News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III - L6ckdown

[travelli]

I can't believe that people are blaming each other and the people in their own community.

It's happening. We gotta live our lives.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

yeah keep blaming the couple of 100 who caused all this, fu**en lol.

As a side note could anyone of you tell me why Macedon is deemed regional and Healesville isn't? Besides one is Labor and one Liberal, I'll let you extremely intelligent folk work out which is what.

Both about the same distance from the CBD. Dan is a campaigner and will not offend those who vote for him. Now I believe those developing parts of our State should only be given .5 of a vote. We'd soon clean up this mess and a leader with balls would shut down the sh*te suburbs that are causing this without fear of losing his job.

Again Healseville, Cockatoo, Emerald besides being Liberal, please explain why they differ from Macedon? Go on?

I don’t know if it’s related in any way, but when I heard people on the Mornington Peninsula up in arms lst week about why they were classed as metro Melbourne when places the same distance from the CBD are regional, I remembered hearing years ago that the region pushed very hard to be classified as part of Melbourne for better access to infrastructure and services. Might be something like that?

 

[Zondor]

No mate they planned to break the law, audio from the groom proves this. It means 70 people made a conscious decision to break the law. They got caught now they have to pay. The elephant in the room here is that they are allegedly Orthodox Jews, if this is the case then shame on them for forgetting their own history of pogroms and persecutions over thousands of years. They will know that their actions opens the door to terrible anti Semitic behaviour from the ignorant, ill informed and the right wing. What galls me is that Orthodox Jews as a rule do not support a two state solution for the Palestinians and label people who do, like me, as anti Semitic because we do. So my question to them is what makes me more anti Semitic condemning members of their community for violating lockdown laws or supporting a two state solution?

It was 69 people in attendance thank you very much. :stern look

 

[danj]

It was 69 people in attendance thank you very much. :stern look

Bingo....

 

[Hearts to hearts]

I can't believe that people are blaming each other and the people in their own community.

It's happening. We gotta live our lives.

We gotta follow the health advice and the rules set up around it.

 

[Lomas]

They deserve all the vitriol and shaming that is being levelled at them. No sympathy whatsoever here. Disgraceful and disgusting behaviour. fu** them. Our lives and livelihoods are being destroyed by these type of selfish campaigners. They laugh and mock on the video, it’s indefensible.

That group, yes. Don't condemn a wider group though. It's not a religious/cultural group issue, it's an a-hole issue. This type of behavior is not a culture war problem, it's an entitlement problem.

 

[Themanbun]

I'm not overly surprised by your comment truth be told. Both are the same distance away and Healseville is zoned regional in every instance except these lockdowns it's 100% political

Dan doesn't want to piss off his bread n butter support base and having a resident dill loving your posts doesn't improve your standing

Healesville is part of Yarra Ranges Council, an interface LGA comprising of urban and regional areas, but is part of the Metropolitan LGAs.

Macedon is part of Macedon Ranges, zoned explicitly rural.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just inflexible and un-nuanced decision making. Something like 70 per cent of that council's residents live in 3 per cent of its land mass.

 

[The acurate one]

I don’t know if it’s related in any way, but when I heard people on the Mornington Peninsula up in arms lst week about why they were classed as metro Melbourne when places the same distance from the CBD are regional, I remembered hearing years ago that the region pushed very hard to be classified as part of Melbourne for better access to infrastructure and services. Might be something like that?

The Peninsula is heavily populated hence why I'd never suggest Belgrave where I live is Regional. Those places I mentioned are like many a country town spread across our state.

Anyways I believe all of Vic should be in lockdown.

 

[Lomas]

No mate they planned to break the law, audio from the groom proves this. It means 70 people made a conscious decision to break the law. They got caught now they have to pay. The elephant in the room here is that they are allegedly Orthodox Jews, if this is the case then shame on them for forgetting their own history of pogroms and persecutions over thousands of years. They will know that their actions opens the door to terrible anti Semitic behaviour from the ignorant, ill informed and the right wing. What galls me is that Orthodox Jews as a rule do not support a two state solution for the Palestinians and label people who do, like me, as anti Semitic because we do. So my question to them is what makes me more anti Semitic condemning members of their community for violating lockdown laws or supporting a two state solution?

I don't believe they were thinking about a two state solution at all when they had this party. Or anything else. They are just arseholes who put their own wants before anyone else. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[danj]

I don't believe they were thinking about a two state solution at all when they had this party. Or anything else. They are just arseholes who put their own wants before anyone else. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hmmm may have missed my point

 

[Themanbun]

I don’t know if it’s related in any way, but when I heard people on the Mornington Peninsula up in arms lst week about why they were classed as metro Melbourne when places the same distance from the CBD are regional, I remembered hearing years ago that the region pushed very hard to be classified as part of Melbourne for better access to infrastructure and services. Might be something like that?

Bang on. I don't think this should be done by LGAs. If it helps anyone else feel robbed, I live one street away from the regional boundary, lol.

 

[The acurate one]

Healesville is part of Yarra Ranges Council, an interface LGA comprising of urban and regional areas, but is part of the Metropolitan LGAs.

Macedon is part of Macedon Ranges, zoned explicitly rural.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just inflexible and un-nuanced decision making. Something like 70 per cent of that councils residents live in 3 per cent of its land mass.

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Thanks for pointing out that to me as I only live here and didn't realise all of that, I'd suggest had the area been a labor stronghold they'd have adjusted is my point.

 

[Lomas]

I'm not overly surprised by your comment truth be told. Both are the same distance away and Healseville is zoned regional in every instance except these lockdowns it's 100% political

Dan doesn't want to piss off his bread n butter support base and having a resident dill loving your posts doesn't improve your standing

Healseville and the region produces a hell of a lot of wine and has large numbers of workers who commute from greater Melbourne to the wineries.

 

[The acurate one]

Healseville and the region produces a hell of a lot of wine and has large numbers of workers who commute from greater Melbourne to the wineries.

LOL, stop it !! They can bring in fresh ones from Asia, Oh the Feds do clean up the illegals out that way a fair bit.

 

[Themanbun]

Thanks for pointing out that to me as I only live here and didn't realise all of that, I'd suggest had the area been a labor stronghold they'd have adjusted is my point.

You compared it to an LGA that is still wholly classified as non-metropolitan. I explained the likely cause of this discrepancy.

There are two options:

(1) The government inflexible divided metropolitan and non-metropolitan by the already existing LGA boundaries...something that appears to map up perfectly to those LGA boundaries. (My suggestion).

(2) The government is orchestrating a conspiracy to lockdown the LNP voting residents of the Yarra Ranges during a time of high scrutiny and public angst. (Your suggestion).

Which do you think is more likely?

 

[Lomas]

Hmmm may have missed my point

I may have, if so I apologise. I would rather see the people who attended the party as the selfish shits they are than see it as representative of a whole community.

 

[Lomas]

LOL, stop it !! They can bring in fresh ones from Asia, Oh the Feds do clean up the illegals out that way a fair bit.

This confuses me, I know quite a few winemakers who commute to work in that area.

 

[7577969923]

I suspect they differ because their shire/council is interface and not explicitly regional/rural.

I don't agree with the approach and inconsistencies but I don't think it's a grand conspiracy to lockdown Liberal areas, they've been dealing with council classification for ages.

There are enough anomalies to suggest politics might play a role. Mornington is further from Melbourne than Geelong but is considered metro while Geelong is regional.

 

[Themanbun]

There are enough anomalies to suggest politics might play a role. Mornington is further from Melbourne than Geelong but is considered metro while Geelong is regional.

They have just used the already existing regional/metro LGA divide. Geelong is a regional LGA. Mornington is not. I posted the map up above and that map was applicable long before COVID hit (obviously with changes as the population demographics change).

As someone pointed out above, usually it's a positive to be included as 'metro'. Not anymore.

 

[The acurate one]

You compared it to an LGA that is still wholly classified as non-metropolitan. I explained the likely cause of this discrepancy.

There are two options:

(1) The government inflexible divided metropolitan and non-metropolitan by the already existing LGA boundaries...something that appears to map up perfectly to those LGA boundaries. (My suggestion).

(2) The government is orchestrating a conspiracy to lockdown the LNP voting residents of the Yarra Ranges during a time of high scrutiny and public angst. (Your suggestion).

Which do you think is more likely?

So you think they can't make boundaries that work for the masses? Wow no wonder I'm not a Dan fan, again the issues are near 100% associated with Labor held seats. You have suggested in the past it was to difficult to lockdown areas. I called that rot and still call it rot, If this virus is so bad you could do that easily.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

There are enough anomalies to suggest politics might play a role. Mornington is further from Melbourne than Geelong but is considered metro while Geelong is regional.

I literally just addressed the peninsulas. It’s not current politics, it’s historical decisions.

 

[The acurate one]

There are enough anomalies to suggest politics might play a role. Mornington is further from Melbourne than Geelong but is considered metro while Geelong is regional.

Of course it *en is

 

[Ligma]

 

[Themanbun]

So you think they can't make boundaries that work for the masses? Wow no wonder I'm not a Dan fan, again the issues are near 100% associated with Labor held seats. You have suggested in the past it was to difficult to lockdown areas. I called that rot and still call it rot, If this virus is so bad you could do that easily.

Across several posts I have said I don't agree with the inflexible approach of using existing LGAs. Just because I disagree with that approach, doesn't necessitate conspiracy.

 

[Lomas]

There are enough anomalies to suggest politics might play a role. Mornington is further from Melbourne than Geelong but is considered metro while Geelong is regional.

Geelong is classed as the same as metro under federal health assistance grants. They can't access primary health care grants, and specialist doctor training funding, because of it, even though Geelong services large rural populations. These aren't new 'political' divides.