List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[skittlebrew]

More like they didn't know how the process unfolded in any greater detail than half the posters in here. They thought they'd be availed of offers from other clubs. What the clearly didn't understand is that once a player goes down that path the offer they see isn't an offer, it's a playing contract that's been lodged with the AFL. Players have been sold the dream and are committed by that time and even matching won't change it.

I reckon a courtesy minimum contract would be worse. No contract whilst he explores FA value with us having matching opportunity is better than Lyonsing him.

I know the narrative around here is if they thought we would only get a second rounder for him we wouldn't of traded him, but I heavily disagree. They knew it was a distinct possibility but went down that path regardless. You don't push a player halfway out the door then reel him back in. It wasn't personal, brad was coming out of contract and we were rebuilding - simples.

 

[Mego Red]

We all saw how this book was read last year. If we have offered 2 - you bet a side will come in offer 4 at $550K and we will be lucky to get a 3rd round compo pick for what was our best pure mid - a previous all Australian mid. Oh and its not like he is 30 years of age - he is still mid 20's.

If that happens, it just makes us look like a total laughing stock

Why?

If that is the best offer in the marketplace for him, that's what he's worth.

The only question is whether we should pay it.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Is that why West Coast have done so well, their fantastic ruckman?

Wait, they're sh*t.

There's no evidence ruckmen are more important now. Other than Gawn, the other finalists have absolutely mediocre rucks. And Gawn is valuable because of everything he does as a tall.

Hangon .....have you seen the injury list to WC's midfield .....their 2 x A-grade mids have been injured all year

Nic Nat delivers to his midfield like no other ruckman ....nah you can't use him as a reason for West Coast's year

Gawn speaks for himself .....Grundy fell off the map in the last 8 games under Harvey, change of gameplan whereby COLL wern't using Grundy in field play as they had under Buckley

When I talk about increased importance of ruckmen .....I'm talking rucking and around the ground aerial support

 

[Crow till I die]

Why?

If that is the best offer in the marketplace for him, that's what he's worth.

The only question is whether we should pay it.

Thats my point, we are apparently lowballing meaning another team could steal in and get him on the cheap and we get stuff all in compo. Insane stuff

 

[Mego Red]

Cam Mooney is the most "average" 4 X premiership player in the last 1000 years of AFL.... Surely!
Good luck to him all the same but, just saying...

There's VERY VERY few examples of teams with makeshift forward lines winning flags.

Even Cam Mooney, who you mention, was an All Australian who kicked 60 odd goals when they won their first flag - and he had players such as Chapman and Stevie J.

Did he win 4 flags, though?

 

[Mego Red]

I know the narrative around here is if they thought we would only get a second rounder for him we wouldn't of traded him, but I heavily disagree. They knew it was a distinct possibility but went down that path regardless. You don't push a player halfway out the door then reel him back in. It wasn't personal, brad was coming out of contract and we were rebuilding - simples.

They certainly knew there was a MASSIVE likelihood we weren't getting first round compo.

 

[UcantCme]

Thats my point, we are apparently lowballing meaning another team could steal in and get him on the cheap and we get stuff all in compo. Insane stuff

That is a flawed theory

If we high ball him we can be stuck in over paying him

Our high-balling doesn't set the market benchmark for his worth, the .asked benchmark is set by several clubs fighting for his services because he is a healthy and elite player

What will impact his compo is the fact he didn't play in 2021 and the nature of his injury will be hard to assess moving forward, look at the continue issues StKilda has had with Hannebury

This talk of us offering Crouch $350k is BS IMO, his previous contract was around 650k a season, the current offer would be between $450-500k with incentives and on a shorter term

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[Mego Red]

Hangon .....have you seen the injury list to WC's midfield .....their 2 x A-grade mids have been injured all year

Nic Nat delivers to his midfield like no other ruckman ....nah you can't use him as a reason for West Coast's year

Gawn speaks for himself .....Grundy fell off the map in the last 8 games under Harvey, change of gameplan whereby COLL wern't using Grundy in field play as they had under Buckley

When I talk about increased importance of ruckmen .....I'm talking rucking and around the ground aerial support

I deleted that post because I was a bit sick of the argument.

But you've proven it - Nic Nat can have a good year or a bad year and it doesn't matter. The strength of their midfield is the only important thing.

And what you're arguing for is midfield support from the ruckman. Which is fine, if your midfield needs it.

 

[hey shorty]

Hangon .....have you seen the injury list to WC's midfield .....their 2 x A-grade mids have been injured all year

Nic Nat delivers to his midfield like no other ruckman ....nah you can't use him as a reason for West Coast's year

Gawn speaks for himself .....Grundy fell off the map in the last 8 games under Harvey, change of gameplan whereby COLL wern't using Grundy in field play as they had under Buckley

When I talk about increased importance of ruckmen .....I'm talking rucking and around the ground aerial support

You've proven the point we were trying to make.

Thanks.

 

[skittlebrew]

They certainly knew there was a MASSIVE likelihood we weren't getting first round compo.

Exactly mate. Only this board was surprised when it happened...

 

[Gtowncrow]

There's VERY VERY few examples of teams with makeshift forward lines winning flags.

Even Cam Mooney, who you mention, was an All Australian who kicked 60 odd goals when they won their first flag - and he had players such as Chapman and Stevie J.

Did he win 4 flags, though?

Only 3 flags. My mistake. Sorry.
His output over 11 years at Geelong was 1.4 goals per game but in 2007 this climbed to about 2.5.
The cats in 2007 I remember being a very strong team with I think only one loss after round 3. That loss was to port at home in rnd 22. They went on to win the grand final by that famous 119 points.
Mooney might have been AA that year but rarely has a full forward had the quality of players around him. He was a fan favourite because of his bustle but nobody here rated him as anything important to the dominance the team enjoyed during the cats time at the top.
Contentious issue I've raised and I'm surprised he has gained such a passionate response from the Adelaide board. Here in Gtown, people smile to remember him but to mention him amongst Geelong great players would get you laughed out of town.

 

[UcantCme]

Hangon .....have you seen the injury list to WC's midfield .....their 2 x A-grade mids have been injured all year

Nic Nat delivers to his midfield like no other ruckman ....nah you can't use him as a reason for West Coast's year

Gawn speaks for himself .....Grundy fell off the map in the last 8 games under Harvey, change of gameplan whereby COLL wern't using Grundy in field play as they had under Buckley

When I talk about increased importance of ruckmen .....I'm talking rucking and around the ground aerial support

Hiw does a ruckman role change in Harvey game plan?

A ruckman primary and most fundamental role is at the stoppages, Harvey's more open and attacking game plan doesn't fundamentally change Grundy role at the stoppages

Grundy has been frustrated with Collingwoods off-field leadership since last off-season in relationship to the treatment of Trelor, and Stephenson, and in particular to the club saying that the Senior Players did not want Trelor at the club

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[UcantCme]

In terms of ruckman.

It's always nice to have an elite ruck however I would never pay a ruck elite money like Grundy is earing

Reason is

History shows that teams can win flags without an elite ruck, this is usually the norm, not to the exception

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[George CantStandYa]

I deleted that post because I was a bit sick of the argument.

But you've proven it - Nic Nat can have a good year or a bad year and it doesn't matter. The strength of their midfield is the only important thing.

And what you're arguing for is midfield support from the ruckman. Which is fine, if your midfield needs it.

Who wins the last Port Bulldogs game if Lycett was playing for Bulldogs and Young for Port?

In terms of ruckman.

It's always nice to have an elite ruck however I would never pay a ruck elite money like Grundy is earing

Reason is

History shows that teams can win flags without an elite ruck, this is usually the norm, not to the exception

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The argument has morphed into needing an elite ruck when no one was making it. Mego Red suggested they were the least valued position on the ground and went and used the Bulldogs using Young as ruck to validate his opinion. I’d propose it counters his argument because against Port had Lycett played for the Bulldogs and Young for Port, the Bulldogs would be playing in the prelim already.

 

[Soggy2112]

General idea is we don’t need to chase a ruck with big $$$ because O’Brien/Strachan are perfectly adequate to be premiership ruckman. We do need to chase a gun midfielder or find one in the draft who can burst out of stoppages like Danger, Dusty, Stringer, or Bont or one with elite disposal like Macrae or Cerra

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hiw does a ruckman role change in Harvey game plan?

A ruckman primary and most fundamental role is at the stoppages, Harvey's more open and attacking game plan doesn't fundamentally change Grundy role at the stoppages

Grundy has been frustrated with Collingwoods off-field leadership since last off-season in relationship to the treatment of Trelor, and Stephenson, and in particular to the club saying that the Senior Players did not want Trelor at the club

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It did ....trust me

 

[UcantCme]

Who wins the last Port Bulldogs game if Lycett was playing for Bulldogs and Young for Port?

The argument has morphed into needing an elite ruck when no one was making it. Mego Red suggested they were the least valued position on the ground and went and used the Bulldogs using Young as ruck to validate his opinion. I’d propose it counters his argument because against Port had Lycett played for the Bulldogs and Young for Port, the Bulldogs would be playing in the prelim already.

I wasn't having an argument, or debate

I was just sharing my thoughts on the value of a ruckman

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[relapse]

They certainly knew there was a MASSIVE likelihood we weren't getting first round compo.

My gut feel is still that we worked with St Kilda to nut out a deal that we thought was going to get over the line for Band 1, but in typical fashion we got it wrong and it back fired.

 

[MRB37]

My gut feel is still that we worked with St Kilda to nut out a deal that we thought was going to get over the line for Band 1, but in typical fashion we got it wrong and it back fired.

I posted previously, from what I was told the AFL were involved a bit in making sure we didn't get Band 1 and shot down attempts we had made at working with the Saints on a trade involving other parts to get Brad's deal to that level.

 

[DJ75]

After the Strachan and Gollant signing (and I assume Panell on to rookie list?), where does this leave our list?

How many list spots are available?

 

[WetCrow1991]

Now to trade Jake 'Turnover Maestro' Kelly.

 

[Redline]

After the Strachan and Gollant signing (and I assume Panell on to rookie list?), where does this leave our list?

How many list spots are available?

Not sure on exact spots, I think we have seven players out of contract across the lists still.

Crouch, Kelly, Davis, O'Connor, Parnell, Borlace, Newchurch,

 

[Carmo]

After the Strachan and Gollant signing (and I assume Panell on to rookie list?), where does this leave our list?

How many list spots are available?

Two at least I reckon. Talia, Lynch and Mackay gone. Not sure if Parnell uses up one of their spots or not.

 

[DJ75]

Now to trade Jake 'Turnover Maestro' Kelly.

I think his nickname should be 'momentum killer'.

Whenever we are on a roll, he wants to slow the game down. Then he kicks sideways and turns it over, gifting an easy goal and killing momentum.

 

[Scorpus]

I posted previously, from what I was told the AFL were involved a bit in making sure we didn't get Band 1 and shot down attempts we had made at working with the Saints on a trade involving other parts to get Brad's deal to that level.

There was no way the AFL was ever giving us pick 2 compensation for Brad Crouch.

They literally don't care about rules which is why they write regulations with wiggle room for interpretation.

Giving us pick 2 for Crouch would have been a bad look for the game so it was never on the cards. Maybe if we had finished 10th and had pick 8 but that wasn't the case.