Autopsy Round 13, 2021: St.Kilda v Adelaide

[Circus]

It wasn't a bump

If it wasn't a bump what was it and why does the AFL allege it was?

 

[George]

I will double down
He is selfish and should never play for stkilda again. He is an example of why we are where we are. List clogger who we should have made a call on two years ago.

ffs

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[Mowman]

Completely agree with you.
He is a huge talent. I would love to see him as part of a west coast eagles zone defence where he can fly for intercept marks.

Didn’t he and Clark just sign on for two years

 

[stavro#4]

Obviously really struggling when you find the only clip of anyone I’ve heard wanting a suspension. I could be as weak as you on your opinion that I could show 20 who say he shouldn’t get suspended but I’m confident in my own knowledge that he was playing the ball. What’s your reasoning why so many think he is playing the ball and please don’t give me crap these guys are living in the 80’s because I can assure you they want suspensions for bumps that hurt players.

I don’t care for Kings opinion. The video was to show you the wide angle of McKay’s starting point.

the issue with this entire play is that he comes from a position that is so far back he isn’t winning the football.

he doesn’t deviate his course when he is half way through his run. He accelerates and goes for the body.

people can say he went for the ball. The footage shows he was never going to get to it first. So why has he committed to contact at that speed and why isn’t that contact a tackle?

 

[pluggeranddoc]

It would want to be a lot less $$$$
If Steele is 650 k Billings is 500 k

On the other hand compared to Hill at $800k Billings is easily worth $1mill

 

[stavro#4]

It wasn't a bump

It wasn’t a tackle. That’s clear in the footage. Which means whatever you classify it as, it was dangerous.

 

[stavro#4]

On the other hand compared to Hill at $800k Billings is easily worth $1mill

Billings currently on 750k. Both are s**t decisions.

 

[Noidenous]

It wasn’t a tackle. That’s clear in the footage. Which means whatever you classify it as, it was dangerous.

Less of a tackle than Butler's in the GWS game.

 

[#gosaintas]

For me the collision was a free kick and that's it. I don't reckon he lined him up.

 

[plugger66]

Billings currently on 750k. Both are sh*t decisions.

Less because they all lost 7% and it’s guess work anyway. Media people have good contacts but in the end it’s a bit of a guess. Until they publish wages which they shouldn’t it’s always going to be an educated guess.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

 

[Mowman]

Billings currently on 750k. Both are sh*t decisions.

So if north or Hawks offer enough for band one we also clear 750k of cap space ? Could have an early draft pick and have cap space for an established player

 

[stavro#4]

Less because they all lost 7% and it’s guess work anyway. Media people have good contacts but in the end it’s a bit of a guess. Until they publish wages which they shouldn’t it’s always going to be an educated guess.

Which means Hill is also on less but they are still just as far apart as they were before the 7% which is the point of the discussion

 

[stavro#4]

So if north or Hawks offer enough for band one we also clear 750k of cap space ? Could have an early draft pick and have cap space for an established player

Yes but the cap space would need to be used in 2022. So effectively.

22 + 23 first rounders for king.
Cap space for a free agent.

 

[plugger66]

Which means Hill is also on less but they are still just as far apart as they were before the 7% which is the point of the discussion

Nah the point was you telling us what he was on.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Pick 8 in the draft 47 games
2020 Best emerging player
2020 AFL players Association 22 under 22
2020 5th in the B&F
Club should give it away if they get rid of him
Maybe look at better development management at the club

OK - then its one of Coff or Highmore playing at Sandy and no extra draft picks.

Perhaps we could trade Highmore for Pick 45 instead.

 

[Circus]

Obviously really struggling when you find the only clip of anyone I’ve heard wanting a suspension. I could be as weak as you on your opinion that I could show 20 who say he shouldn’t get suspended but I’m confident in my own knowledge that he was playing the ball. What’s your reasoning why so many think he is playing the ball and please don’t give me crap these guys are living in the 80’s because I can assure you they want suspensions for bumps that hurt players.

but I’m confident in my own knowledge that he was playing the ball.

Wow, this stuff has moved from analysis to speculation to utter fantasy. It doesn't matter because the inevitable is happening and the game will move on and in only a couple of years we'll look back to this as the time that type of play became prohibited. I sincerely hope that Hunter Clark will still be playing football.

 

[stavro#4]

For me the collision was a free kick and that's it. I don't reckon he lined him up.

It’s not based on intent.

it’s the action and the wide angle shows just how far back he comes from whilst the ball runs away from him.

he doesn’t slow down, he doesn’t tackle. He makes contact with Clark’s body. That is dangerous and from that far back the duty in care should 1000000000% be on Mackay to not cause serious injury

 

[stavro#4]

Nah the point was you telling us what he was on.

Why would that be my point?

 

[Kain26Toad]

Yet he was always going for the ball. He wasn’t going in to the contest to run into the player. It was a simple football contest as nearly everyone in the media keep saying. Are they all wrong. And most who are saying it are advocates of the damage a bump does should mean suspension at the tribunal.

Incorrect, he wasn't ALWAYS going for the ball.
He was, until his last step.
In that split millisecond he changes from just going the ball to bracing for contact.
That changed everything. Both for McKay and Hunter.

 

[plugger66]

Wow, this stuff has moved from analysis to speculation to utter fantasy. It doesn't matter because the inevitable is happening and the game will move on and in only a couple of years we'll look back to this as the time that type of play became prohibited. I sincerely hope that Hunter Clark will still be playing football.

He has a broken jaw. Why wouldn’t he? It’s emotive though. Doubt we will ever stop 2 players going for ball. Well we can certainly hope not.

 

[KingsRansom]

OK - then its one of Coff or Highmore playing at Sandy and no extra draft picks.

Perhaps we could trade Highmore for Pick 45 instead.

There is no reason you can't play both players. Ill hazard a guess and say that all 3 of Wilkie, coffield and highmore will play together more often than not. I think coffield will be the more attacking of the 3, reckon that's why he was made to stand Brodie Smith on the weekend. To see how he went about it, because he can be the same. Fleet footed with a booming, pinpoint accurate kick.

 

[Mowman]

OK - then its one of Coff or Highmore playing at Sandy and no extra draft picks.

Perhaps we could trade Highmore for Pick 45 instead.

Trading out a pick 8 20 year old to get a good draft pick doesn’t make much sense to me . Highmore has played 4 games and one good one and we should get rid of Coff

 

[stavro#4]

There is no reason you can't play both players. Ill hazard a guess and say that all 3 of Wilkie, coffield and highmore will play together more often than not. I think coffield will be the more attacking of the 3, reckon that's why he was made to stand Brodie Smith on the weekend. To see how he went about it, because he can be the same. Fleet footed with a booming, pinpoint accurate kick.

He certainly has gotten further forward in recent weeks. Maybe you are right.

 

[Kain26Toad]

Anyone surprised Tex's hit on Wilkie wasn't looked at? Was no accident.