List Mgmt. Contracts. Trades. Draft. 2021 Edition

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Updated (20/3/24) the status of all contracts for people’s reference : Overall List - 44 Players : Main List(37), Rookie List(5), Cat B(2) Contracted until the end of 2027 (2) : Tom Barrass (8/10/95) - Signed a 5 year extension (2023,2024,2025,2026,2027) on an existing contract set to...

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[Duggo81]

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[Keys]

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[Obeanie1]

I'm going to play Devils Advokent with you.


If the deal is done and we get to retain our first 3 picks in the draft you won't find anyone complaining. Pick 49 would be lovely.

In all likelihood it'll be pick 35, which is a mid 2nd rounder. 29 is also being thrown up, which is even worse for us.

As for the "need" you say he's filling, what need is that? He doesn't even have a role at Carlton he's done successfully, so what box does he instantly tick at West Coast?

Mid? He's never demonstrated he can play midfield at AFL level. HFF? Minimal goals and score assists/involvements. He isn't a sure thing in ANY role, master of none.

Legit the only need he is filling is the gaping hole that is that specific age bracket. He's currently not in the best 22 of a basket case bottom feeder club in Carlton.

Shuey is 31 and is one more hamstring injury away from retirement. That's the need we are looking to cover. None of Trew, O'Neil or L Edwards can fill that gapping hole in the near future, especially if we are going all out for one last crack before JK and Hurn retire / Nic turns 32>33.

SPS has shown glimpses of brilliance as a mid but as Woosha said the Blues drafted so many mids they had to push them onto the flanks to get a game. There is no debate that SPS hasn't been provided the opportunity to play the role he was drafted for., he hasn't.

Sure, we don't pay with early or mid 2nd round picks. A pick 40 to 50 would be about right and lets not pretend a pick in that range would be likely to land us a 18 year old who could step in next season and contribute.

And what SPS has that we desperately need? A player who can pick the ball up off the ground cleanly and actually lay a tackle.

HE must be played in the middle, rotation off a HFF is fine but not a permanent HFF.

As has been posted Ainsworth out and SPS in instantly makes us a better squad. No argument.

 

[Keys]

Senior foxfooty.com.au writer Tom Morris reported on Wednesday that one of West Coast’s two second-rounders (Picks 29 or 35) would likely appease Carlton in a Petrevski-Seton deal, adding the Blues weren’t “going to play too much hard ball” at the trade table.

The Herald Sun reported on Wednesday night the Eagles would “try to low ball” the Blues in a deal, adding the Perth-based club would likely offer its third-round selection (Pick 49, which was received from Sydney) first up when negotiations begin next week.

My god, we’re savages. Fancy starting with a low offer

 

[juddy_Like]

So do we all agree SPS is a good get for the club provided it’s relatively cheap?

That’s what I’m gathering from the last 10 pages anyways.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Shuey is 31 and is one more hamstring injury away from retirement. That's the need we are looking to cover. None of Trew, O'Neil or L Edwards can fill that gapping hole in the near future, especially if we are going all out for one last crack before JK and Hurn retire / Nic turns 32>33.

SPS has shown glimpses of brilliance as a mid but as Woosha said the Blues drafted so many mids they had to push them onto the flanks to get a game. There is no debate that SPS hasn't been provided the opportunity to play the role he was drafted for., he hasn't.

Sure, we don't pay with early or mid 2nd round picks. A pick 40 to 50 would be about right and lets not pretend a pick in that range would be likely to land us a 18 year old who could step in next season and contribute.

And what SPS has that we desperately need? A player who can pick the ball up off the ground cleanly and actually lay a tackle.

HE must be played in the middle, rotation off a HFF is fine but not a permanent HFF.

As has been posted Ainsworth out and SPS in instantly makes us a better squad. No argument.

Really wish the "He's better than Ainsworth" line would stop being thrown around.

Anyone is better than Ainsworth, that's completely irrelevant. Whatever pick we give up for SPS would also likely be "Better than Ainsworth" as well. Not hard.



"Actually lay a tackle?" SPS has averaged 2 tackles a game in his past 2 seasons. That's the same as Sheed. Real tackling machine.

As i said before, we don't know SPS fills a need. We're SPECULATING that he can add to our midfield depth, given he played as a midfielder against other kids waaaaay back when he was drafted in 2016. That's the only body of evidence we've got here. Nothing is certain with him, other than the fact he's yet to build a tank worthy of AFL level midfield minutes.

Just like Branders development is now pure speculation for whatever club gets him, it's the same with SPS.

Too many people talking in absolute's, like SPS is guaranteed to give us this, or that. Let's call it what it is, a punt. And one i agree we should take.


49 - Yes.

35 - I'd be wanting something else (like an upgrade from our 29 to their 25) to soften the blow.

29 - * off.

Recently, Trent Rivers was drafted with Pick 32. Shannon Neale 32, Tyler Brockman 46, Chad Warner 39, Vandermeer 37.


After 2 years worth of picks for Kelly, i actually want us to keep our first 3 selections this year. Get Brander involved.

 

[Lynch takes a mark]

"Actually lay a tackle?" SPS has averaged 2 tackles a game in his past 2 seasons. That's the same as Sheed. Real tackling machine.

I do miss Priddis and Scott Selwood running faster towards a pack than away from it, anybody have stats for the amount of times they hit 20+ tackles between them?

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Lmao how is pick 49 low-balling? If we were we'd start with pick 65.
Regardless of whether Brander requested a trade or we wanted to off-load him, most people would be unconcerned if we got nothing for him.
It would he disputable that SPS is worth more than Brander.

 

[Rowan18]

Witherden essentially went for a third round pick in the 50s, why would we expect to pay more for SPS?

Exactly. This board nashed its teeth over that as well, then it turned out the club knew what it was doing.

When do we actually get bent over in trades? Maybe Kelly (though the first round picks we gave up were toward the end of the round) but otherwise we tend to get the value for what we pay.

 

[Truckosaurus]

We got bent over by Port and Ebert, but it is rare. The trouble is when we take our 'we'll do right by you' good-will approach to clubs that obviously were never going to reciprocate. Like Geelong, Port and (god forbid we ever have to deal with them) Essendon.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Senior foxfooty.com.au writer Tom Morris reported on Wednesday that one of West Coast’s two second-rounders (Picks 29 or 35) would likely appease Carlton in a Petrevski-Seton deal, adding the Blues weren’t “going to play too much hard ball” at the trade table.

The Herald Sun reported on Wednesday night the Eagles would “try to low ball” the Blues in a deal, adding the Perth-based club would likely offer its third-round selection (Pick 49, which was received from Sydney) first up when negotiations begin next week.

Trade time is when the Vic media goes next level

If 35 would "appease" Carlton and we're offering 49 (our next pick) that's hardly "lowballing"

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Senior foxfooty.com.au writer Tom Morris reported on Wednesday that one of West Coast’s two second-rounders (Picks 29 or 35) would likely appease Carlton in a Petrevski-Seton deal, adding the Blues weren’t “going to play too much hard ball” at the trade table.

The Herald Sun reported on Wednesday night the Eagles would “try to low ball” the Blues in a deal, adding the Perth-based club would likely offer its third-round selection (Pick 49, which was received from Sydney) first up when negotiations begin next week.

My god, we’re savages. Fancy starting with a low offer
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How is that low balling, I think 65 is low balling. 49 is bang on, it comes down to 45 as soon as Diacos is bid on but more realistically probably 42-43. So it's perfect!

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Guys walking in the pre-season draft has been pretty rare in the past decade or so, to the point that a few times they haven’t even held a PSD.

Apart from Jack Martin, the last guy to delist himself and go in the PSD was probably Bachar Houli in 2010.

Luke Ball and Ben Jacobs put themselves in the main draft, there might be others like that.

Adelaide with Jackson Hately in 2020

 

[Bacchus]

Eagles’ plot to ‘low-ball’ star in Blues deal; forgotten Cat some teams ‘would love’: Trade Whispers

How the media distort and exaggerate situations using inflammatory terms such as ‘plot’, ‘low-ball’ and ‘star’. In what world is SPS a ‘star’? He is currently a fringe and role player in a modestly performing team. Walsh is a star for Carlton, SPS is not.

 

[Obeanie1]

Really wish the "He's better than Ainsworth" line would stop being thrown around.

Anyone is better than Ainsworth, that's completely irrelevant. Whatever pick we give up for SPS would also likely be "Better than Ainsworth" as well. Not hard.



"Actually lay a tackle?" SPS has averaged 2 tackles a game in his past 2 seasons. That's the same as Sheed. Real tackling machine.

As i said before, we don't know SPS fills a need. We're SPECULATING that he can add to our midfield depth, given he played as a midfielder against other kids waaaaay back when he was drafted in 2016. That's the only body of evidence we've got here. Nothing is certain with him, other than the fact he's yet to build a tank worthy of AFL level midfield minutes.

Just like Branders development is now pure speculation for whatever club gets him, it's the same with SPS.

Too many people talking in absolute's, like SPS is guaranteed to give us this, or that. Let's call it what it is, a punt. And one i agree we should take.


49 - Yes.

35 - I'd be wanting something else (like an upgrade from our 29 to their 25) to soften the blow.

29 - fu** off.

Recently, Trent Rivers was drafted with Pick 32. Shannon Neale 32, Tyler Brockman 46, Chad Warner 39, Vandermeer 37.


After 2 years worth of picks for Kelly, i actually want us to keep our first 3 selections this year. Get Brander involved.

Isn't every draft pick speculating? Especially picks after 40?

Cherry picking all the half decent players picked over 30 isn't much of an argument. What about the dozens who never made it or even played a game never mind 90 games.

Anyway we do agree we shouldn't use any of our first three picks.

At least we know SPS can actually play at the top level.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

I am wanting Doggies to win on Saturday. The main reason (apart from Demons being a flog of a club) is that their 1st rounder will be pick 18 and hence less points but still counting as first rounder. We can then take 2 first rounders in 2021 and get our 1st round requirements refreshed.

If we can get say pick 30 from the Cats for Brander, we go for 29, 35 and 60 for Doggies pick 18 (a premium of 436 points). We then pass over pick 45 for SPS (worth less than Brander since talls need more development). Regan as a rookie - but a fall back if we need to match NGA points for Regan, we can slide back in the 2022 later rounds or pass if too high a price.

This would leave us pick 10, 18 and 30. We go 2 rookies for a 37/5 list split and go a couple of NGA prospects for the Beagles.

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ATG I like your thoughts.
Lets say on draft night if this Happened:

Brissy gets on the phone to Crazy Vozzo

"Mate we really want your number 10 pick (12)
How about we give you our two late first rounders for your pick plus a third rounder?"

Would you do this?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

ATG I like your thoughts.
Lets say on draft night if this Happened:

Brissy gets on the phone to Crazy Vozzo

"Mate we really want your number 10 pick (12)
How about we give you our two late first rounders for your pick plus a third rounder?"

Would you do this?

Depends who’s still on the board at that stage.

 

[FKASC]

Eagles’ plot to ‘low-ball’ star in Blues deal; forgotten Cat some teams ‘would love’: Trade Whispers

How the media distort and exaggerate situations using inflammatory terms such as ‘plot’, ‘low-ball’ and ‘star’. In what world is SPS a ‘star’? He is currently a fringe and role player in a modestly performing team. Walsh is a star for Carlton, SPS is not.

Literally if you were a top ten pick for a Victorian club, you are a star.

If SPS wasn’t a top ten pick all of this would be a non issue.

 

[Bacchus]

Literally if you were a top ten pick for a Victorian club, you are a star.

If SPS wasn’t a top ten pick all of this would be a non issue.

Yes, they interpret things as they like according to their own needs and interests.

If SPS was playing for a non-Victorian team he would be a fringe player.

 

[Spange]

I know someone at the club. Not naming names for discretion however I heard the first lowball offer for SPS and I am a bit surprised actually. Not even starting with Smiths chips. Straight for the Lays original

 

[Monocle]

Depends who’s still on the board at that stage.

Bingo Miguel you are spot on with that answer.

Say ( for arguments sake ) MJ was our primary draft target with Ward as our fall back and they had both been taken, we may well rejig our draft board to drop back and get to take two for the price of one.
With picking up a couple of Draper, Chesser, Roberts, Wanganeen-Milera or go a mid and a tall.
Lots of options for us : also interesting point to note is that at around pick 9-10 there is often a real slider who bobbles out due to team / list needs of Clubs with prior picks.
Middle of the first and early second are the two prime slider slots.

 

[Bender_]

I've heard that Alec Waterman's Aunty wants written confirmation about how much clunge SPS gets before we commit to anything.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Out of Contract
Poor form
No set role at the club
Spent a large chunk of the year in the VFL for the team that finished 13th
Has nominated West Coast as his preferred club



O'Brien is probably writing to the AFL for permission to give them our pick 10 as we speak.

 

[Farang83150]

60 whatever would be SO good but 49 would be fair, can you imagine the melts from prictoria if we do screw them hard...delish!!

 

[DanWCE]

Out of Contract
Poor form
No set role at the club
Spent a large chunk of the year in the twos for the team that finished outside the top 8

Hmm yeah, Brander is a quandary