List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Younger mids should be the priority, no more old blokes

They're not mutually exclusive

 

[stavro#4]

lol, much defensive. He will have finished the season by the time he turns 30 is all. I can see why you and plugger fall into bickering holes

Not really sure of your point nor was I being defensive.

whether a player turns 30 in round 1 or on Christmas. He will still be 30 in his first year of a significant deal.

we aren’t seeing his best years. We are seeing what is most likely the Start of the decline at that point.

by all means, if we hypothetically sign Parker tell yourself we signed a 28 year old. If he doesn’t perform next year, tell yourself he is a 29 year old and has few more good years left. However the media will make sure to rub our noses in how we signed another over the hill swan on significant money who will be 30 in his first year at stkilda.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Its coaching as well , having a plan when things get pear shaped

The bloke sitting in the box is a bit limited in how much of the ball he can get.

Plans are great... not having the blokes who can carry them out is an issue.

 

[CaptainRisky]

So how old is Parker

 

[stavro#4]

For mine I’d want more of a reason to not bring in a genuine gun of the comp and club captain, who’s played in a premiership, who could help us win a flag in the next 3 years, and who wouldn’t cost us any picks (except maybe a compo pick).

Again I think we need to look to contend immediately (especially as there doesn’t seem to be a Brisbane/Geelong/Hawthorn/Richmond type dynasty team out there, for the time being) and waiting around for young guys to develop into hopefully being as good as Parker already is isn’t necessarily our best play. Especially with such a big chunk of our team in that 25-29yo age bracket next year and in the prime of their careers right now.

I also think it’s fraught with danger hoping that Crouch’s body holds up for long campaigns going forward, and both he and Jones have been found wanting against really good midfields this year, so for mine, if Parker is available and willing to sign f4 years- and passes a thorough medical- it would be a relative no-brainer.

It would give us options up the wazoo for rotating all the guys you mentioned and the others in the midfield through the middle, wings, HBF, HFF, inside 50 and on the bench.

Dunkley is a younger version of Parker who I would rather spend that type of coin on in 12 months.

Atleast he will hold currency we can reclaim if we trade him out in the event he doesn’t perform well enough. Parker would be dead weight that we can’t shift on our books.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

parker's a gun but would prefer to plan for the long term window. Adding parker alongside crouch/jones/hanners etc means for guys like Byrnes, Bytel, Sonsie (here's hopin), Clark, even Gresh getting a look into the midfield becomes that much harder. Either we back our talent/recruiters in or we go the short term fix.. prefer to back ourselves in and fail than grab parker and fail.

There's no reason why we can't do both.

Bid Spook & Seb farewell, sign Parker & lose that compo (is there anyone on here who wouldn't trade Dunstan & Ross for Parker straight up?), take our top pick to the draft, trade Battle for a 2nd & a 3rd, hope Mitchito and Windy make it outside the top 20 & we've added both A grade experience plus 3 young mids to develop and take over as Parker settles in for a permanent forward role in year 4.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Roughly what money are Ross and Dunstan on atm?

IIRC
Ross $650k +/-
Dunny $450k +/-

Call it a million for both.

 

[gringo2011]

Bytel last game 17 possessions (not enough), 8 tackles (I think) and 2 goals. Get two more possessions a qtr and that is an above average mid.

Thought after DMAC and Dunstans were written off in their 7th season, that you would be wary on writing off Clark after 4 seasons? make or break? Don't think so.

If a starting 22 mid is brought in, up to the likes of Bytel et al to break into the team. I only wanted to him to have a go at it like Byrnes has had. If he is not good enough, so be it, but he needs to be given the opportunity and last game showed really encouraging signs.

But as you rightly point out, he needs to lift his productivity and clearances. he was bumped off the ball a few times on Sunday so needs to put on a bit of bulk as well.

Dunny played his 6th season before being written off. Dmac is in his 6th this year. Was probably written off after 3 years but got games through injury and was a whipping boy when he did. He's never played more than 15 games in a season still.

 

[stavro#4]

There's no reason why we can't do both.

Bid Spook & Seb farewell, sign Parker & lose that compo (is there anyone on here who wouldn't trade Dunstan & Ross for Parker straight up?), take our top pick to the draft, trade Battle for a 2nd & a 3rd, hope Mitchito and Windy make it outside the top 20 & we've added both A grade experience plus 3 young mids to develop and take over as Parker settles in for a permanent forward role in year 4.

Because doing what you have said is effectively going to cost us

Ross Dunstan and Battle for Parker and 2 NGA kids that we will get without moving on Battle to accomodate.

signing Parker also takes out right out of the equation of next years free agents and there is a few at the pies I’d be keen on. Wouldn’t mind Miller at the Suns either.

AFL Out of Contract Players in 2022

List of AFL players coming out of contract at the end of 2022.

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[longlivelenny]

I agree that we definitely need to look for some more outside class/speed/skill/run, but hopefully that’s what we could get with our first pick in the draft.

I’m not sure there are too many who fit that bill floating around on the market from other clubs, and I’m sure we all remember how much we had to pay and give up for Hill, and he’s not even that good, so the draft is probably our best bet there, and as I said just before, getting Parker wouldn’t affect who we could draft, in any way.

It also looks very likely that Billings is staying, which I’m happy enough with.

But while we have plenty who can go inside, we’ve been monstered there too many times this year to think that we couldn’t do with Parker in a big way.

Especially as his addition could free up Steele and Gresh to play forward a lot more, which I think Ratts wants.

I’m also not sure we can really rely too much on Crouch long term, while Jones also has his body issues and so does Gresh.

To me, getting Parker this year, a gun with our first in the draft, our NGA guys, a guy like Talia for FB, and then Bing next year would be an awesome overall outcome and could put us in genuine contention from next season onwards.

Not having a go at you here but you mentioned something that annoys me about coaches and commentators.
Steele is a gun and clearly our best player as a midfielder. Everyone wants a dusty/danger clone who can dominate in the midfield then rest forward and turn games there too. Steele is not that person (nor are many others in the entire league).
Play Steele where he belongs (midfield) and find forwards who can be damaging when the ball is down there.

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[Klaatu]

Narkle is the 1 we need to target,Scott not a fan don't know why plays pretty good when i see him & Duncan back in means he misses out again he is ripe for the picking and at what 22 or 23 fits our profile.

 

[gringo2011]

For mine I’d want more of a reason to not bring in a genuine gun of the comp and club captain, who’s played in a premiership, who could help us win a flag in the next 3 years, and who wouldn’t cost us any picks (except maybe a compo pick).

Again I think we need to look to contend immediately (especially as there doesn’t seem to be a Brisbane/Geelong/Hawthorn/Richmond type dynasty team out there, for the time being) and waiting around for young guys to develop into hopefully being as good as Parker already is isn’t necessarily our best play. Especially with such a big chunk of our team in that 25-29yo age bracket next year and in the prime of their careers right now.

I also think it’s fraught with danger hoping that Crouch’s body holds up for long campaigns going forward, and both he and Jones have been found wanting against really good midfields this year, so for mine, if Parker is available and willing to sign f4 years- and passes a thorough medical- it would be a relative no-brainer.

It would give us options up the wazoo for rotating all the guys you mentioned and the others in the midfield through the middle, wings, HBF, HFF, inside 50 and on the bench.

I think the club has sold itself down a certain path by suggesting that we are contending next year. We really can't afford to step backwards. We are losing a lot of experience already and maybe three of our most experienced regular players.

 

[Klaatu]

Not having a go at you here but you mentioned something that annoys me about coaches and commentators.
Steele is a gun and clearly our best player as a midfielder. Everyone wants a dusty/danger clone who can dominate in the midfield then rest forward and turn games there too. Steele is not that person (nor are many others in the entire league).
Play Steele where he belongs (midfield) and find forwards who can be damaging when the ball is down there.

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Agree with these theories like Sinclare has found his spot down back so play him there supporters always trying to move players once they dominate their area.

 

[Yawkey way]

IIRC
Ross $650k +/-
Dunny $450k +/-

Call it a million for both.

I’d sign him assuming we keep billings and I’d also try to move up for Callaghan.

Parker is a great player with a better draw and a decent run with injuries I’ll go out on a limb and say we’re top 8 maybe top 4. I don’t know how many years Parker has left at this level of production but two then into the forward line would do me. I think he’d be a difference maker at the saints so it’s worth rolling the dice Imo.

We need to be playing finals not hanging around the bottom half, thanks seb, thanks Luke.

 

[stavro#4]

Unsigned midfielder set to move on from St Kilda

He won't be playing for St Kilda in 2022.

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Delisted free agent?

 

[stavro#4]

I’d sign him assuming we keep billings and I’d also try to move up for Callaghan.

Parker is a great player with a better draw and a decent run with injuries I’ll go out on a limb and say we’re top 8 maybe top 4. I don’t know how many years Parker has left at this level of production but two then into the forward line would do me. I think he’d be difference maker at the saints so it’s worth rolling the dice Imo.

We need to be playing finals not hanging around the bottom half, thanks seb, thanks Luke.

Callaghan is apparently going in the top 5. That’s a massive jump from where we are now and assets to burn to draft him.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

I think the club has sold itself down a certain path by suggesting that we are contending next year. We really can't afford to step backwards. We are losing a lot of experience already and maybe three of our most experienced regular players.

You’ve gone viral Gringo [emoji1303]

 

[Joffaboy]

You also have to realise getting Parker in free agency gets rid of any compensation we'd get from Ross and Dunstan. Meaning getting Windhager and Owens becomes harder

So lets trade with Sydney then. Will that do the trick?

 

[Klaatu]

Unsigned midfielder set to move on from St Kilda

He won't be playing for St Kilda in 2022.

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Delisted free agent?

No compo then

 

[BrutThough]

Unsigned midfielder set to move on from St Kilda

He won't be playing for St Kilda in 2022.

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Delisted free agent?

Wait, so we have delisted him and cost ourselves a compo pick we would have got from his unrestricted free agency status?

 

[Remboy]

So how old is Parker

Ten years younger than he’ll be in ten years.

 

[kernelT]

Unsigned midfielder set to move on from St Kilda

He won't be playing for St Kilda in 2022.

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Delisted free agent?

Surely not!?

 

[stavro#4]

Wait, so we have delisted him and cost ourselves a compo pick we would have got from his unrestricted free agency status?

It reads as his opinion which is surely ****ing wrong.

 

[Premium]

Unsigned midfielder set to move on from St Kilda

He won't be playing for St Kilda in 2022.

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Delisted free agent?

That is what it says , they never offered him a contract - so he is de-listed which means we get nothing for him - strange if its true.

 

[BrutThough]

It reads as his opinion which is surely ******* wrong.

It better be. Surely our list management team aren't that incompetent to not understand this.