Opinion Commentary & Media V

[kaboom kid]

Aren't you supposed to ?

( a.f a.f. )

In an Eyes Wide Shut scenario maybe? Or one of Zondor's parties ....

 

[SonofSamsquanch]

Aren't you supposed to ?

( a.f a.f. )

 

[north_lad]

yeah imagine consulting public health experts during a health crisis, how dumb

drop dead Darce

 

[the flying ham]

Those comments from the CHO were an absolute joke. Laughably bad.

 

[nj23]

Sounded crazy maybe. She was still just recommending people wash their hands. Fairly tame in my books.
Darcy would be the first to snitch if someone broke a rule but whinges about advice on a radio broadcast. Get a grip LD.

 

[leighlee13]

H

link?

I think he meant Hill and Hannebery from St Kilda not Hall.

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[koshari]

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I think he meant Hill and Hannebery from St Kilda not Hall.

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paywalled

 

[king of the road]

Gobsmackingly unprofessional. Well done to Jude Bolton for calling it out but he shouldn't have had to. Wtf is 7 getting him to comment on this as a paid reporter and calling the main player in the story 'Dad'.

A massive low under the low bar of AFL 'journalism'.

Looked to me like Jude was just holding back from cracking up laughing. Just.
They all reckons it’s hilarious. Why stop the fun?

 

[Devington]

Looked to me like Jude was just holding back from cracking up laughing. Just.
They all reckons it’s hilarious. Why stop the fun?

They all like to take the s**t out of him. I have no idea if he's aware of it, or cares about it. Considering he abandoned a law career and asked mummy and daddy to get him this job he may very well be AOK with it as long as it means he can live his dream.

It's all pretty funny, but kinda sad and disconcerting too. The man is on the autism spectrum and some of their behaviour amounts to bullying at times.

 

[the flying ham]

Sounded crazy maybe. She was still just recommending people wash their hands. Fairly tame in my books.
Darcy would be the first to snitch if someone broke a rule but whinges about advice on a radio broadcast. Get a grip LD.

'Duck and dont touch that ball.' Very crazy

 

[hilly]

'Duck and dont touch that ball.' Very crazy

Do you want her taken to the centre of town and pelted with tomatoes?

 

[the flying ham]

Do you want her taken to the centre of town and pelted with tomatoes?

No.

 

[Mcarcherey]

Everyone would have taken Tilthorpe after JUH. Clearly the top picks. They overlooked everyone for Tilthorpe and we would have too.
After that was when tough choices were really made as things evened out a lot and teams had to make some tougher calls.

Never heard of tilthorpe as part of the clear to 2 picks until now....

My recollection was Phillips was clear number 1 until about a quarter of the way through 2020 and then JUH was all the rage, thilthorpe never really on the conversation.

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[DunderHead]

Never heard of tilthorpe as part of the clear to 2 picks until now....

My recollection was Phillips was clear number 1 until about a quarter of the way through 2020 and then JUH was all the rage, thilthorpe never really on the conversation.

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Phillips was never no. 1.

JUH was always touted as the best player 12+ months out. It was always assumed that Crows would take Thilthorpe. But it was also rumoured they also considered McDonald and Holland.

Thats why everyone was shocked when we picked neither Holland nor McDonald.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Has anyone read the Michael Warner book about the boys’ club? I saw RoCo talking about it - sounds like it goes into a lot of detail but probably no big surprises.

 

[Psicosis]

Phillips was never no. 1.

JUH was always touted as the best player 12+ months out. It was always assumed that Crows would take Thilthorpe. But it was also rumoured they also considered McDonald and Holland.

Thats why everyone was shocked when we picked neither Holland nor McDonald.

JUH was the Horne/Daicos (clear standout) of 2020.

It was always a bit unclear who would go pick 2 a year out. Phillips was the best midfielder, Hollands was a matter of “whether or not” he could make it as midfielder before doing his ACL & Thilthorpe was thereabouts. Logan wasn’t considered a top 10 prospect.

It’s similar to this year tbh, you could throw a blanket over Sonsie, Roberts, Chesser, Sinn, Johnson etc. as to who gets picked first after Horne/Daicos.

 

[Gumble Frankieton]

Has anyone read the Michael Warner book about the boys’ club? I saw RoCo talking about it - sounds like it goes into a lot of detail but probably no big surprises.

Might be worth a read:

 

[SonofSamsquanch]

Might be worth a read:

Has anybody seen it or heard of any of the skulduggery and corruption the book is supposed to expose?

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Has anybody seen it or heard of any of the skulduggery and corruption the book is supposed to expose?

Connolly mentioned the Dees tanking, the WADA saga, the salary cap cheating, the conflicts of interest, and the jobs for mates magically resurrected after a short time away for misdemeanours of various kinds (like Trigg, Lethlean).

 

[Sphynx]

Has anybody seen it or heard of any of the skulduggery and corruption the book is supposed to expose?

There’s an extract from the book regarding the Eagles. Drug saga coverup that’s fairly interesting.

Redirect Notice

 

[leighlee13]

paywalled

AFL 2021: Mark Robinson says St Kilda must address Brad Hill and Dan Hannebery issues
Brad Hill and Dan Hannebery have become costly problems for St Kilda, who Mark Robinson says will be “embarrassed” by its recruiting mess.

Mark Robinson

The two major problem children at St Kilda — where there are many, many problems — are Dan Hannebery and Brad Hill.
It’s not all about the money, but it can’t be ignored that together they earn in the vicinity of $1.6 million, which is 10 per cent of the club’s 2021 salary cap. It’s horribly out of whack compared to performance.

One player, Hannebery, cannot make it on the park, while the other, Hill, can’t find the ball on the park.

Hannebery is back training after his recent calf complaints — an injury that has seen him play 13 of possible 50 games at the Saints — and fingers crossed he gets a run at it.

If the calf collapses again, you might as well write off this season.

And if that happens, the Saints should make a deal with Hannebery and cut him loose.

It hasn’t worked. His four-year deal, with a trigger for a fifth, has been a recruiting ‘mare and it can’t possibly continue to play out if Hannebery is in the stands.

A contract is a contract and injuries are injuries, but there’s also an element of fair’s fair.

Hannebery must sometimes feel embarrassed that he can’t earn his money and the Saints must feel embarrassed they committed so long and so much to him when there already were red flags before he signed.

Hannebery won’t play against his former team this weekend at the SCG. In fact, he hasn’t played a game this season.


Hill, meanwhile, hangs on to selection but remains the single biggest riddle in football.

He earns close to $900,000 a year.

What has happened to him?

He’s a three-time premiership player at Hawthorn and in 2017 was a best and fairest winner at the Dockers.

In that year, Hill averaged 24 disposals and 468m gained. This year he averages 17 disposals and 335m gained.

Last week, he was tagged out of the game by North Melbourne’s 24-gamer Bailey Scott.

Hill had six touches, the fewest amount in a game since his debut game against West Coast in 2012.


Hill’s slide from being a blitzkrieg runner and ball gatherer at Fremantle to being a pedestrian footballer looking for handouts at St Kilda is astonishing. And baffling.

Is it possible he can’t fit into St Kilda’s game style or its environment?

Is it his fault?

Or his teammates?

How is Brett Ratten coaching him compared to Ross Lyon?

Oddly, Ratten has publicly pondered several times why his players won’t give Hill the ball.

In August, 2020, he said: “Maybe if we give it to him a bit more, when he’s free and out in the open, got five, 10, 20 metres on his opponent. here’s times there where he should get the ball and we (coaches) scratch our heads saying ‘why won’t we give it to him?’’

And this last week after the North Melbourne game. “Even towards the end there, how doesn’t he receive a handball going inside 50 (when) he’s in the right spot?

“They’re some of the things I was talking about, not doing the predictable thing for your teammate. And then everyone says ‘Hilly only had six touches’ but he should have got it four times with handball receives but we didn’t give it to him.’’

So, why aren’t players giving him the ball, as per Ratten’s instructions?

More to consider is why, last week at least, did Hill’s teammates not chop him out when he was getting terrorised by Scott?

Ratten complained after the game about unsportsmanlike tagging actions from Scott.

Footy’s about catching and killing your own, so maybe Ratten should’ve complained about Hill’s teammates. Where were the blocks, elbows and bumps to give Hill space? Scott should’ve come off the ground black and blue from St Kilda’s unsportsmanlike behaviour.

Am sure the likes of Hodge Mitchell, Lewis, Roughead and Burgoyne wouldn’t have allowed Hill to be terrorised so easily when at Hawthorn. Nor would Lyon have allowed it to happen at the Dockers.

Of course, the team can help the player, but the player must also help himself and help the team.

Ratten constantly supports Hill. Last week it was about Hill tried to make two-on-ones and his role in team defence.

It’s nice a coach does that, but you don’t pay someone $900K to fill defensive holes.

Hill would be stressed. He would ask himself: Why aren’t they giving me the ball? Have they lost trust in me? Most of all, am I doing everything I can as a footballer?

There’s working hard and then there’s really working hard.

Is he fit enough?

Is he content, at 27, with three flags and B & F and a fat bank balance?

Was it the wrong move to leave family and friends in Perth?

Is he a leader or a passenger?

Really, only Hill can answer those questions.

All the while, St Kilda’s season is in tatters. Vulnerabilities and insecurities have plagued performance and Hill, the big-money recruit, is a mirror to all that.

Hannebery is a different problem.

Mick Malthouse said on the ABC in 2018, before St Kilda signed Hannebery: “No (I don’t think he’s the type of player St Kilda should target). Not at all. His body’s gone. He’s an old 27-year-old. He would be one of the last players I’d pick.’’

Last week, Malthouse wrote in the Herald Sun: “Dan Hannebery, 30, has been a disaster. He arrived injured from Sydney and apart from last season’s eight games, he has remained injured.

“It’s beyond me why St Kilda’s medical and football admin staff would think that they could do better with Hannebery than the Swans’ medicos?’’

Malthouse was and is spot on.

In trade terms, Hannebery has been a bust and, at the price, Hill has been a half bust. And they were decisions the big-spending Saints could ill afford to get wrong.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Mark Robinson says.............

 

[Its a Process]

AFL 2021: Mark Robinson says St Kilda must address Brad Hill and Dan Hannebery issues
Brad Hill and Dan Hannebery have become costly problems for St Kilda, who Mark Robinson says will be “embarrassed” by its recruiting mess.

Mark Robinson

The two major problem children at St Kilda — where there are many, many problems — are Dan Hannebery and Brad Hill.
It’s not all about the money, but it can’t be ignored that together they earn in the vicinity of $1.6 million, which is 10 per cent of the club’s 2021 salary cap. It’s horribly out of whack compared to performance.

One player, Hannebery, cannot make it on the park, while the other, Hill, can’t find the ball on the park.

Hannebery is back training after his recent calf complaints — an injury that has seen him play 13 of possible 50 games at the Saints — and fingers crossed he gets a run at it.

If the calf collapses again, you might as well write off this season.

And if that happens, the Saints should make a deal with Hannebery and cut him loose.

It hasn’t worked. His four-year deal, with a trigger for a fifth, has been a recruiting ‘mare and it can’t possibly continue to play out if Hannebery is in the stands.

A contract is a contract and injuries are injuries, but there’s also an element of fair’s fair.

Hannebery must sometimes feel embarrassed that he can’t earn his money and the Saints must feel embarrassed they committed so long and so much to him when there already were red flags before he signed.

Hannebery won’t play against his former team this weekend at the SCG. In fact, he hasn’t played a game this season.


Hill, meanwhile, hangs on to selection but remains the single biggest riddle in football.

He earns close to $900,000 a year.

What has happened to him?

He’s a three-time premiership player at Hawthorn and in 2017 was a best and fairest winner at the Dockers.

In that year, Hill averaged 24 disposals and 468m gained. This year he averages 17 disposals and 335m gained.

Last week, he was tagged out of the game by North Melbourne’s 24-gamer Bailey Scott.

Hill had six touches, the fewest amount in a game since his debut game against West Coast in 2012.


Hill’s slide from being a blitzkrieg runner and ball gatherer at Fremantle to being a pedestrian footballer looking for handouts at St Kilda is astonishing. And baffling.

Is it possible he can’t fit into St Kilda’s game style or its environment?

Is it his fault?

Or his teammates?

How is Brett Ratten coaching him compared to Ross Lyon?

Oddly, Ratten has publicly pondered several times why his players won’t give Hill the ball.

In August, 2020, he said: “Maybe if we give it to him a bit more, when he’s free and out in the open, got five, 10, 20 metres on his opponent. here’s times there where he should get the ball and we (coaches) scratch our heads saying ‘why won’t we give it to him?’’

And this last week after the North Melbourne game. “Even towards the end there, how doesn’t he receive a handball going inside 50 (when) he’s in the right spot?

“They’re some of the things I was talking about, not doing the predictable thing for your teammate. And then everyone says ‘Hilly only had six touches’ but he should have got it four times with handball receives but we didn’t give it to him.’’

So, why aren’t players giving him the ball, as per Ratten’s instructions?

More to consider is why, last week at least, did Hill’s teammates not chop him out when he was getting terrorised by Scott?

Ratten complained after the game about unsportsmanlike tagging actions from Scott.

Footy’s about catching and killing your own, so maybe Ratten should’ve complained about Hill’s teammates. Where were the blocks, elbows and bumps to give Hill space? Scott should’ve come off the ground black and blue from St Kilda’s unsportsmanlike behaviour.

Am sure the likes of Hodge Mitchell, Lewis, Roughead and Burgoyne wouldn’t have allowed Hill to be terrorised so easily when at Hawthorn. Nor would Lyon have allowed it to happen at the Dockers.

Of course, the team can help the player, but the player must also help himself and help the team.

Ratten constantly supports Hill. Last week it was about Hill tried to make two-on-ones and his role in team defence.

It’s nice a coach does that, but you don’t pay someone $900K to fill defensive holes.

Hill would be stressed. He would ask himself: Why aren’t they giving me the ball? Have they lost trust in me? Most of all, am I doing everything I can as a footballer?

There’s working hard and then there’s really working hard.

Is he fit enough?

Is he content, at 27, with three flags and B & F and a fat bank balance?

Was it the wrong move to leave family and friends in Perth?

Is he a leader or a passenger?

Really, only Hill can answer those questions.

All the while, St Kilda’s season is in tatters. Vulnerabilities and insecurities have plagued performance and Hill, the big-money recruit, is a mirror to all that.

Hannebery is a different problem.

Mick Malthouse said on the ABC in 2018, before St Kilda signed Hannebery: “No (I don’t think he’s the type of player St Kilda should target). Not at all. His body’s gone. He’s an old 27-year-old. He would be one of the last players I’d pick.’’

Last week, Malthouse wrote in the Herald Sun: “Dan Hannebery, 30, has been a disaster. He arrived injured from Sydney and apart from last season’s eight games, he has remained injured.

“It’s beyond me why St Kilda’s medical and football admin staff would think that they could do better with Hannebery than the Swans’ medicos?’’

Malthouse was and is spot on.

In trade terms, Hannebery has been a bust and, at the price, Hill has been a half bust. And they were decisions the big-spending Saints could ill afford to get wrong.

God we dodged a bullet not getting Gubby in. Just a trail of full salary caps with over paid elderly “stars” and bad culture follows him.

 

[Colbys Boots]

Has anyone read the Michael Warner book about the boys’ club? I saw RoCo talking about it - sounds like it goes into a lot of detail but probably no big surprises.

I'm about a third of the way through and there are a great many surprises. I think it's the detail that creates the surprise - like, how unbelievably self serving and campaigner-y these two pricks really are. And how they have managed to keep out of jail.

 

[Colbys Boots]

Connolly mentioned the Dees tanking, the WADA saga, the salary cap cheating, the conflicts of interest, and the jobs for mates magically resurrected after a short time away for misdemeanours of various kinds (like Trigg, Lethlean).

Also, Peter de Rauch is openly a source for the book so there's a fair amount of North Melbourne insight.