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No, just no. Unlike Christians, atheists make no claim to moral superiority.Said no one ever. What a ridiculous strawman. Oh, and let me guess. The systematic murder of Christians at the hand of an atheistic government doesn't count, right? If only everyone were atheists! Oh, these silly wars would stop!
I've been pretty honest in this thread that my decision to cease being Catholic was emotional rather than reasoned. But that's not how one arrives at atheism; mere rejection of Catholicism makes one either a lapsed Catholic or an Agnostic. The step to atheism was taken after research, and looking at the various justifications in favour and against.
I'm wondering a few things here. You've been in this thread before, and your attitude was markedly different then. What's happened between now and then that's gotten you so deeply into the 'them vs us' paradigm?
Makes me a bit sad.
These are good to start with.
1. If God is omnipotent and omniscient - as in, he is all powerful and all knowing - how do we have free will, at all?
2. If God is good, why does evil exist?
3. If God is good, why does he allow evil to be done in his name? Why does he allow lies to be told in his name?
4. If any of the Bible is supposed to be God's word/commandments which he wants humans to follow, how can you reject any single commandment within the Bible?
Bear in mind, I've asked them before here, but the problem is that those who've attempted to answer them are extremely few in number, and they either couldn't answer or tried to answer theologically. And a theological answer to a logical question is somewhat doomed to fail.
I make the demarcation between what I should say is formal logic - reducing arguments down to argument structure to ensure that the arguments are sound, and if the premises are correct the conclusion cannot be avoided; we cannot be 'right' or 'correct', but we can at the very least approach the least 'not wrong' argument or interpretation possible - and theology.I find it interesting you demarcate between logic and theology like that. In Medieval philosophy, the logic of Aristotle was developed and used to talk about God by the academics of that time, which is where the Ontological Argument came from. Plato himself viewed logic (and hence, mathematics) as among the most valuable of the academic disciplines, as it allowed one to access a divine realm (the world of Forms). For a large period of human history, philosophers believed that logic could be utilised to understand and expand the theological doctrines, and vice versa. Those are theological questions, so they do require such an answer; I’m not sure what you mean by that last statement. Unless by “theological answer“ you mean “God did it”, in which case, that isn’t a theological answer at all.
Unfortunately, I can’t engage in these questions right now, as I’m too busy at the moment (work, learning etc), but I’ll get to them at a later date.
26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.
Said no one ever. What a ridiculous strawman. Oh, and let me guess. The systematic murder of Christians at the hand of an atheistic government doesn't count, right? If only everyone were atheists! Oh, these silly wars would stop!
Any kind? So, you'll agree that its immoral to judge me as being an ideological idiot because I'm a YEC? Are you listening Total Power? Don't judge me or my intelligence based on my beliefs. It's 'immoral', whatever that means.
Hahahaha, flying spaghetti monster. Ahaha, now THAT's funny.
Obviously don't come from a trade union background.Demarcation is a new word for my vocabulary. Thanks fellas.
Worse. Big pharma/the devil.Obviously don't come from a trade union background.
I think first and foremost, Christianity is trying to layout the pathway to God, so if they use local stories to help demonstrate that pathway, then that is consistent with the Christian & Jesus mission.
On this, I heard a Christian take on the Acknowledgement of Country the other day - incorporating respect for First Nation lands, culture, spirituality and with a little bit of Jesus thrown in. They are still at it.
Hahahaha, flying spaghetti monster. Ahaha, now THAT's funny.
I can definitely see how people might think that way. The only bit I took issue with was the "utmost to con people" line. In my experience the vast majority of the people in the Catholic hierarchy honestly believe in the mission.
We’re participating in the incredible story that is life on earth.
Where your thinking comes unstuck is you understand the awesomeness of life on this planet but you erroneously then jump to deciding that that awesomeness has to have “meaning”. Classic human ego. (Albeit, understandable, because we humans have evolved so far it’s natural to think we MUST be special. We’re not. We’re incredible, but we’re just bit players in this huge pageant called life.)
"Ultimately, faith is a choice.Not to sound condescending but I always thought the crowd of mockers here were dull, depressing, and uninspiring. You may disagree and say your life is all peachy and you're happy in life but the way you look at and live life itself (your mentality) doesn't agree.
In fact your mentality is the opposite to people who've made significant impact in this world.
Was it human ego when Nelson Mandela found purpose which saw him spend a good chunk of his life in prison?
You're not participating in anything of substance, that's the sad reality. You may be participating in living to your death but that's about it. You've removed the one thing that gives us humans drive to excel, "purpose", and downplayed it to the point that you've probably bought what you're selling.
It's sad to see people mock and disrespect the one true FSM, though it was foretold that unbelieving heathens would do so in the holy cookbook.What's funny about the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
I get that your experience with Christianity might have been constricting, but mainstream is moving more towards small c catholic, as in universal spirituality.Aren't all religions? but claiming to have a copyright on God and the 'Only' way to God like Christians in this thread have claimed? I have clearly given examples of other religions and quotes from Jesus borrowed from other religions, i tend to agree with you on this, Gnositcism preached the union of all religions but do tell if that sits well with Christians? it didn't and it still won/t
I get that your experience with Christianity might have been constricting, but mainstream is moving more towards small c catholic, as in universal spirituality.
You guys tend to target the faults in the literal interpretation in the Bible, but the obsession with the centuries old details is just a distraction.
It's this moderate, all encompassing, open church that is more interesting, as by being open to other religions and identifying the commonalities that the church it is absorbing them within itself.
Yes, if you read history, there is a purpose to con people.
It's sad to see people mock and disrespect the one true FSM, though it was foretold that unbelieving heathens would do so in the holy cookbook.
As a man of faith, I find the evidence irrefutable.All bow to His Noodliness. His Word may be found here. This Word is all the proof you need of the divinity of the FSM and that the invisible and undetectable Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe.
And remember.....
"Ultimately, faith is a choice.
One can choose to believe that nothing exists beyond the material realm, that the universe originated purely through physical processes that reflect nothing more than the articulation of the most basic properties of matter and energy — without cause, value or purpose.
Or one can view the universe itself as an animating spirit that binds together the souls of you and me and everyone else — perhaps everything else — that is or was or has ever been"
As a man of faith, I find the evidence irrefutable.
I'm off to boil some ramen now in honor of his noodly goodness.
Dubsy needs to pray harder.I was convinced of my church of flying spaghetti monster upon my first visit to Korea. And now you entice me to make a ramen at home while watching Geelong getting smashed lol.
Clearly "one man" is referring to Adam.
Christianity is nonsense; we share common dna with animals and we have found the common ancestor that links where we all come from. Can you see the resemblance.
If you read the whole chapter in 31 the man he is talking about was raised from the dead.