List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[bergholt]

Neither they or their managers have said they are staying only media hype, until they sign on they are in limbo & still looking around, remember some sides are still playing.

Yeah but I'm sure everyone in the industry would know if they'd had serious offers, clearly they haven't so far

 

[Chef Ratts]

Jordan Dawson- anyone else keen on this guy? Would be a great fit..

Seems like he'll go home to SA or stay in Sydney.

 

[Joffaboy]

Both Ross and Billings are solid soldiers and with Billings he is probably a bit above that. We don't have a great amount of depth so losing three senior solid players was going to put us back a couple of years from playing finals again potentially as we waited for kids to develop. There is nothing wrong with them being in our best 10-20 players long term.....as long as they are paid in that bracket, not in our best 5. Both are adaptable players. Getting rid of players because you're disappointed that they aren't champions sounds like toddlers sh*t. If that was the criteria we'd only have one player.

I think I wrote the other day that a lot of Saints hights from the past 5 years have been popping up on my youtube feed.

I was amazed and surprised how much Billings figured from year to year, especially in vital moments.

Remember the Carlisle/Murphy match? That game Billings kicked 5 and got over 30 possessions and I could hardly remember him. He is so vanilla in his playing style.

He wont be Bont, but that is not his fault. It wasn't the best choice but considering they chose McCartin over Petracca it looks like genius in retrospect

Top 10 in his Draft
Tom Boyd
Josh Kelly
Jack Billings
Marcus Bontempelli
Kade Kolodjashnij
Matthew Scharenberg
James Aish
Luke McDonald
Christian Salem
Nathan Freeman

So we couldn't get Kelly and the only one arguably better than him in the top 10 is Bont.

The draft had Cripps, and Merrett at 13 and 26 so arguably from the first round only Crips and Bont have worked out better.

Still prefer either (although Carlton have run Cripps into the ground) but the Billings pick isn't as bad as people make out. Certainly not a bust by any means and fully fit makes the team better.

 

[Ducky Tie]

I like the look of him but he's a mid-size like Battle and we can't find a spot for him, not sure why it would be different for Dawson

Dawson is everything we want Battle to be (albeit a more back half of the ground type player). Tall, moves well, beautiful kick, can take a mark and is versatile. Importantly, he can consistently find the footy. Gets it over 20 times a week. I'd love to have him but I can't see it happening.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Dawson is everything we want Battle to be (albeit a more back half of the ground type player). Tall, moves well, beautiful kick, can take a mark and is versatile. Importantly, he can consistently find the footy. Gets it over 20 times a week. I'd love to have him but I can't see it happening.

So a poor mans Sharman?

 

[sobraz]

I think I wrote the other day that a lot of Saints hights from the past 5 years have been popping up on my youtube feed.

I was amazed and surprised how much Billings figured from year to year, especially in vital moments.

Remember the Carlisle/Murphy match? That game Billings kicked 5 and got over 30 possessions and I could hardly remember him. He is so vanilla in his playing style.

He wont be Bont, but that is not his fault. It wasn't the best choice but considering they chose McCartin over Petracca it looks like genius in retrospect

Top 10 in his Draft
Tom Boyd
Josh Kelly
Jack Billings
Marcus Bontempelli
Kade Kolodjashnij
Matthew Scharenberg
James Aish
Luke McDonald
Christian Salem
Nathan Freeman

So we couldn't get Kelly and the only one arguably better than him in the top 10 is Bont.

The draft had Cripps, and Merrett at 13 and 26 so arguably from the first round only Crips and Bont have worked out better.

Still prefer either (although Carlton have run Cripps into the ground) but the Billings pick isn't as bad as people make out. Certainly not a bust by any means and fully fit makes the team better.

Salem is a better footballer than Billings.


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[bennymc7]

Salem is a better footballer than Billings.


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Had a better year, sure... No way a better player imo, plays the easiest position on the ground vs a bloke who can have 25 every week playing half forward.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Salem is a better footballer than Billings.


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Its only been in the last 2 seasons that Salem has come good.

He was miles behind JB until then.


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[Veer Right]

Damn this club has form retaining players that hold on to the AFL lifeline like cling wrap. So i guess this means Geary, Ross and Billings are auto inclusions next year if fit while form won't factor into them being picked. Never going to win a flag this way.

Melbourne had the good sense to get Jones his 300 then boot him out the team into a sub role, probably as respect for his long service. Can't find a single other player for them being given games for being a good bloke.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

So a poor mans Sharman?

Max King is a poor man’s Sharman. Bit rough to compare everyone to the GOAT

 

[shlong]

Anyone else think JB should rotate through the middle, cant remember him even having a crack through?

 

[Veer Right]

Anyone else think JB should rotate through the middle, cant remember him even having a crack through?

Not strong enough which is why he plays outside and loose.

 

[Sully111]

I want to see what happens when the dust settles after trade period and the draft.

But i'm hoping next year we back in the young talent we've got.

It'll pay off in the long run and give us a better shot at a flag.

eg. Bytel got pushed off the ball a few times by Mundy against freo. Instead of dropping him the next week, point it out to him and challenge him, then throw him back at it the following week.

When it comes to selection, I hope Ratten isn't driven by ladder position to ensure he gets another contract.

Clark, Coffield, Ming, Byrnes, Bytel, Highmore etc ... that's our future.

If i see the likes of Geary and Ross in the side in round 1 under the banner of "selection integrity" i'll lose my ever-lovin' mind.

 

[SaintyMcSaintface]

Crazy to think how crap our list has been. No one jumping to take Ross, Billings or Dunstan off our hands. Thank goodness we've gone hard at the trade table bringing in solid players. Far out 2013-2019 were some lean years. Remember how we somehow managed to finish 9th and 11th in '16 and '17 and thought we were ready to push into finals?

I am now confident we are on track to be a long-term well-managed club. Whatever we do at this year's trade period, the club has my confidence.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Anyone else think JB should rotate through the middle, cant remember him even having a crack through?

I feel like a few years ago he was doing regular centre bounce work but it didn’t turn out great so we moved him back outside

 

[gringo2011]

I think I wrote the other day that a lot of Saints hights from the past 5 years have been popping up on my youtube feed.

I was amazed and surprised how much Billings figured from year to year, especially in vital moments.

Remember the Carlisle/Murphy match? That game Billings kicked 5 and got over 30 possessions and I could hardly remember him. He is so vanilla in his playing style.

He wont be Bont, but that is not his fault. It wasn't the best choice but considering they chose McCartin over Petracca it looks like genius in retrospect

Top 10 in his Draft
Tom Boyd
Josh Kelly
Jack Billings
Marcus Bontempelli
Kade Kolodjashnij
Matthew Scharenberg
James Aish
Luke McDonald
Christian Salem
Nathan Freeman

So we couldn't get Kelly and the only one arguably better than him in the top 10 is Bont.

The draft had Cripps, and Merrett at 13 and 26 so arguably from the first round only Crips and Bont have worked out better.

Still prefer either (although Carlton have run Cripps into the ground) but the Billings pick isn't as bad as people make out. Certainly not a bust by any means and fully fit makes the team better.

Salem has finally become a gun too but Jack definitely turned out okay compared to the three injury busts. Kade was a huge talent but his concussions ruined it for him, Schazza was the same and we all know about Freeman. Aish and Boyd were just not that good. McDonald has been a GOP or slightly above too but was FS.

Keeping Billings on a lesser wage with bonuses is ideal list management to me. Keeps him motivated and we lock away a good player who while he won't reach the highs of those champions he's a guy that will play to a high standard every week even if that high standard is a bit beige.

 

[gringo2011]

Dawson is everything we want Battle to be (albeit a more back half of the ground type player). Tall, moves well, beautiful kick, can take a mark and is versatile. Importantly, he can consistently find the footy. Gets it over 20 times a week. I'd love to have him but I can't see it happening.

Dawson is a much more adaptable player, he's tall but he can play just about any position. Probably best as a distributing back or wingman though. He's a potential future star. Battle is more a KP with running ability ideally played as a third tall at either end.

 

[gringo2011]

Had a better year, sure... No way a better player imo, plays the easiest position on the ground vs a bloke who can have 25 every week playing half forward.

Salem would be close to elite now. His ability to distribute the ball out of defence is incredible. He goes down and they are a much worse side. I'd have him as their most important player.

 

[gringo2011]

Not strong enough which is why he plays outside and loose.

Years ago I saw him at training playing against the mids and he looked like Dal, he was evasive and won his own ball over and over. I thought that was what they must have had planned for him but it never went anywhere.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Salem would be close to elite now. His ability to distribute the ball out of defence is incredible. He goes down and they are a much worse side. I'd have him as their most important player.

Gawn is their most important player. He’s like Paddy/Rowan to us. He goes down and they instantly cannot win the grand final. Their mids have probably grown lazy like ours being spoilt with good tap work, they likely don’t know how to actually win the ball on their own merit.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Crazy to think how crap our list has been. No one jumping to take Ross, Billings or Dunstan off our hands. Thank goodness we've gone hard at the trade table bringing in solid players. Far out 2013-2019 were some lean years. Remember how we somehow managed to finish 9th and 11th in '16 and '17 and thought we were ready to push into finals?

I am now confident we are on track to be a long-term well-managed club. Whatever we do at this year's trade period, the club has my confidence.

All thre are best 22 if good enough and great depth if not.
I have no probs keeping.

 

[gringo2011]

I want to see what happens when the dust settles after trade period and the draft.

But i'm hoping next year we back in the young talent we've got.

It'll pay off in the long run and give us a better shot at a flag.

eg. Bytel got pushed off the ball a few times by Mundy against freo. Instead of dropping him the next week, point it out to him and challenge him, then throw him back at it the following week.

When it comes to selection, I hope Ratten isn't driven by ladder position to ensure he gets another contract.

Clark, Coffield, Ming, Byrnes, Bytel, Highmore etc ... that's our future.

If i see the likes of Geary and Ross in the side in round 1 under the banner of "selection integrity" i'll lose my ever-lovin' mind.

I want finals. I think if Ratts doesn't make finals he's ****ed. We'd be on the phone to Clarko if we are looking like missing finals again.

 

[gringo2011]

Gawn is their most important player. He’s like Paddy/Rowan to us. He goes down and they instantly cannot win the grand final. Their mids have probably grown lazy like ours being spoilt with good tap work, they likely don’t know how to actually win the ball on their own merit.

Their mids can win their own ball so while not ideal they could probably still do it. Salem is their rebound.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

I want finals. I think if Ratts doesn't make finals he's f’ed. We'd be on the phone to Clarko if we are looking like missing finals again.

How close are Clarko and Ratts?
I doubt Clarko would Backdoor him and probably would not respect us for suggesting it.
I think we’re ****ed when it comes to Clarko.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

People think he's like some reincarnation of Fiora or something.
Jack is nowhere near as soft as people suggest.

Surely he did a pretty good contribution to the team getting across the line against west coast ( round 4 ) when he got 13 contested possessions.

Not sure if his role has changed, he won more contested ball and clearances in 2019, and tackled more as well.