List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

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Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

That’s what we all think will/ should happen.
Sam McClure is saying we are delisting him

Journo's not understanding how free agency works is soooo 2020.

I'm still getting over hearing how StK might trade their 1st pick for Brad Crouch if he decides to leave Adelaide.

Stop jumping at shadows kids... Lethers & Libba have it covered.

 

[Max the great]

Its coaching as well , having a plan when things get pear shaped

The only explanation that makes sense with our huge swings in form is coaching.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I don’t think it’s short. I think it’s 150-300k over.

That's my point... how does Parker knock us out of any free agent signings next year?

Besides, we'll be saving our coinage for Bing won't we?

 

[Sully111]

We've tried Sincs as a mid. He's way more effective in the role he is playing now. Why would we change it back?

I'm not saying we should definitely move him. I think it's worth looking at, that's all.

I think he's a much better player now, and i don't believe that just due to a positional change.

I understand the "if it aint broke" argument though

 

[CaptainRisky]

Or

Dont need Two more broken down crocs

 

[bergholt]

Just playing devils advocate.

if we told him he isn’t getting a new deal and that we delist him. He doesn’t need to sign with a club during free agency. Thus meaning he can be picked up as a delisted player ala McKernan last year for us.

Spot on, that's what will happen. Similar to when we signed Membrey. In that case he told Sydney he wouldn't re-sign so they may as well delist him sooner than later. A club who wants Dunstan should tell him the same thing and then just wait, otherwise they're just costing themselves potential dilution of their own free agent compo. It's not like there's big competition for his services.

 

[GeTrain]

So lets trade with Sydney then. Will that do the trick?

our first round pick would be the starting point

 

[stavro#4]

Dont need Two more broken down crocs



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I don’t think crouch is that bad. Talia is a concern. But is a huge upgrade if fit.

if they both passed a medical and cost nothing but cap. Surely that’s okay?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I'm not saying we should definitely move him. I think it's worth looking at, that's all.

I think he's a much better player now, and i don't believe that just due to a positional change.

I understand the "if it aint broke" argument though

Absolutely it is. Especially as Sincas is our best decision maker and best kick.

Having him regularly delivering the ball inside F50 would be ideal. We've got plenty of options at half back... especially if Coff rediscovers his form (& grows into a top liner) and Hunts continues to split time between the guts and HB.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I don’t think crouch is that bad. Talia is a concern. But is a huge upgrade if fit.

if they both passed a medical and cost nothing but cap. Surely that’s okay?

How could Crouch be out all year with a groin ? Talia had a bone spur in his foot , not a good thing to have for either

 

[Squirtles]

Unsigned midfielder set to move on from St Kilda

He won't be playing for St Kilda in 2022.

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Delisted free agent?

 

[stavro#4]

How could Crouch be out all year with a groin ? Talia had a bone spur in his foot , not a good thing to have for either

Over his career Crouch has been rather solid and not missed a great deal of football.
He is also a BnF winner and All Australian.

yeah his missed this year. But we don’t know how bad that groin is or if it was a case of I’m leaving and I’ll just take the year off and get myself cherry ripe for my new club.

Talia is an injury concern. But is a bonafide gun defender and we are lacking a genuine key back to go with Howard.

if both passed medicals. Why say no?

your talking substantial improvements on Carlisle/Frawley and Dunstan.

 

[The Jack]

I don’t think crouch is that bad. Talia is a concern. But is a huge upgrade if fit.

if they both passed a medical and cost nothing but cap. Surely that’s okay?

Hanner's passed his Medical.

 

[pebblesofsand]

So de-list Dunstan and Ross to get Parker and Chol (effectively a free agent compo swap)

Trade Billings for end of Round 1 compo (19)

Battle for around Pick 35.

Trade 9, 19 and next years 2nd for Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

.

35, 46 and 64 for NGA picks in the draft.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Unsigned midfielder set to move on from St Kilda

He won't be playing for St Kilda in 2022.

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Delisted free agent?

List team must be playing funny buggers under the table if this is true.
Someth'ns brewing..

 

[SaintSteele9]

List team must be playing funny buggers under the table if this is true.
Someth'ns brewing..

Some real smoke and shadows behind the windows

 

[Premium]

Dont need Two more broken down crocs



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Matt Crouch is 26 and is younger than Billings , he is already a All Australian and if not for this year has not missed to many games.
Over his career he has a average of 28 possessions a game which is incredible.
If he wants to join his brother no problems , makes up for losing Dunstan and is a upgrade.
Talia is another matter at nearly 30 I wouldn't be looking at him and hopefully we have learnt from Frawley.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Over his career Crouch has been rather solid and not missed a great deal of football.
He is also a BnF winner and All Australian.

yeah his missed this year. But we don’t know how bad that groin is or if it was a case of I’m leaving and I’ll just take the year off and get myself cherry ripe for my new club.

Talia is an injury concern. But is a bonafide gun defender and we are lacking a genuine key back to go with Howard.

if both passed medicals. Why say no?

your talking substantial improvements on Carlisle/Frawley and Dunstan.

I do agree , just hope they dont turn into Hanners and Frawley

 

[Bill Mohr]

This was only filmed Two months ago so I very much doubt he wants out

Yes, I think that seals that issue

 

[luca77]

Matt Crouch is 26 and is younger than Billings , he is already a All Australian and if not for this year has not missed to many games.
Over his career he has a average of 28 possessions a game which is incredible.
If he wants to join his brother no problems , makes up for losing Dunstan and is a upgrade.
Talia is another matter at nearly 30 I wouldn't be looking at him and hopefully we have learnt from Frawley.

If it was a considered decision to recruit Frawley, I don't see that they absolutely need to abandon that strategy just because it didn't work out once. We need backup for Doogs, and that's not going to come from the draft and be ready this year.
Don't forget the Hawks only expected Burgoyne to play for a year or 2.
Even if only 1 in 5 works out really well, doesn't mean you shouldn't keep having a crack.
Tried Frawley, didn't work out, let him retire, next.
I don't think list spots are at such a premium that you can't take the odd punt, as long as you don't keep flogging the same dead horse.

 

[Mowman]

If they make us a better side we should look at them

 

[Premium]

If it was a considered decision to recruit Frawley, I don't see that they absolutely need to abandon that strategy just because it didn't work out once. We need backup for Doogs, and that's not going to come from the draft and be ready this year.
Don't forget the Hawks only expected Burgoyne to play for a year or 2.
Even if only 1 in 5 works out really well, doesn't mean you shouldn't keep having a crack.
Tried Frawley, didn't work out, let him retire, next.
I don't think list spots are at such a premium that you can't take the odd punt, as long as you don't keep flogging the same dead horse.

We already saw from this year having Geary , McKernan , Roberton , Hannerbery , Frawley on the list made us basically 5 experienced players short - if we are keeping Geary , Hannerbery and Frawley who knows he might be staying , we will all ready have 3 players that will find it hard to get on the park.

 

[MightySaint]

OK, i'll bite, I hate the way Crouch plays, I believe a large number of his possessions are utterly useless and have little impact. He makes our slow'ish midfield infinitely slower, cannot play anywhere but the middle and takes away opportunities for Clark, Gresh, Bytel and Byrnes to run through there. Don't want, even on a free.

 

[luca77]

We already saw from this year having Geary , McKernan , Roberton , Hannerbery , Frawley on the list made us basically 5 experienced players short - if we are keeping Geary , Hannerbery and Frawley who knows he might be staying , we will all ready have 3 players that will find it hard to get on the park.

Come on, I doubt we keep Frawley AND pick up Talia. You think we'd do that?
McKernan gone, Roberton gone.
And we didn't fill our list spots, and were able to bring players in during the mid season draft. It's not like having those players hindered us. Not having a few of them did.

 

[Ducky Tie]

OK, i'll bite, I hate the way Crouch plays, I believe a large number of his possessions are utterly useless and have little impact. He makes our slow'ish midfield infinitely slower, cannot play anywhere but the middle and takes away opportunities for Clark, Gresh, Bytel and Byrnes to run through there. Don't want, even on a free.

Agreed. I'm a maybe/leaning yes to Parker. Strong no to Crouch.