List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

George · Aug 24, 2021

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Jake Carlisle
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SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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triggering bro · Sep 11, 2021

Need to emulate the Dees 2019 draft. Jackson & Kosi are guns! Plus they nailed the Oliver & Petracca picks & traded in established gun defenders (May & Lever).

They also made some tough calls such as trading out Hogan to get May.

Our 2013/14 drafts were like Melbourne’s drafts from the first rebuild when they took Trengove, Scully (traitor) & Morton.

Hopefully the Max King draft is our Petracca/Oliver moment where we’ve turned it around.

We desperately need Clark to get to work this preseason. The coach should be having tough conversations with him about pulling his finger out. We shouldn’t be blaming the coach for not playing him in the midfield. Clark needs to own it & give the coach no other choice!

Also, no more stupid trades like Hill & Hanneberry. Jones & Higgins type trades yes please.

joydivision22 · Sep 11, 2021

RWB4life said:
Small chance but if gws don't rate Callaghan that much would they trade 2, and a future first for 9, our future first and picks like our future second and a pick for battle?

I doubt it but see them struggling next year and Callaghan could be an elite mid quickly.

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Think we should explore all options to get a hold of pick 2 including something like your suggestion. GWS are probably more interested in a KPP ?

I would be happy to trade 9, F2 (28-32) and Battle for pick 2 and F3.

Saint_Dos · Sep 11, 2021

joydivision22 said:
Think we should explore all options to get a hold of pick 2 including something like your suggestion. GWS are probably more interested in a KPP ?

I would be happy to trade 9, F2 (28-32) and Battle for pick 2 and F3.

Not really sure we even need the swap of futures. Battle on an open market would fetch a late 2nd/early 3rd rounder would he? Depending on how much someone needs him. Happy to add a swap of F3 and F4 to sweeten it.

Drop Kick · Sep 11, 2021

Just a reminder...
Saints Players off list end of 2020 -

Shane Savage, Nathan Brown, Logan Austin, Ryan Abbot, Ed Phillips, Matthew Parker, Nick Hind, Jack Bell, Jonathon Marsh, Doulton Langlands, Jack Mayo.
= 11 off.

Saints Players onto list for 2021

Brad Crouch, Jack Higgins, James Frawley, Shaun McKernan, Matt Allison, Mason Wood, Tom Highmore, Paul Hunter, Max Heath, Cooper Sharman = 10 on.

joydivision22 · Sep 11, 2021

Saint_Dos said:
Not really sure we even need the swap of futures. Battle on an open market would fetch a late 2nd/early 3rd rounder would he? Depending on how much someone needs him. Happy to add a swap of F3 and F4 to sweeten it.

Yeah maybe giving up a little much, clearly if we're approaching them the deal would need to be pretty compelling. The minimum I think we could get away with might be 9, Battle & F2 (28-32) for 2 & F2 (30-34)

pebblesofsand · Sep 11, 2021

Be nice if we were at least showing interest in either of these two. Essendon supposedly interested in Chol - they must be expecting a 62 man list next year.

Tiger talls to make call on future

Two Richmond key forwards and rucks could be poised to leave the club, upending the Tigers’ plans for rebuilding their premiership squad on the run.

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Saint_Dos · Sep 11, 2021

pebblesofsand said:
Be nice if we were at least showing interest in either of these two. Essendon supposedly interested in Chol - they must be expecting a 62 man list next year.

Tiger talls to make call on future

Two Richmond key forwards and rucks could be poised to leave the club, upending the Tigers’ plans for rebuilding their premiership squad on the run.

www.theage.com.au

Who isnt Essendon interested in!

But yeah would happily bring in either of those 2.

JediSaint · Sep 11, 2021

joydivision22 said:
Seen a few phantom drafts with a number of mids falling to 14 (16) which is the pick I would target. Sinn, Sonsie, Chessar, Rachele, Goater all been mentioned around 16 with Hobbs probably the exception consistently being touted as a top 6 selection. Ward might be a good one at our natural 9 (11) but looks pretty similar to those mentioned above. The second pick 18 (20) could be used on say Sam Butler or another slider, even that bolter Aleer (KPD) who looks ridiculous.

I get why people would want to hold onto the higher pick, but with the following drafts to be filled with kids missing a full two years of their development, they will be seriously hit and miss with an overall drop in quality I would think. As such, two shots in the top 20 this year to me would be a great result. (also prevents two teams from selecting one of our NGA's at that crucial point in the draft). Still would prefer to shoot for Callaghan though as I'd rather have 1 all round star than 2 good mids when we have a glut of the ordinary in there currently.

To get a second pick inside top 20 Billings would have to be picked up and possible Battle. 2 picks inside top 20 would be a great result.

Drop Kick · Sep 11, 2021

pebblesofsand said:
Be nice if we were at least showing interest in either of these two. Essendon supposedly interested in Chol - they must be expecting a 62 man list next year.

Tiger talls to make call on future

Two Richmond key forwards and rucks could be poised to leave the club, upending the Tigers’ plans for rebuilding their premiership squad on the run.

www.theage.com.au

Essendon already has 12 players 195cm or taller on their list, how many do they need. If anyone else that tall nominates Essendon then i hope they enjoy the VFL.

Saintsydney · Sep 11, 2021

Saint_Dos said:
Who isnt Essendon interested in!

But yeah would happily bring in either of those 2.

If we aren’t at least in the conversation I’m not sure what’s wrong with us

also need a KPD

The Boar · Sep 11, 2021

Monika72 said:
Smith had a good deal on the table by the Dees and said no I'm going to Geelong, who's laughing now.

Smith is! Living the rest of his life on a beautiful coastline and getting paid a fortune to kick a leather ball. There are more things to consider than a win-loss ratio

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Premium · Sep 11, 2021

Drop Kick said:
Essendon already has 12 players 195cm or taller on their list, how many do they need. If anyone else that tall nominates Essendon then i hope they enjoy the VFL.

They inquiry about anyone like most the teams, at least we do it a bit more discretely.
Having Billings and Ross still unsigned means they could be weighing what happens during trade period because they know most teams would be waiting if any salary cap openings happen to let teams fit them in.
A hell of a lot will depend on if one , both or none move on.

I feel this draft could be one of the strongest in depth for a long time , just the lack of games because of Covid 19 has most probably hidden the quality of a lot of players.

hayes · Sep 11, 2021

bird_man said:
I've been banging on about if for a while, but it isn't a coincidence we've used one top 40 pick on a mid in 6 years and we don't have an elite mid to go with Steele.

Top sides are stacked with good mids and they are normally found at the top end of the draft.

For the love of god, please use this years first on a genuine mid. And not a flanker that has potential to be a mid.

Sharman, Wilkie, Highmore etc are proof you can find gems in other areas but very rarely to you find an elite mid late in the draft.

My remote will go through the TV if we don’t use it on a midfielder. Hopefully watching the amount of quality mids in this grand final for both teams will finally inspire us to hit the draft hard for them.

Ephemeral Hope · Sep 11, 2021

hayes said:
My remote will go through the TV if we don’t use it on a midfielder. Hopefully watching the amount of quality mids in this grand final for both teams will finally inspire us to hit the draft hard for them.

Picture this. We pick a 48kg key forward project and then both Owens and windy get picked 19 and 20.

Saintbloke · Sep 11, 2021

triggering bro said:
Need to emulate the Dees 2019 draft. Jackson & Kosi are guns! Plus they nailed the Oliver & Petracca picks & traded in established gun defenders (May & Lever).

They also made some tough calls such as trading out Hogan to get May.

Our 2013/14 drafts were like Melbourne’s drafts from the first rebuild when they took Trengove, Scully (traitor) & Morton.

Hopefully the Max King draft is our Petracca/Oliver moment where we’ve turned it around.

We desperately need Clark to get to work this preseason. The coach should be having tough conversations with him about pulling his finger out. We shouldn’t be blaming the coach for not playing him in the midfield. Clark needs to own it & give the coach no other choice!

Also, no more stupid trades like Hill & Hanneberry. Jones & Higgins type trades yes please.

Clark really needs to step up in fitness and stamina over the off-season, otherwise he is wasting his skills.

gringo2011 · Sep 11, 2021

Ephemeral Hope said:
Picture this. We pick a 48kg key forward project and then both Owens and windy get picked 19 and 20.

Probably got our eye on a 145cm diabetic mature age HBF that we think we can turn into a ruckman.

gringo2011 · Sep 11, 2021

Saintbloke said:
Clark really needs to step up in fitness and stamina over the off-season, otherwise he is wasting his skills.

I hope any of them that don't turn up get left at Sandy, no guys selected on average form. We need to get some selection integrity.

Mowman · Sep 11, 2021

gringo2011 said:
I hope any of them that don't turn up get left at Sandy, no guys selected on average form. We need to get some selection integrity.

So much this

hayes · Sep 11, 2021

Saintbloke said:
Clark really needs to step up in fitness and stamina over the off-season, otherwise he is wasting his skills.

I liked his start to the year as a mid but of course when Crouch and Jones came back he got pushed out of there.

JediSaint · Sep 11, 2021

Premium said:
They inquiry about anyone like most the teams, at least we do it a bit more discretely.
Having Billings and Ross still unsigned means they could be weighing what happens during trade period because they know most teams would be waiting if any salary cap openings happen to let teams fit them in.
A hell of a lot will depend on if one , both or none move on.

I feel this draft could be one of the strongest in depth for a long time , just the lack of games because of Covid 19 has most probably hidden the quality of a lot of players.

Being one of the strongest in depth for sometime, if we don’t trade our players we will miss out on the party.

triggering bro · Sep 11, 2021

hayes said:
I liked his start to the year as a mid but of course when Crouch and Jones came back he got pushed out of there.

Not fit enough to run both ways. He even looks unfit. Needs to tighten up the rig over the off season.

Ephemeral Hope · Sep 11, 2021

hayes said:
I liked his start to the year as a mid but of course when Crouch and Jones came back he got pushed out of there.

Crouch isn’t doing anything special that Clark couldn’t do himself. All he does is consistently get the ball 25-35 times. If Clark can do that plus add 1-2 special evady highlight things Crouch’s spot is gettable. Jones is too dynamic and pacey for Clark to compete with.

Premium · Sep 11, 2021

Ephemeral Hope said:
Crouch isn’t doing anything special that Clark couldn’t do himself. All he does is consistently get the ball 25-35 times. If Clark can do that plus add 1-2 special evady highlight things Crouch’s spot is gettable. Jones is too dynamic and pacey for Clark to compete with.

Crouch doesn't get much recognition , we all know Steele is the most prolific tackler in the game however Crouch is not to far behind ranked 18th in the league and he averages 26.4 touches a game so Clark would have to more than just take a step up next season.
Crouch was not spectacular but his defensive part of his game has improved from his Crow days.
He has been a very good pick up and will be core to our midfield for a while yet and having Gresham back next year and hopefully Jones plays more than half a season Clark will get his rotations through the midfield and hopefully he shows he the player we have been wanting.
No doubt there will be injuries and he will get more than a chance , it's just a pity he only played basically half a season as well.

Crouch Season Highlights
● 28 disps (14 kicks 14 hballs), 5 marks and 4 tackles in Rd 23 58-pt win over Fremantle at Blundstone Arena (22 Aug 2021)
● 24 disps (15 kicks 9 hballs), 5 tackles and 2 goals in Rd 22 14-pt loss to Geelong at GMHBA Stadium (14 Aug 2021)
● 36 disps (21 kicks 15 hballs) and 9 tackles in Rd 18 13-pt loss to Port Adelaide at Marvel Stadium (17 Jul 2021)
● 25 disps (17 kicks 8 hballs), 5 marks and 7 tackles in Rd 15 40-pt win over Richmond at the MCG (25 Jun 2021)
● 36 disps (16 kicks 20 hballs), 6 tackles and a goal in Rd 13 6-pt loss to Adelaide at Cazaly's Stadium (12 Jun 2021)
● 38 disps (14 kicks 24 hballs), 5 marks and 7 tackles in Rd 12 9-pt loss to Sydney at the SCG (5 Jun 2021)
● 26 disps (14 kicks 12 hballs), 10 tackles and a goal in Rd 11 20-pt win over North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium (29 May 2021)
● 30 disps (11 kicks 19 hballs), 4 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in Rd 8 9-pt win over Gold Coast at Metricon Stadium (8 May 2021)
● 32 disps (13 kicks 19 hballs), 4 marks and 4 tackles in Rd 7 69-pt win over Hawthorn at Marvel Stadium (1 May 2021)
● 26 disps (13 kicks 13 hballs), 3 marks and 12 tackles in Rd 4 20-pt win over West Coast at Marvel Stadium (10 Apr 2021)

Diehard Saint · Sep 11, 2021

triggering bro said:
Not fit enough to run both ways. He even looks unfit. Needs to tighten up the rig over the off season.

Agree. Hope he comes back really hungry especially as he missed so much footy.

Ephemeral Hope · Sep 11, 2021

Premium said:
Crouch doesn't get much recognition , we all know Steele is the most prolific tackler in the game however Crouch is not to far behind ranked 18th in the league and he averages 26.4 touches a game so Clark would have to more than just take a step up next season.
Crouch was not spectacular but his defensive part of his game has improved from his Crow days.
He has been a very good pick up and will be core to our midfield for a while yet and having Gresham back next year and hopefully Jones plays more than half a season Clark will get his rotations through the midfield and hopefully he shows he the player we have been wanting.
No doubt there will be injuries and he will get more than a chance , it's just a pity he only played basically half a season as well.

Crouch Season Highlights
● 28 disps (14 kicks 14 hballs), 5 marks and 4 tackles in Rd 23 58-pt win over Fremantle at Blundstone Arena (22 Aug 2021)
● 24 disps (15 kicks 9 hballs), 5 tackles and 2 goals in Rd 22 14-pt loss to Geelong at GMHBA Stadium (14 Aug 2021)
● 36 disps (21 kicks 15 hballs) and 9 tackles in Rd 18 13-pt loss to Port Adelaide at Marvel Stadium (17 Jul 2021)
● 25 disps (17 kicks 8 hballs), 5 marks and 7 tackles in Rd 15 40-pt win over Richmond at the MCG (25 Jun 2021)
● 36 disps (16 kicks 20 hballs), 6 tackles and a goal in Rd 13 6-pt loss to Adelaide at Cazaly's Stadium (12 Jun 2021)
● 38 disps (14 kicks 24 hballs), 5 marks and 7 tackles in Rd 12 9-pt loss to Sydney at the SCG (5 Jun 2021)
● 26 disps (14 kicks 12 hballs), 10 tackles and a goal in Rd 11 20-pt win over North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium (29 May 2021)
● 30 disps (11 kicks 19 hballs), 4 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in Rd 8 9-pt win over Gold Coast at Metricon Stadium (8 May 2021)
● 32 disps (13 kicks 19 hballs), 4 marks and 4 tackles in Rd 7 69-pt win over Hawthorn at Marvel Stadium (1 May 2021)
● 26 disps (13 kicks 13 hballs), 3 marks and 12 tackles in Rd 4 20-pt win over West Coast at Marvel Stadium (10 Apr 2021)

But all Clark has to do to take Crouch is do what he’s already doing a lot better. The other mids do things he just can’t do. Like run fast or be dynamic

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