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Luke Jackson vs Tim English
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ImissFrosty
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Jackson easy.
What other 2nd year ruckman is best 22 for the ladder leaders and appearing in the bests a lot of the time.
English wasn't even doing anything special in the VFL at his age.
Plus I don't think it's a fair comparison, English is 23, Jackson is 19. Both vastly different players.
What other 2nd year ruckman is best 22 for the ladder leaders and appearing in the bests a lot of the time.
English wasn't even doing anything special in the VFL at his age.
Plus I don't think it's a fair comparison, English is 23, Jackson is 19. Both vastly different players.
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So first you say "Jackson easily"
Then you say it's not a fair comparison for Jackson because English is older, even though the question is "Who will end up the better player?"
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Recent history is absolutely filled with young rucks playing better when they have a more senior citizen with them.
I think you're forgetting that Jackson has had arguably the best ruckman of the last 5 years along side him in Max Gawn.
At the same age, Tim English had no starting ruck to play alongside. He had Tom Boyd and Jordan Roughead.
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English currently well ahead in marking ability, contested marking, marking inside forward 50 and kicking a goal.
Rucking ability is borderline even. Both averaging 26 ruck contests a game, Jackson wins more hit outs, English more to advantage.
Ground ball work Jackson ahead, averages more disposals (14 to 13) and that’s because he wins more ball on the ground in tight situations, getting a handball out winning a clearance.
Disposal efficiency Jackson 77% to English 74%. Kicking efficiency Jackson 70% to English 66%.
Defensive work Jackson ahead, get more tackles and pressure acts 13 to 7.
Being 4 years younger I think Jackson has more room to grow, I’ll pick him to end up the better player.
Rucking ability is borderline even. Both averaging 26 ruck contests a game, Jackson wins more hit outs, English more to advantage.
Ground ball work Jackson ahead, averages more disposals (14 to 13) and that’s because he wins more ball on the ground in tight situations, getting a handball out winning a clearance.
Disposal efficiency Jackson 77% to English 74%. Kicking efficiency Jackson 70% to English 66%.
Defensive work Jackson ahead, get more tackles and pressure acts 13 to 7.
Being 4 years younger I think Jackson has more room to grow, I’ll pick him to end up the better player.
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Think Luke Jackson's potential is higher. He'll get a nice lead in behind Gawn before he needs to take over number one ruck duties, like Nic Nat when he was behind Cox, which I think will be beneficial in the long term.
English's marking is his biggest asset and I have no doubt he'll be a star if he stays fit.
English's marking is his biggest asset and I have no doubt he'll be a star if he stays fit.
Jackson will end up far more dynamic/versatile IMO but far too early to tell who will end up better, he's going to have a far better time early on playing alongside Gawn than English had.
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Jacksons ceiling far exceeds that of English
But doesn't mean anything if he doesn't hit it
But doesn't mean anything if he doesn't hit it
Agreed. Or a utility. His marking behind the ball is elite and his ground ball game and skills are really good for a bloke his size. Also really good at creating that mismatch as a KPF - will be invaluable come-finals time if Naughton and Bruce are being well held.
The sort of player who will always need a first ruck in the team (hopefully Jordan Sweet develops) unfortunately. But I can see him being the best utility in the league. He is somewhat positionless in the way he plays, but going forward is where he is damaging.
I think English needs the tools around him to unleash his potential. If he has Naughton, Ugle-Hagan and a 1st ruck in the team, then the sky is the limit. The icing, instead of the cake I guess. His ability to create mismatches going forward as a 'third-tall' combined with his elite contested marking, aerobic capacity and athleticism makes him an opposition coach's nightmare. I can't see him really succeeding as a number 1 KPF as he would get bodied out too easily.Second best behind Nik Cox
My best player comp for English is an athletic McEvoy.
Such an interesting prospect (similar to Nik Cox). Really not sure where his career will take him. Could easily see him regarded as one of the MVP's of the competition in a few years, but like I said, he will be reliant on those around him for a while I reckon.
Luke Jackson for mine, going to be a gun from the glimpses I have seen, Tim English not convinced yet.
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Based on what? Being an objectively worse mark than English?
Stevens129
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You weren't convinced when he tore your team a new one in difficult conditions in Ballarat?
I would take Jackson myself.
Tim English I expect to have a very good career, but he only plays in the ruck because he is so tall. He will make impact more as a forward with stints around the ground where his marking and footskills will help.
He might be the player that goes back and takes defensive marks in tight games.
Jackson looks to have more natural aggression and seems like he will have much better ruck craft.
Tim English I expect to have a very good career, but he only plays in the ruck because he is so tall. He will make impact more as a forward with stints around the ground where his marking and footskills will help.
He might be the player that goes back and takes defensive marks in tight games.
Jackson looks to have more natural aggression and seems like he will have much better ruck craft.
00Stinger
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based on the fact that Luke Jackson has agility and movement that is rarely seen in big players. He can literally play ruck, key forward or as an extra on baller. Probably the reason why he was an Australian junior basketball. He is doing things that English has never done despite being 4 years older
But before you get your knickers in a knot, the higher talent ceiling doesn't mean that he will be the better player long term hence why I pointed that out in my original post
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Naturally it didn't occur to you that Tim English is a perfect example of one such player.
Sounds familiar... oh that's right, just like English.
English can actually play key-forward well too, unlike Jackson who cannot clunk marks yet.
Being a basketballer means you have a "far higher" ceiling now? lol, ok.
Ahem, I believe you said Jackson's ability "far exceeds" English, which I find hilarious. I suppose winning 9 games in a row gives supporters all kind of delusions.
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I'll have a crack!
I think Jackson has more potential than Timmy based on the fact there is little difference in their output, yet Jackson is only in his second season (while Timmy is in his fifth season).
Seems reasonable enough really.
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So you're re-iterating that guy's claim that "Jackson's ceiling FAR exceeds English's" based on early career form? Where not only is he more ready-made, but also has the luxury of piggybacking off Max Gawn, one of the best ruckmen in the competition. Yeah, ok
.Sean Darcy also produced significantly more output than English in his first two years, I doubt even Fremantle supporters would be as hilariously cocky to claim Darcy's ceiling "far exceeds English". How about Zac Smith from Gold Coast? He was meant to be the best ruckman in the AFL based on his first two years in the AFL, what happened there? Even when you take injuries into account, it's almost like early career form doesn't reflect a player's lifetime peak.
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The difference is, all the players you listed are crap.
Whereas Jackson's not only AFL standard already, he's best 22 in a Top 4 team.
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English due to his marking ability but Jackson seems he will be better on the ground.
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English is a mental midget
