official team for North

[Lonie_from_50]

I've already done the work, do your own... and lets face it, it's self evident to anyone that watches the game... or are O'Bree and Lockyer going to suddenly turn into superstars at the end of their career

Good, where is it?

And on top of it...O'Bree and Lockyer won't be superstars, yet everyone knows that. I won't repeat myself, go back and read what I have written in other posts.

 

[Firestorm]

I have actually been upset since yesterday when the O'Bree debate was started

It was never an O'Bree debate, it's was about the recruiting philosophy, O'Bree was just an example, I have nothing against him, he stood tall in the 02 GF, but that was then

Anyone who looked at our round 1 team and didn't feel a little deflated isn't being honest with themselves

Our current senior team isn't that much different from 02/03

Those players had a grand crack at it, don't get me started on unfair concessions

The current list isn't good enough and in my opinion we need a new more ruthless recruiting policy to fast track young kids

Doesn't anyone else see the way AFL football is going?

The average age of teams is dropping, players are younger and faster, we can wait around and just replace duds and retirees and play same olds that keep developing youth out of the side or we can become proactive and turn the list over fast and get the right mix

 

[Firestorm]

Here's the 2003 senior team from memory, does anyone see a problem? Take out Tarrant J Cloke Scotland Walker & Cole

Do you see it??? It's our current senior team minus a few!!!

Lockyer Presty Clement
R Shaw Wakes Lonie
O'Bree Buckley Woewodin
Johnson Rocca Didak
Holland Tarrant Davis

Fraser Licuria Burns

Lokan Scotland J Cloke Walker
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We've added T Cloke H Shaw Swan Thomas Pendles Maxwell in 4 years, at that rate these 6 will be to old when we get a decent team together

 

[Lonie_from_50]

Here's the 2003 senior team from memory, does anyone see a problem? Take out Tarrant J Cloke Scotland Walker & Cole

Do you see it??? It's our current senior team!!!

Lockyer Presty Clement
R Shaw Wakes Maxwell
O'Bree Buckley Lonie
Johnson Rocca Didak
Holland Tarrant Davis

Fraser Licuria Burns

Cole Scotland J Cloke Walker
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Yeah, and we have got plenty of youngsters on our list who can fill gaps when our players go, and also, once more, we came 5th this year, our list has got better according to the coach, so their is no reason we can be a suprise again this year (according to Mick...not me, I think we will finish just inside or outside the eight).

Anyway, I think we should just end the discussion as your recent post, (the one before the quoted one) pretty much suggests it.

Anyway,

back to the footy...and Fraser.

Well, he won't be playing forward all game remember, and another thing, the forecast I read said it was clearing after early patches of rain. It is getting dark outside my window now, very dark, so it looks like the clouds are here, and tomorrow's rain will be very limited.

Just a question on the Roos team. Hansen has been named forward, however they will have Archer/Pratt v Fraser, Firrito v Rocca and Petrie v Cloke...we have an edge, weather or no weather. Hansen I think will have to be forced back because of his height, and that will see a debutant on a player approaching the leagues top 50 (in Fraser).

Another thing...Aaron Edwards named emergency. With Hansen likely to play that role, do you think we will be exposed from a maybe Laidley plan. Collingwood to bring in someone for Wakelin (most likely) or O'Brien, but then the Roos to bring in Edwards, therefore a Wakelin may have been needed, with Hale and Brown also looking to control the forward line.

Another thing (again)...who will pick up Thomas and Campbell...will Heater be expected to play a defensive tagging role? Lockyer to take one of them, and then maybe even O'Brien to take the other. Speed is a key, yes, but Harry always keeps his feet and has improved over the pre-season once more. I think he may be used for this role, also for experience in the future. May become a vital stopper.

 

[Firestorm]

Heater has to go in the middle

 

[daics cousin]

Just remembered,obree plays his 150 game for the pies and medhurst plays his 100 game.
Hopefully they both put in a blinder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GO PIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Firestorm]

Yeah, and we have got plenty of youngsters on our list who can fill gaps when our players go

There you go again making my point for me, we just keep playing the 2003 team until they are all too old and our youngsters have no experience???

In fact look at our starting 18 from 2003

Lockyer Presty Clement
R Shaw Wakes Lonie
O'Bree Buckley Woewodin*
Johnson Rocca Didak
Holland Tarrant* Davis

Fraser Licuria Burns

Take out Woey and Tarrant and thats our current team... AFTER 4 YEARS!!!

 

[doppleganger]

There you go again making my point for me, we just keep playing the 2003 team until they are all too old and our youngsters have no experience???

In fact look at our starting 18 from 2003

Lockyer Presty Clement
R Shaw Wakes Lonie
O'Bree Buckley Woewodin*
Johnson Rocca Didak
Holland Tarrant* Davis

Fraser Licuria Burns

Take out Woey and Tarrant and thats our current team... AFTER 4 YEARS!!!

so the long and short of it is that u think that all players once they reach 27-28 should be shown the door, unless they are superstars like buckley

on that basis, burns, clement, rocca, presti, wakelin, holland, licca, lockyer, obree should all have been given the arse, with only buckley left as solitary leader, as he is the only player who would have been considered a superstar when he was 27-28

a couple of posters reckon that is ridiculous list management

end of argument

back to the rnd 1 team facing north

who will tag

wells, booma harvey, grant and c.jones???

these are the danger men for us i reckon

also who do people think will play on rocca??

 

[Firestorm]

so the long and short of it is that u think that all players once they reach 27-28 should be shown the door, unless they are superstars like buckley

on that basis, burns, clement, rocca, presti, wakelin, holland, licca, lockyer, obree should all have been given the arse, with only buckley left as solitary leader, as he is the only player who would have been considered a superstar when he was 27-28

You obviously didn't bother reading properly before shooting your mouth off, Burns Presty Clement Rocca Holland and Licca would be exempt for the reasons previously stated

 

[Lonie_from_50]

so the long and short of it is that u think that all players once they reach 27-28 should be shown the door, unless they are superstars like buckley

on that basis, burns, clement, rocca, presti, wakelin, holland, licca, lockyer, obree should all have been given the arse, with only buckley left as solitary leader, as he is the only player who would have been considered a superstar when he was 27-28

a couple of posters reckon that is ridiculous list management

end of argument

back to the rnd 1 team facing north

who will tag

wells, booma harvey, grant and c.jones???

these are the danger men for us i reckon

also who do people think will play on rocca??

Wells - Rhyce Shaw. If anyone is going to go with Wells, it would be Rhyce you would think. Has good tagging skills when required to 'tag', and has the speed and defensive skills to stop an attacking Wells.

Harvey - As always, we let Booma run a little loose. He has had good success against us for memory, but we haven't really payed close attention. Heath Shaw may be his man for the day, both playing a role where they play off the flank, but see each other in Roos attack. Both players to really have an impact maybe. Heater adds value by providing a link from defence and the midfield.

Grant - Well, Heath again, but I would think Lonie could be his man. Like a Shaw v Harvey match up, both running off each other. If Grant plays deeper in the forward line, then maybe Tarks, but with Campbell and Thomas, it is likely Grant will play up field a little more and send the ball inside 50.

Corey Jones - Will probably be forced to play at both ends during the game. Is a linking player who can play the Shaw style where he runs off his opponent. Dale Thomas may be his direct opponent in attack and Harry O'Brien or even James Clement in defence.

Rocca is probably too big for Firrito I think, so they are pretty much screwed if Watt doesn't come in, or Brown doesn't go back. Firrito gets players like Pavlich because he is a tidy defender who can chase the lead, has the strength, and similar height, however Rocca is taller, more stay at home, one on one, and very hard on the lead with his height and strength over Firrito. Watt or Brown, and if Laidley wants Hansen to be Dawson, feel free.

 

[doppleganger]

You obviously didn't bother reading properly before shooting your mouth off, Presty Clement Rocca Holland and Licca would be exempt for the reasons previously stated

none of them were superstars when they were 27-28

and none will be around for the next premiership according to ur obree theory, so get rid of them

 

[doppleganger]

Wells - Rhyce Shaw. If anyone is going to go with Wells, it would be Rhyce you would think. Has good tagging skills when required to 'tag', and has the speed and defensive skills to stop an attacking Wells.

Harvey - As always, we let Booma run a little loose. He has had good success against us for memory, but we haven't really payed close attention. Heath Shaw may be his man for the day, both playing a role where they play off the flank, but see each other in Roos attack. Both players to really have an impact maybe. Heater adds value by providing a link from defence and the midfield.

Grant - Well, Heath again, but I would think Lonie could be his man. Like a Shaw v Harvey match up, both running off each other. If Grant plays deeper in the forward line, then maybe Tarks, but with Campbell and Thomas, it is likely Grant will play up field a little more and send the ball inside 50.

Corey Jones - Will probably be forced to play at both ends during the game. Is a linking player who can play the Shaw style where he runs off his opponent. Dale Thomas may be his direct opponent in attack and Harry O'Brien or even James Clement in defence.

Rocca is probably too big for Firrito I think, so they are pretty much screwed if Watt doesn't come in, or Brown doesn't go back. Firrito gets players like Pavlich because he is a tidy defender who can chase the lead, has the strength, and similar height, however Rocca is taller, more stay at home, one on one, and very hard on the lead with his height and strength over Firrito. Watt or Brown, and if Laidley wants Hansen to be Dawson, feel free.

reckon should go

racer v wells
like ur heater v booma match up
lonie to take c.jones when forward
clement to blanket shagger

petrie may get rocca
watt may get cloke
hansen may be forced to go to fraser

 

[Firestorm]

none of them were superstars when they were 27-28

and none will be around for the next premiership according to ur obree theory, so get rid of them

What? which team were you watching? maybe you could make a case for Holland but the others were bona fide stars

 

[Lonie_from_50]

reckon should go

racer v wells
like ur heater v booma match up
lonie to take c.jones when forward
clement to blanket shagger

petrie may get rocca
watt may get cloke
hansen may be forced to go to fraser

Sounds better

I think Petrie is more valuable playing up the field though, so Trav would be his man. I think it is more and more likely that Watt will have to come in, because Brown will be forced to play forward. Watt and Rocca seems the best then. As for Fraser, well, you are right, with Hansen forced to go back, and we would expect that, but I might think Firrito will start on one of the three.

 

[Lonie_from_50]

What? which team were you watching?

Get over it...It was over an hour ago...onto the game tomorrow...we have ruined this thread enough

 

[doppleganger]

Sounds better

I think Petrie is more valuable playing up the field though, so Trav would be his man. I think it is more and more likely that Watt will have to come in, because Brown will be forced to play forward. Watt and Rocca seems the best then. As for Fraser, well, you are right, with Hansen forced to go back, and we would expect that, but I might think Firrito will start on one of the three.

hope firrito picks one of them up!!

 

[Firestorm]

Get over it...It was over an hour ago...onto the game tomorrow...we have ruined this thread enough

Just answering your posts, maybe you need to get over it

And what do you mean "we" white man?

 

[doppleganger]

A ruthless club would trade off the Lockyers and O'Brees while they still have some currency, this accomplishes 2 things, you pick up a few 2nd/3rd round kids and also your current kids are fast tracked instead of languishing at Willy

Need to get tougher, I know we'd like to think of the club as a family but the reality these days is it's a business... and you need to be ruthless

post 16 in the thread

Same old same old, I cant help feeling that playing the likes of Lockyer etc instead of trading them off during the offseason constantly derails the youth we need to develop

post 14 in the thread

Jeez of all the recruits Toovey has looked the worst, completely out of his depth in the praccy matches

How does he make emergency?

post 23 in the thread

Just answering your posts, maybe you need to get over it

And what do you mean "we" white man?

yeah, harsh on lonie

u derailed the thread on the first page when u started with ur should have traded players mantra

and then you actually have a go at a youngster in toovey also!!

perhaps u just have players u dont like, and like to bang on about them!

 

[Carnthe]

petrie on rocca
firrito on cloke
moran/hansen on fraser

 

[Nesian]

yeah seriously can we move on to the bloody team tomorrow ffs, ur annoying firestorm, start a new thread if ur so bloody concerned about it.

To the team: yeah pretty much agree with those match up doppleganger, seem accurate enough

 

[Firestorm]

yeah seriously can we move on to the bloody team tomorrow ffs, ur annoying firestorm, start a new thread if ur so bloody concerned about it.

I'd finished, but it seems you want to continue it so you start the thread pal

 

[Firestorm]

and then you actually have a go at a youngster in toovey also!!

perhaps u just have players u dont like, and like to bang on about them!

Not at all, Wellingham has earnt the right before Toovey, ask anyone that has seen Toovey in praccy matches, he has looked shocking, further to that why do we need another HBF when we are developing a great kid in O'Brien? we need mids/wingers ect D1ck and Wellingham should be fast tracked, happy to see Nicholls given a go... but Toovey???

 

[doppleganger]

Not at all, Wellingham has earnt the right before Toovey, ask anyone that has seen Toovey in praccy matches, he has looked shocking, further to that why do we need another HBF when we are developing a great kid in O'Brien? we need mids/wingers ect D1ck and Wellingham should be fast tracked, happy to see Nicholls given a go... but Toovey???

may have something to do with toovey impressing last year??

D1ck is very raw, think he needs a fair bit of time at willi to get used to senior footy

guess that is where we differ, i would rather have seasoned players playing in the ones, with raw recruits playing different roles at willi to see where they are best suited, and only getting games if they deserve it

i too wouldn't mind nicholls getting a go as the roos have a few of those nippy smalls who we need to stop

 

[MarkT]

A ruthless club would trade off the Lockyers and O'Brees while they still have some currency, this accomplishes 2 things, you pick up a few 2nd/3rd round kids and also your current kids are fast tracked instead of languishing at Willy

Need to get tougher, I know we'd like to think of the club as a family but the reality these days is it's a business... and you need to be ruthless

Been saying the same for a long time. Those types make the bar set at mediocrity in the long run.

 

[MarkT]

There you go again making my point for me, we just keep playing the 2003 team until they are all too old and our youngsters have no experience???

In fact look at our starting 18 from 2003

Lockyer Presty Clement
R Shaw Wakes Lonie
O'Bree Buckley Woewodin*
Johnson Rocca Didak
Holland Tarrant* Davis

Fraser Licuria Burns

Take out Woey and Tarrant and thats our current team... AFTER 4 YEARS!!!

****! That is amazing. If that isn’t the ultimate recipe for stagnation followed by downhill spiral I don’t know what is.