List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

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[70lethal]

I don't understand why people can care so little about finishing stone motherless last?

Does the disappointment of being worst not come close to the positiveness of winning a flag?

Maybe it's not the same, but the humiliation has to mean something.

1. Why would I feel humiliation over others performance?
2. Context is its a game and not (hopefully not) life and death. The fact we can enjoy the game says we got is so bloody good.
3. Someone has to take the spoon each year, it can't be avoided unless we get rid of premiership points
4. The club clearly stated going down was their strategic plan so I choose to embrace it
5. Currently we have beaten more top 8 sides than the pear
6. We are I believe the only side to beat Geelong and Melbourne
7. It's possible the 2 drafts we go down in we load up on local talent after missing out in 2018
8. Hamish is the king of bidding on kids tied to other teams so it's a bit ironic if we finished last in 2 years it's the 1sts years that no.1 get matched.
9. We become the only club to win a spoon and not get to take the pick 1 player, forever allowing us to say how the AFL has continuously screwed us over

 

[70lethal]

I reckon Simon Goodwin would have a completely different view on Levers positional value to that team.

All positions are important but there's a ranking of importance
Would Lever be has as good if it wasn't for May.
We saw how good Keath filled the role
If May goes down how exposed will Lever be?

 

[Murray2503]

Will be interesting if north keeps trying 100% to win
games the closer they get to missing out on pick 1.

 

[Doc_]

Can we get back to reality please. We wont be getting Horne. Who are the gun mids likely to be around pick 3?

 

[Brett Cummings]

Can we get back to reality please. We wont be getting Horne. Who are the gun mids likely to be around pick 3?

We are still a chance of finishing bottom. I don't think we will but it can still happen.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Yep. Brings out the real knuckle-dragger's of this board, of which there are plenty.

Usually the same people who spend 99% of their time berating the club for not having a winning mentality

If you don't think the AFC have embraced the idea of finishing as low as they can with their "injury management" and Thursday selections the past month you're thinking differently to many.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Plenty of superstars taken 2 or 3 up to 10. Few good number 1’s tracking ok - Rowell, Walsh.

If you’re talking deadset stars, most of them haven’t been no 1 or even no 2 picks. The odds are stacked pretty heavily on there being a future star sitting at the Crows early pick, whether it be 2, 3 or 4.

He’ll be there - trick is getting the right one.

Yep.. it was pointed out just yesterday that, regardless of the hype surrounding the number 1 draft pick, picks 2,3,4 and 5 normally end up being just as good if not a better player than the number 1 draft pick..

No point tanking for Horne..

1) its difficult looking at the draw seeing us ending up lower than both north and the hawks as it stands and,

2) Horne doesnt really seem that enthusiastic about playing for us anyway... seems from what hes said in the recent past he’d rather be at port if he had the choice.. so he must be a flog!!..

 

[GrommoT]

If you don't think the AFC have embraced the idea of finishing as low as they can with their "injury management" and Thursday selections the past month you're thinking differently to many.

As long as the Club can defend against any "Please explain." questions from ∀FL house I'll be happy.

 

[1970crow]

We could end up with 4 picks in top 30 if Melbourne slide out of the top 4.

can't see us using 4 picks. Think it'll be the bare minimum for us.

 

[Crow till I die]

can't see us using 4 picks. Think it'll be the bare minimum for us.

package up the Melbourne pick and the (assuming he goes for the sake of this example) crouch compo to get back into the 1st round if possible. Maybe end up with pick 2-4, a late 1st and an early 2nd. Great building blocks.

 

[1970crow]

Mate

Im with you, I dont want to finish bottom, I don't care who is available at pick 1.

I dont care about the humiliation either, my concern is you don't want to flirt with creating a losing environment and DNA.... it doesn't matter who you bring in it's hard to turn that around.

Ill rather get 2 more wins this year and have pick four, then go win less and likely end up with pick 2.



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I couldn't care less where we finish, it's just a ladder. What i care about is the process we undertake to get us back up the table and contending. The ladder looks after itself, I can't imagine how anyone could be happier finishing second bottom than bottom. So there was one team who had a worse year, how that can make anyone feel better than if there wasn't is beyond me.

It's binary to me. You're either a genuine top 4 contender or you're not. And if you're not, then you need to be making decisions to get back to being one. Finishing 8th whilst not being a genuine contender and not making the right decisions to become one is much worse than finishing 18th and being on the right path.

 

[1970crow]

Yup. I'm similar seeing there are three genuinely winnable games at home left.

If our draw was flipped, then it'd be a real possibility for a team that is skidding.

And our last 2 losses haven't been that bad taking into account quality of opponent. The idea that we somehow hobbled ourselves to lose to Brisbane at home and Essendon away by 10 goals is fantasy land stuff. Especially without our most productive forward for 6 of 8 quarters.

 

[1970crow]

package up the Melbourne pick and the (assuming he goes for the sake of this example) crouch compo to get back into the 1st round if possible. Maybe end up with pick 2-4, a late 1st and an early 2nd. Great building blocks.

Apologies if it's been asked and answered, if we had 3, what extra would it take to trade into 1? Is Horne the only franchise type, so it'd take 3 and another very low pick or is there a player not too far off him that getting another kid in the teens would be a better result. And before anyone responds with "nobody will yrade pick 1", you're wrong. If we offered our first 3 picks, next year's first plus a choice of any 2 players and we'll pay their salaries, pick 1 would be ours in seconds. Somewhere between a straight swap of 3 for 1 and the bullshit I just wrote is a line where pick 1 would be traded. But I reckon it largely relies on still being able to get a franchise type.

 

[Crow till I die]

And our last 2 losses haven't been that bad taking into account quality of opponent. The idea that we somehow hobbled ourselves to lose to Brisbane at home and Essendon away by 10 goals is fantasy land stuff. Especially without our most productive forward for 6 of 8 quarters.

+1 this.

We have a lot of tired kids playing in the side too. With West Coast's formline, I could see us beating them here this weekend and surely if that happens, any rumor or whatever of possible tanking blows right away

 

[JennyTalia]

Can we get back to reality please. We wont be getting Horne. Who are the gun mids likely to be around pick 3?

I'm a Roberts fan from the little I've seen and heard. His left foot looks elite and that is something our midfield definitely needs. He doesn't seem to have the explosive speed or overhead ability of Horne (draft watchers feel free to correct me) but I reckon we need prioritise classy users of the ball anyway.

 

[Shaz2012]

I don't understand why people can care so little about finishing stone motherless last?

Does the disappointment of being worst not come close to the positiveness of winning a flag?

Maybe it's not the same, but the humiliation has to mean something.

I’d rather we play every game like we did against Melbourne and our young guns absolutely kill it and we win all our remaining games and finish 9th.

But if we are just going to keep on keeping on, I’d rather finish with pick 1 and possibly steal another one through the PSD on top of that. I could give a **** about some non existent fear of finishing last. It really doesn’t change anything. What matters is how we build something and get out of the bottom. If we do it won’t matter how many spoons we got. If we don’t, it won’t matter that we only got 1.

 

[1970crow]

+1 this.

We have a lot of tired kids playing in the side too. With West Coast's formline, I could see us beating them here this weekend and surely if that happens, any rumor or whatever of possible tanking blows right away

Unfortunately this tanking stung is like Mackay, lives on forever. A recent post in here pondered whether Roos will continue trying to win if it looks like they'll miss pick 1. They just beat the Eagles and it doesn't stop the tanking talk. Every year, for some unknown reason, scores of nuffies label every loss of a bottom 6 side as a tank. As if we the first 15 rounds of getting beaten 3 out of 4 weeks was some kind of aberration.

Our supporters who think we tank must be thinking we're playing injured senior players because the coaches know they make us worse. Maybe the coaches told Sloane to dial up his TOG to 89%, genius tank strategy. If you're not finishing seasons of injured players 18 rounds in, then your focus remains on winning as many games as possible. It's just that simple.

 

[Crow till I die]

Apologies if it's been asked and answered, if we had 3, what extra would it take to trade into 1? Is Horne the only franchise type, so it'd take 3 and another very low pick or is there a player not too far off him that getting another kid in the teens would be a better result. And before anyone responds with "nobody will yrade pick 1", you're wrong. If we offered our first 3 picks, next year's first plus a choice of any 2 players and we'll pay their salaries, pick 1 would be ours in seconds. Somewhere between a straight swap of 3 for 1 and the bullshit I just wrote is a line where pick 1 would be traded. But I reckon it largely relies on still being able to get a franchise type.

To even tempt North you would think we would have to offer up this years and next years 1st rounder with pick 1 and maybe a later pick coming back..maybe. And then we won't have what could be a top 5 pick next year. I wouldn't do it personally. If we had 2 firsts this year, different story but I would not want to burn a potentially very high pick next year as part of a package deal

 

[Shaz2012]

To even tempt North you would think we would have to offer up this years and next years 1st rounder with pick 1 and maybe a later pick coming back..maybe. And then we won't have what could be a top 5 pick next year. I wouldn't do it personally. If we had 2 firsts this year, different story but I would not want to burn a potentially very high pick next year as part of a package deal

If we get pick 2, would you trade (some of) that into next year? I would.

I wonder if GWS would back themselves for next year. Trade their Pies pick 6 (say it ends up reasonably higher than 2) and their next years first for pick 2. Id love to do something like that again.

 

[Crow till I die]

If we get pick 2, would you trade (some of) that into next year? I would.

I wonder if GWS would back themselves for next year. Trade their Pies pick 6 (say it ends up reasonably higher than 2) and their next years first for pick 2. Id love to do something like that again.

I like your thought but they only did that deal with us to secure Tom Green AND another player in the same draft. If they traded say pick 6 and 2022 1st for our say pick 2, they are gambling on a specific player being gone by pick 6 that they would take at pick 2 say and they would really really really want that player to want to give up a 1st rounder next year. Very very unlikely

 

[Golumless]

can't see us using 4 picks. Think it'll be the bare minimum for us.

It's certainly possible, seeing we've added 20 players in the last two years, and could be due a breather of sorts. Though I suspect we'll end up taking 6-7 players. 4 ND, 2 R and potentially a switch of our Cat A rookies.

And our last 2 losses haven't been that bad taking into account quality of opponent. The idea that we somehow hobbled ourselves to lose to Brisbane at home and Essendon away by 10 goals is fantasy land stuff. Especially without our most productive forward for 6 of 8 quarters.

They're not crisis inducing losses. Though it certainly didn't help that our coaches panicked against Essendon which is probably the biggest negative of the past two weeks.

I couldn't care less where we finish, it's just a ladder. What i care about is the process we undertake to get us back up the table and contending. The ladder looks after itself, I can't imagine how anyone could be happier finishing second bottom than bottom. So there was one team who had a worse year, how that can make anyone feel better than if there wasn't is beyond me.

It's binary to me. You're either a genuine top 4 contender or you're not. And if you're not, then you need to be making decisions to get back to being one. Finishing 8th whilst not being a genuine contender and not making the right decisions to become one is much worse than finishing 18th and being on the right path.

I do at the moment, but that's more because I want to see this group pass the last major challenge this year possesses (win both games when we're the favourites to do so), and I'd rather not see the club put in a potential lose/lose to do so. A 7 win 15th/16th finish should be the goal from here in considering our percentage and the draw for Carlton/Gold Coast/Collingwood.

Do that, and we should have a very solid foundation for 2022.

 

[relapse]

If we get pick 2, would you trade (some of) that into next year? I would.

I wonder if GWS would back themselves for next year. Trade their Pies pick 6 (say it ends up reasonably higher than 2) and their next years first for pick 2. Id love to do something like that again.

History suggests that Pick 2 has a huge value attached to it.

I couldn't see any club giving up a pick as valuable as 2 for a mid first round pick and a speculative 2022 1st pick, it's most probably worth more than that.

 

[Shaz2012]

History suggests that Pick 2 has a huge value attached to it.

I couldn't see any club giving up a pick as valuable as 2 for a mid first round pick and a speculative 2022 1st pick, it's most probably worth more than that.

That’s true. But it’s actually Pick 4.., thanks again VFL.. so I guess it would be a matter of our club seeing not much difference in the players and another club thinking that the next Liam Stocker is going to be available and willing to pay overs to get him. I guess if every club sees the quality of the draft exactly the same then no deals would ever get done.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

If we lose to both Hawks and North in the run home that would be our only realistic chance of getting a look at Pick 1. (assuming North at least win 2 of their final 6 obviously).

Im all aboard the Horne train, sick of seeing gun SA kids go to other clubs.

 

[WetCrow1991]

I couldn't care less where we finish, it's just a ladder. What i care about is the process we undertake to get us back up the table and contending. The ladder looks after itself, I can't imagine how anyone could be happier finishing second bottom than bottom. So there was one team who had a worse year, how that can make anyone feel better than if there wasn't is beyond me.

It's binary to me. You're either a genuine top 4 contender or you're not. And if you're not, then you need to be making decisions to get back to being one. Finishing 8th whilst not being a genuine contender and not making the right decisions to become one is much worse than finishing 18th and being on the right path.

Exactly why we have only made 1 grand final since 1998. Years of self delusion about the quality of the list in combination with doing whatever it takes in down years to finish as high as possible.