News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV

[danj]

"Every day we wait is another day wasted."


Woooo hoooo.

Matthew Guy.

Booze. Drugs. Wasted.

Why are you talking about me fer? Oh wait....

 

[year of the roo]

If the protesters were smart... they would do it NOT in the CBD...

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

If the protesters were smart... they would do it NOT in the CBD...

There’s the first hurdle....

 

[danj]

If the protesters were smart... they would do it NOT in the CBD...

Laughing at smart

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Get a load of this s**t:



My personal favourite:

‘Federal government laws always override state laws’

 

[Tas]

If the protesters were smart... they would do it NOT in the CBD...

I found the problem.

 

[B4Bear]

Get a load of this sh*t:

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My personal favourite:

‘Federal government laws always override state laws’

Hope they turn up, get rowdy, get pepper sprayed, get arrested and get gaoled.

 

[Lomas]

Get a load of this sh*t:

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My personal favourite:

‘Federal government laws always override state laws’

My personal favorite is when they give an example, then say ‘or anyone’.

 

[DesertRoo]

Can you prove that doctors have been threatened with losing licenses? At some point though, doctors that provide advice that is completely at odds with science and evangelise for snake oil or promote anti-vax propaganda should be subject to consequences subject to a transparent and fair process.

don’t take my word about it, but listen to Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy AM MB BS PhD DSc FRACP FRCP(A) RS(N) Foundation Professor Pathology, Medical School University Newcastle, Clinical Immunologist and (Previous) Head of the Newcastle Mucosal Immunology Group, with special interest in airways infection and vaccine development.

A Sad and Shameful Day for Australian Medicine - Quadrant Online

Surprisingly, the reasons given by the TGA for the decision forbidding physicians prescribing ivermectin isn't the usual 'unproven', this based on a highly dubious and incomplete survey of the literature. No, it is because widespread use of a cheap, off-patent treatment 'may interfere with the...

quadrant.org.au

 

[B4Bear]

don’t take my word about it, but listen to Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy AM MB BS PhD DSc FRACP FRCP(A) RS(N) Foundation Professor Pathology, Medical School University Newcastle, Clinical Immunologist and (Previous) Head of the Newcastle Mucosal Immunology Group, with special interest in airways infection and vaccine development.

A Sad and Shameful Day for Australian Medicine - Quadrant Online

Surprisingly, the reasons given by the TGA for the decision forbidding physicians prescribing ivermectin isn't the usual 'unproven', this based on a highly dubious and incomplete survey of the literature. No, it is because widespread use of a cheap, off-patent treatment 'may interfere with the...

quadrant.org.au

Sitting right along side this little anti-vaxxer pearler:

Trust the Science Almost Always - Quadrant Online

Another time, another scare, another vaccine, another plea to 'do the right thing' by having children inoculated against Swine flu in 2009. If that sounds familiar, consider one consequence which has received far less attention: the hundreds of lawsuits and payouts filed and awarded to those who...

quadrant.org.au

Using Quadrent as a source of information to convince people, especially old lefties like me, is a bold move.

They are anything but a neutral observer with no agenda to push.

 

[7577969923]

don’t take my word about it, but listen to Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy AM MB BS PhD DSc FRACP FRCP(A) RS(N) Foundation Professor Pathology, Medical School University Newcastle, Clinical Immunologist and (Previous) Head of the Newcastle Mucosal Immunology Group, with special interest in airways infection and vaccine development.

A Sad and Shameful Day for Australian Medicine - Quadrant Online

Surprisingly, the reasons given by the TGA for the decision forbidding physicians prescribing ivermectin isn't the usual 'unproven', this based on a highly dubious and incomplete survey of the literature. No, it is because widespread use of a cheap, off-patent treatment 'may interfere with the...

quadrant.org.au

This doesn't really prove the claims you were making about doctors being deregistered. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

In relation to this guy, it's not that long ago that he was shilling for hydroxychloroquine as well. So maybe he is just as wrong on Ivermectin.


"The university, however, recently distanced itself from Professor Clancy in a statement issued in the name of its vice-chancellor, Alex Zelinski.

"While the University always respects freedom of speech, Robert Clancy is not speaking on behalf of the University of Newcastle when offering his opinion on this issue," Professor Zelinski said.

"The University has not funded his research since 2009 and he retired in 2013.

"The University does not consider Robert Clancy a subject matter expert on COVID-19.""
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Then there is always the fact that many more experts, who are not retired, don't believe there is compelling evidence for the efficacy of Ivermectin:

"“There’s really no compelling evidence it works,” said Dr Peter Hotez, a professor and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine who previously worked on health policy for using vermectin to treat parasitic diseases."

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Saw a medical article posted online (paywalled so I could only read the opening) saying that we shouldn’t think about COVID as becoming like the flu. After widespread vaccination it will be like measles or whooping cough - won’t affect the vaccinated badly but the unvaccinated will see outbreaks that continue to be terrible. (And honestly for a person my age it’s extraordinary to think that anti-vaccination views and actions are keeping those awful diseases alive and preventing what could and should have been elimination.)

 

[ferball]

This doesn't really prove the claims you were making about doctors being deregistered. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

In relation to this guy, it's not that long ago that he was shilling for hydroxychloroquine as well. So maybe he is just as wrong on Ivermectin.


"The university, however, recently distanced itself from Professor Clancy in a statement issued in the name of its vice-chancellor, Alex Zelinski.

"While the University always respects freedom of speech, Robert Clancy is not speaking on behalf of the University of Newcastle when offering his opinion on this issue," Professor Zelinski said.

"The University has not funded his research since 2009 and he retired in 2013.


Then there is always the fact that many more experts, who are not retired, don't believe there is compelling evidence for the efficacy of Ivermectin:

"“There’s really no compelling evidence it works,” said Dr Peter Hotez, a professor and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine who previously worked on health policy for using vermectin to treat parasitic diseases."

Have you read that article?

 

[7577969923]

Have you read that article?

Yes. And some others. The evidence he cites is four other articles written by himself.

What I do know is that most of the leading doctors and researchers in the field are saying that there is no compelling evidence for Ivermectin at this point. The Oxford trial may change this.

 

[Ligma]

That tiktok guy who’d ‘guess’ the cases in NSW and then got outed for being a racist and was at a ‘freedom’ protest is now in hospital with covid.

now I don’t wish this upon anyone but gods timing is always right

 

[ferball]

Saw a medical article posted online (paywalled so I could only read the opening) saying that we shouldn’t think about COVID as becoming like the flu. After widespread vaccination it will be like measles or whooping cough - won’t affect the vaccinated badly but the unvaccinated will see outbreaks that continue to be terrible. (And honestly for a person my age it’s extraordinary to think that anti-vaccination views and actions are keeping those awful diseases alive and preventing what could and should have been elimination.)

I honestly don't think measles will ever be eliminated, except locally, which has happened a few times in well vaccinated countries. Just making vaccination available across the planet would be a good start tho and that is happening. Its three to five times more contagious than smallpox, which is about as contagious as this delta strain by the looks of things. Whooping cough is similar.

 

[ferball]

Yes. And some others. The evidence he cites is four other articles written by himself.

What I do know is that most of the leading doctors and researchers in the field are saying that there is no compelling evidence for Ivermectin at this point. The Oxford trial may change this.

So is this bit true?

Surprisingly, the reasons given by the TGA for their decision on IVM are not the usual mantra of “unproven”, based on Cochrane, although that is left hanging as a “given”. The reasons are even less defensible: “supply may become limited” (incorrect, but this nevertheless demonstrates there is a need for the drug); “concerns re toxicity due to dosage determined by social media” (this concern is easily remedied by controlling usage through front-line doctors), and, lastly, the real reason: “It may interfere with the vaccination programme”. What an extraordinary statement!

Cos if it is, and they are the only reasons, then I actually agree with him.

I've got no problems with banning Doctors from prescribing Ivermectin if its based on evidence about its toxicity or that it is ineffective either. Which would seem reasonable at this point wouldn't it?

 

[Swallow_Wood]

This doesn't really prove the claims you were making about doctors being deregistered. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

In relation to this guy, it's not that long ago that he was shilling for hydroxychloroquine as well. So maybe he is just as wrong on Ivermectin.


"The university, however, recently distanced itself from Professor Clancy in a statement issued in the name of its vice-chancellor, Alex Zelinski.

"While the University always respects freedom of speech, Robert Clancy is not speaking on behalf of the University of Newcastle when offering his opinion on this issue," Professor Zelinski said.

"The University has not funded his research since 2009 and he retired in 2013.


Then there is always the fact that many more experts, who are not retired, don't believe there is compelling evidence for the efficacy of Ivermectin:

"“There’s really no compelling evidence it works,” said Dr Peter Hotez, a professor and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine who previously worked on health policy for using vermectin to treat parasitic diseases."

Thats just the system protecting itself man.

 

[Gumble Frankieton]

Hope they turn up, get rowdy, get pepper sprayed, get arrested and get gaoled.

If only we had a spray-on vaccination option. The coppers could have pepper spray in one hand and vaccine spray in the other...

 

[7577969923]

So is this bit true?

Surprisingly, the reasons given by the TGA for their decision on IVM are not the usual mantra of “unproven”, based on Cochrane, although that is left hanging as a “given”. The reasons are even less defensible: “supply may become limited” (incorrect, but this nevertheless demonstrates there is a need for the drug); “concerns re toxicity due to dosage determined by social media” (this concern is easily remedied by controlling usage through front-line doctors), and, lastly, the real reason: “It may interfere with the vaccination programme”. What an extraordinary statement!

Cos if it is, and they are the only reasons, then I actually agree with him.

I've got no problems with banning Doctors from prescribing Ivermectin if its based on evidence about its toxicity or that it is ineffective either. Which would seem reasonable at this point wouldn't it?

This is the announcement from the TGA. The bolded paragraph seems reasonable to me.



Today, the TGA, acting on the advice of the Advisory Committee for Medicines Scheduling, has placed new restrictions on the prescribing of oral ivermectin. General practitioners are now only able to prescribe ivermectin for TGA-approved conditions (indications) - scabies and certain parasitic infections. Certain specialists including infectious disease physicians, dermatologists, gastroenterologists and hepatologists (liver disease specialists) will be permitted to prescribe ivermectin for other unapproved indications if they believe it is appropriate for a particular patient.

These changes have been introduced because of concerns with the prescribing of oral ivermectin for the claimed prevention or treatment of COVID-19. Ivermectin is not approved for use in COVID-19 in Australia or in other developed countries, and its use by the general public for COVID-19 is currently strongly discouraged by the National COVID Clinical Evidence Taskforce, the World Health Organisation and the US Food and Drug Administration.

Firstly, there are a number of significant public health risks associated with taking ivermectin in an attempt to prevent COVID-19 infection rather than getting vaccinated. Individuals who believe that they are protected from infection by taking ivermectin may choose not to get tested or to seek medical care if they experience symptoms. Doing so has the potential to spread the risk of COVID-19 infection throughout the community.

Secondly, the doses of ivermectin that are being advocated for use in unreliable social media posts and other sources for COVID-19 are significantly higher than those approved and found safe for scabies or parasite treatment. These higher doses can be associated with serious adverse effects, including severe nausea, vomiting, dizziness, neurological effects such as dizziness, seizures and coma.

Finally, there has been a 3-4-fold increased dispensing of ivermectin prescriptions in recent months, leading to national and local shortages for those who need the medicine for scabies and parasite infections. It is believed that this is due to recent prescribing and dispensing for unapproved uses, such as COVID-19. Such shortages can disproportionately impact vulnerable people, including those in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities.

There is only one TGA approved oral ivermectin product, Stromectol ivermectin 3mg tablet blister pack which is indicated for the treatment of river blindness (onchocerciasis), threadworm of the intestines (intestinal strongyloidiasis) and scabies.

All medical practitioners can continue to prescribe oral ivermectin for the approved indications. However, prescribing of oral ivermectin for indications that are not approved is now limited to certain specialists.

 

[DesertRoo]

This doesn't really prove the claims you were making about doctors being deregistered. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

In relation to this guy, it's not that long ago that he was shilling for hydroxychloroquine as well. So maybe he is just as wrong on Ivermectin.


"The university, however, recently distanced itself from Professor Clancy in a statement issued in the name of its vice-chancellor, Alex Zelinski.

"While the University always respects freedom of speech, Robert Clancy is not speaking on behalf of the University of Newcastle when offering his opinion on this issue," Professor Zelinski said.

"The University has not funded his research since 2009 and he retired in 2013.


Then there is always the fact that many more experts, who are not retired, don't believe there is compelling evidence for the efficacy of Ivermectin:

"“There’s really no compelling evidence it works,” said Dr Peter Hotez, a professor and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine who previously worked on health policy for using vermectin to treat parasitic diseases."

You missed an important word, I said ‘threatened to be deregistered’ I never claimed they had been yet. Dr Clancy clearly goes onto state that and why..

It’ll be an interesting day when a doctor in Australia prescribes triple therapy to a patient for early treatment for covid.

 

[Ligma]

 

[The acurate one]

Today is COVID date #1 for the week. Let's see how I go with the lovely Helen. She's of Greek descent and is such a wog! And that is said with love. I Get a kick out that aussie/ wog accent.

And again I've been called worse, so no I am not racist anymore than I am politically correct.

 

[Muscles Thommo]

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Isnt Chaddy food court closed?

 

[Ligma]

Isnt Chaddy food court closed?

Apparently they banned arrogant AirPod wearing people there, it’s closed to that population hehe