Prediction Changes and pre match discussion vs Brisbane Lions R23.

[Smotie2]

Danger game.

Brisbane by 6568

Yep lose this and we need to win next week to stay in the finals race...oh wait

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

You know, someone who could hold their own in the ruck and at least compete with say 10 to 15 disposals across half a game.

Nobody expects him to be Dean Cox but you want him to get the equivalent of 20-30 possessions a game.

Right.

 

[bzparkes]

Hitouts to advantage are literally something of value.

Not if it doesn't lead to anything

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Not if it doesn't lead to anything

It leads to an advantage. Hence the name.

 

[bzparkes]

It leads to an advantage. Hence the name.

All it does it hit an intended teammates. Doesn't matter if they immediately get tackled.

Grundy's 63 hitouts to 4 vs Brisbane early in the year attest to how overrated a stat this is when you simply looks at the stats in isolation and not the actual hitouts to advantage in the game.

I'm an confident in saying that Vardy offers us little to nothing and with the fact that we struggle to run out games as it is, we'd be better served by having an extra runner in the side.

 

[Smotie2]

Nobody expects him to be Dean Cox but you want him to get the equivalent of 20-30 possessions a game.

Right.

Lol always the straw man arguments.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Lol always the straw man arguments.

What straw man? Those are your numbers, not mine.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

All it does it hit an intended teammates. Doesn't matter if they immediately get tackled.

Grundy's 63 hitouts to 4 vs Brisbane early in the year attest to how overrated a stat this is when you simply looks at the stats in isolation and not the actual hitouts to advantage in the game.

I'm an confident in saying that Vardy offers us little to nothing and with the fact that we struggle to run out games as it is, we'd be better served by having an extra runner in the side.

Ill see your Grundy 63 hitouts and raise you tonight’s game which the Bulldogs lost by 2 points, having chucked Mitch Hannan in the ruck and lost momentum every time. They use an actual ruckman and they’re hosting a prelim instead of hoping Brisbane don’t beat us so badly they knock them out of the top four.

I’m not saying I like Vardy in the team, I’ve had him in the outs most weeks including this week. But I think it’s disrespectful to say things like “he’s a statue”, “we could put an old man out there for the same impact”. He’s not doing much but he is at least providing a ruck contest and a few taps. Something we wouldn’t get from an old man or a statue.

 

[Smotie2]

What straw man? Those are your numbers, not mine.

Oh my apologies.

I had a few possessions out, since he's averaging 4-5 and 10-15 is clearly too many to expect how about we temper those expectations with say....6-8?

Is that low enough for you?

I mean it's not like we want our players to dominate or anything...I guess we expect too much of a seasoned veteran to not be the second worst player in the league.

 

[Smotie2]

Ill see your Grundy 63 hitouts and raise you tonight’s game which the Bulldogs lost by 2 points, having chucked Mitch Hannan in the ruck and lost momentum every time. They use an actual ruckman and they’re hosting a prelim instead of hoping Brisbane don’t beat us so badly they knock them out of the top four.

I’m not saying I like Vardy in the team, I’ve had him in the outs most weeks including this week. But I think it’s disrespectful to say things like “he’s a statue”, “we could put an old man out there for the same impact”. He’s not doing much but he is at least providing a ruck contest and a few taps. Something we wouldn’t get from an old man or a statue.

Well given Williams had the same impact as a contest and a few taps it would be more beneficial long term for Williams to keep playing instead of Vardy, you know because like natanui isn't getting any younger and he may be one of our future ruckmen to lead us.

I guess you expect Vardy to be our number 1 ruckman when natanui retires?
At least Vardy will get 10 possessions a game then right?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Oh my apologies.

I had a few possessions out, since he's averaging 4-5 and 10-15 is clearly too many to expect how about we temper those expectations with say....6-8?

Is that low enough for you?

I mean it's not like we want our players to dominate or anything...I guess we expect too much of a seasoned veteran to not be the second worst player in the league.

Second-lowest possessions per game automatically equals second worst player in the league?

Proving you’ve paid no attention to my argument at all.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Well given Williams had the same impact as a contest and a few taps it would be more beneficial long term for Williams to keep playing instead of Vardy, you know because like natanui isn't getting any younger and he may be one of our future ruckmen to lead us.

I guess you expect Vardy to be our number 1 ruckman when natanui retires?
At least Vardy will get 10 possessions a game then right?

* me now who’s going the strawman route?

I literally said

I’m not saying I like Vardy in the team, I’ve had him in the outs most weeks including this week.

But apparently there’s no middle ground between “he’s not a statue” and “you think he’s the next NicNat.”

Do us a favour, go take another four years off, will you?

 

[squashface]

Season 2021 has seen the return of E87 and Smotie plus WC suck.

Truely the darkest timeline.

 

[The_Gambler]

Well given Williams had the same impact as a contest and a few taps it would be more beneficial long term for Williams to keep playing instead of Vardy, you know because like natanui isn't getting any younger and he may be one of our future ruckmen to lead us.

I guess you expect Vardy to be our number 1 ruckman when natanui retires?
At least Vardy will get 10 possessions a game then right?

massive credit to you for persisting trying to justify to someone with the footy smarts of a Sesame Street character the limitations of vardy and why Williams should be preferred.

 

[The_Gambler]

Hes averaging 12 hitouts a game, that’s a more important metric than his possession numbers I’d have thought.

can someone red card this bloke, I’m not prepared to sit through more comments like this on a game day

 

[Trav22]

Second-lowest possessions per game automatically equals second worst player in the league?

Proving you’ve paid no attention to my argument at all.

pretty much, I don’t see how you can perceive this stat in any other way

I’m really struggling too see how your defending vardy in any shape or form atm, he’s useless!!

but I guess I’ll get the old standard Miguel response of “YoUr NoT GoOd At CoMPrHeNsIoN”

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I’m really struggling too see how your defending vardy in any shape or form atm, he’s useless!!

but I guess I’ll get the old standard Miguel response of “YoUr NoT GoOd At CoMPrHeNsIoN”

I literally said

I’m not saying I like Vardy in the team, I’ve had him in the outs most weeks including this week.

YoUr NoT GoOd At CoMPrHeNsIoN

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

massive credit to you for persisting trying to justify to someone with the footy smarts of a Sesame Street character the limitations of vardy and why Williams should be preferred.

Williams should be preferred, absolutely.

I’m defending Vardy from claims he’s the “worst player in the league”, “no better than a statue”, “no better than a random old man” etc.

But for posters incapable of perceiving nuance, that means I think he’s the next Polly Farmer.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Go Eagles today is the day to stand up

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Go Eagles today is the day to stand up

Living up to your username there, I’m afraid.

 

[WCErevival]

Go Eagles today is the day to stand up

Be prepared to be disappointed

 

[Trav22]

Williams should be preferred, absolutely.

I’m defending Vardy from claims he’s the “worst player in the league”, “no better than a statue”, “no better than a random old man” etc.

But for posters incapable of perceiving nuance, that means I think he’s the next Polly Farmer.

My apologies, should probably ready pre text before commenting!!
The passive aggressive comments are getting old tho!!

 

[WCE_phil]

My apologies, should probably ready pre text before commenting!!
The passive aggressive comments are getting old tho!!

So's masturbation but we still do it.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Actually looking forward to this game, lineup is a glimpse at our future.
Allen at FF, Hedwards CHB, Foley, Witho, LEdwards, JJ, Brander.

Really hoping they all show something.

 

[garlic munchers]

Go Eagles today is the day to stand up

No.

Time to lie down and shaft the F###ing bullies (let’s be honest, it’ll make the rogering we are going to get more palatable).

Don’t love Port supporters, but like their team plus they come from outside the evil empire.

F### the VFLman!!!!!!!

Off to see my son in the UGSFL semis.... so at least their is some joy in footy.