reality. If we lived in a pure Neo Liberal free market economy, there'd be no Covid assistance to businesses. It'd be survival of the fittest, sink or swim. Which all Neo Liberals want unless it's their business that is doing badly, then they want government help. Until then it's all chest beating about the right of the individual and 'I should be free to do what I want'. Anyone who thinks that our economy would be in the position it's in without the largest ever government spending to intervene, again which is absolutely Socialist, is a complete ignoramus and someone who clearly isn't capable of understanding even simple economic and social policies.

Lets face it, RW politics is all about Privatising Profits & Socialising Losses. ;)
 
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The players wont get much more. There wont be extra games so TV wont pay.

If the plan is 7-ish games in Hobart, 4-ish games in Launceston, how much will the memberships be?

No, 5-6 split, reversing each year.

Launceston Utas will get a major upgrade. It'll host any finals.

Thats the politics of it.

I'll also bet that their won't be any stadium changes in Hobart.

That too is the politics of it ;)
 

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No, 5-6 split, reversing each year.

Launceston Utas will get a major upgrade. It'll host any finals.

Thats the politics of it.

I'll also bet that their won't be any stadium changes in Hobart.

That too is the politics of it ;)


And then you won't get a team

...that's the reality of it


There is no way Tasmania gets a team without the government building a state of the art stadium in Hobart
 

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The GFC was in 2007-2008 mate. Hell the league survived COVID shutdowns last year and a 200m drop in revenue, while the clubs survived 20-30% drops in revenue. I think you severely underestimate the resilience here.
Let's talk about the depression.
The GFC, did not really take hold in Oz as we printed our way out, same as this hiccup.

But as you know, you can't just print money, without paying it back. Our next depression will come sooner or later, and we will see how GC & GWS fare, along with the mandatory 95% salary cap player payment requirement.

But let me not tangent, since you brought it up, please talk about the equalisation policies of the 1930's.
 
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Let's talk about the depression.
The GFC, did not really take hold in Oz as we printed our way out, same as this hiccup.

But as you know, you can't just print money, without paying it back. Our next depression will come sooner or later, and we will see how GC & GWS fare, along with the mandatory 95% salary cap player payment requirement.

But let me not tangent, since you brought it up, please talk about the equalisation policies of the 1930's.

I said the game survived the depression. I didnt mention equalisation. And we are far removed from the 30s.

every post you make in this thread is a friggin tangent.
 

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I said the game survived the depression. I didnt mention equalisation. And we are far removed from the 30s.

every post you make in this thread is a friggin tangent.
But it is not quite so far in some sense..it is a world where the daily life is altered and we aren’t sure of ...
and there you have it..we all gather our senses and then we want to blast out...
 

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I said the game survived the depression. I didnt mention equalisation. And we are far removed from the 30s.
And how exactly did the game survive the depression?
Did the club's get help from any Governing body?
No, they knew there was not any handouts, so they took a responsible approach to their operations.

But, yes, we are far removed from the days of responsibility, for we are in an egalitarian, welfare dependent society. Let's see how it pans out when the crunch comes and money dries up.
 

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I said the game survived the depression. I didnt mention equalisation. And we are far removed from the 30s.
I guarantee that without AFL assistance policies, that a team in Launceston AND a team in Hobart, would have a better chance of surviving the next depression, than GWS and GC, say, if the AFL got rid of their requirements to pay 95% of the salary cap.
 
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There was no TV back then, now people might just feel it's easier and safer just to stay home and watch.

If they do and crowds keep going backward, 2 grounds is not going to be viable, and going on all the other states, excluding Vic, they get all their games FTA.
The grounds will still be there and in use weather we have a team or not ones the main cricket ground in the state and both host the state league games if we had a afl club the grounds will be getting utilised more and the costs would be even less . you come up with the most ridiculous arguments that make no sense
 
I am very much in favour of Tassy team and I expect most folks are.

Quality wise the comp suffers from the thin spread of talent across 18 Teams. Adding one or two more teams will further dilute the comp.

I reckon the way to have a Tas team is to:

* relocate a Melbourne based Club, or
* rebuild the VFA and relegate the lowest placed Melbourne based Club in the first year
* thereafter there would be a promotion relegation system from the VFA to the AFL.

The advantages are plenty, not least being Melbourne based Clubs would not tank. The interest in the secondary VFA comp would skyrocket and who knows the mighty Borough might win promotion one day.
 
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The grounds will still be there and in use weather we have a team or not ones the main cricket ground in the state and both host the state league games if we had a afl club the grounds will be getting utilised more and the costs would be even less . you come up with the most ridiculous arguments that make no sense
Tell us all how much it costs to upgrade and maintain grounds, maybe even build a new ground in Hobart.

The government has to agree to spend, not you.
 
I am very much in favour of Tassy team and I expect most folks are.

Quality wise the comp suffers from the thin spread of talent across 18 Teams. Adding one or two more teams will further dilute the comp.

I reckon the way to have a Tas team is to:

* relocate a Melbourne based Club, or
* rebuild the VFA and relegate the lowest placed Melbourne based Club in the first year
* thereafter there would be a promotion relegation system from the VFA to the AFL.

The advantages are plenty, not least being Melbourne based Clubs would not tank. The interest in the secondary VFA comp would skyrocket and who knows the mighty Borough might win promotion one day.

Given the VFL had to expand to include NSW & QLD as a (further) subsidy to the clubs there, then surely the NSW & QLD clubs should also be subject to relegation.

Of course, with fewer Melbourne clubs to provide them with their funding, this will probably happen fairly soon.
 
The grounds will still be there and in use weather we have a team or not ones the main cricket ground in the state and both host the state league games if we had a afl club the grounds will be getting utilised more and the costs would be even less . you come up with the most ridiculous arguments that make no sense

If you had an AFL club, the requirements for ground quality (and costs to maintain them to that level) would mean the grounds get used less.
 
Given the VFL had to expand to include NSW & QLD as a (further) subsidy to the clubs there, then surely the NSW & QLD clubs should also be subject to relegation.

Of course, with fewer Melbourne clubs to provide them with their funding, this will probably happen fairly soon.

Nup. The AFL nabobs need those markets.

A promotion/relegation system would get more Melbourne people watching.
 
Nup. The AFL nabobs need those markets.

A promotion/relegation system would get more Melbourne people watching.

Long term, perhaps, but short term the Vic market is what funds NSW/QLD.
 
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