Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach
- Thread starter Thetrader15
- Start date
- Tagged users None
- Status
So what? So because one team finished bottom one year and it turned out well for them over 10 years later it's a foolproof strategy?
Getting that one guy was the difference?
Had nothing to do with the rest of their picks, many of whom weren't top 5 who turned out really well?
Or savvy trading?
Or good culture and development over a long time?
No, I'm sure that one decision was the sole reason Richmond have been so successful.
I think the point is you need high end talent. Maybe you don't need pick 1. But you need to get those high end picks somehow. And given we are already looking like 2 of the best talents are not available, you'd want it to be as low as possible now.
Exactly. A decent club that finds there way to a spoon isn't going to automatically turn basket case. Those clubs won because they were already there. Our spoon and the one we didn't win this year would have been courtesy of very isolated circumstances. The sole purpose of our club is to put a list together and runs a selection strategy that maximises the chances of making the 8. We've still not strayed from that from that imperative.
- Jul 19, 2010
- 25,582
- 63,105
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
Couldn't disagree more. All you need is a group of bog average players that are good citizens, train hard, speak well, come from good families and can be drilled to run to specific places regardless of whether they win possession. If you add top level training form, continuity and exceed the set average games played minimum, then success is guaranteed. I doubt that I'd be the first to suggest that if you had a list full of David Mackays you'd be in a very good place indeed.
Unfirtunately, thise philosophies infest the club at its very core.
People forget those 1997/98 teams were jam packed with high talent. The team was literally dripping with top end, crazy levels of talent above graft.
Our plodders were Brett James & Clay Sampson, these were not low ability guys either
* knows where this obsession with character over talent came from.
Probably Angwin combined with a need for players that could learn Neil Craig's setups.
NC's side was chock full of talent too, but it started with Craig.
Fancy getting Vardy and Goodwin in the preseason draft.
Edwards as well.
Imagine having the luxury to free roam DJ. That's how good that team was in the midfield. Good to classy players on every line. Ellen was a depth player and he was no slouch. We just had a team full of class in those years. In 05 and 06 we had a great team but we lacked the class. The reality is the draft probably got us. This obsession to play for finals every year even though we clearly didn't have the team, rather then develop young guys hurt us. It was the culture back then though.
On SM-N981B using BigFooty.com mobile app
- Jul 19, 2010
- 25,582
- 63,105
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
I could hazard a guess where it came from.
PS - call BJ a plodder again and we’re gonna have to take it outside!
Back then? I don't think we have changed all that much.
There isn't anything wrong with that obsession as long as you develop young guys along the way. We lacked the balance and had a long history of flogging a dads army.
On SM-N981B using BigFooty.com mobile app
The problem with it is that it means you never plan for the future. Every game is 'got to win today'. Hence pick your most experienced team. When you do that, you fail to prepare and the result is mediocrity. It's a vicious circle.
I'm actually glad the club took the brave step of going backwards in order to go forwards. I just hope we have the nerve to see it through properly and don't immediately revert to type.
Did we deliberately take that step?
Or did we trip over ourselves because of all the mistakes we'd made and as we recovered found we'd accidentally taken the step?
I'd argue the latter and that we've done everything we can to backpedal as fast as possible.
Think it's always been there since we entered the afl. The only difference is we hired a coach that didn't take bullshit and strategically cleaned house with getting rid of a few senior players.
We had the class in 05/06, just not a coach who had a plan b.
Relatively speaking. He was a fine player, but an example of the lesser pure talent in that team
My point is, he was on the lower side of pure talent (not output or quality) in that side and he still didn’t lack for talent
When Brett James is an example of your more workman like talents, then you’ve got plenty of talent!
- Status
Similar threads
- Poll
