List Mgmt. 2021 Trade & List Management Thread II - IN: CCJ

[giantroo]

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[The Nostradamus]

Yeah if we are trading Tarrant to help them not dilute their compo it has to be part of the CCJ deal

 

[buttox]

Yeah if we are trading Tarrant to help them not dilute their compo it has to be part of the CCJ deal

And they have to accept less than without taz.
38 for ccj alone is plenty. on his own.
so less than 38. May as well just do a straight swap.

 

[hilly]

Agree with above posts.

Strong feeling we are giving nothing to the media

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[Devington]

Taz + 38 for CCJ + 44. Marginally better than a straight swap, which they can paint as a tiny win.

Once the adults are in a room together I'm thinking it will be something like that. They want the Chol compo, but we would want the Tarrant compo. We have pick 1 in the PSD, and they have zero ******* leverage with CCJ. Everything is in our favour, and yet I still think we'll aim for some veneer of fairness.

If CCJ was under contract or going to a club without the first pick they could probably get a pick around 20. IMO this deal sees them make a fairly crappy return for him (though it IS better once Chol's compo is factored in), but it is leagues better than what the worst case scenario could be. Worst case scenario is a thing of nightmares, essentially Taz for CCJ and Chol.

 

[ferball]

So for arguments sake:

We keep 38, get 39 (potential Taz FA compo), and CCJ thru the PSD. Lose Taz.

Richmond get Taz as a FA. Lose CCJ and Chol with no compo.

I like it.

They want us to trade Taz and 38 for CCJ.

So we get CCJ. Lose 38, 39 (taz compo) and Taz.

They get 38, 39 (Chol compo could be better .... I dunno) and Taz.

I guess you can't blame them for trying.

So we keep 38, get CCJ as a trade for Taz. Lose any taz compo and Taz.

They get Taz and whatever Chol compo there is.

Its a compromise but ... we don't have to do this? Why should we? We lose a draft pick and the one we had might get pushed back one place. Which might be the difference between the last good prospect who slid because of covid and some spud. What benefit is there for us to not break their balls in this situation?

 

[Roo202]

Taz + 38 for CCJ + 44. Marginally better than a straight swap, which they can paint as a tiny win.

Once the adults are in a room together I'm thinking it will be something like that. They want the Chol compo, but we would want the Tarrant compo. We have pick 1 in the PSD, and they have zero ******* leverage with CCJ. Everything is in our favour, and yet I still think we'll aim for some veneer of fairness.

If CCJ was under contract or going to a club without the first pick they could probably get a pick around 20. IMO this deal sees them make a fairly crappy return for him (though it IS better once Chol's compo is factored in), but it is leagues better than what the worst case scenario could be. Worst case scenario is a thing of nightmares, essentially Taz for CCJ and Chol.

Worst result for Richmond is CCJ to us via PSD and Tarrant to Richmond via FA (perhaps with an unlikely bonus comp pick coming our way). For it to go any other way, Richmond need our co-operation. I agree, I think something along the lines of what you've said is about right, but anyway you slice it Richmond have no leverage to play hardball.

 

[ferball]

They can have pick 69 for CCJ.

 

[buttox]

They can have pick 69 for CCJ.

I bet thats what we offered. Along with no trade on taz.
No way we offered 38 day 1.

 

[ferball]

* offering 38. Why bother? They've poached our past VC when we are at our lowest point and need his leadership. We owe them nothing. We should remind CCJ that he took the fall for all of their big-named players and staff with Kebabgate and couldn't offer him a decent contract. And their mouthpieces in the media are claiming he owes them for scapegoating him. We should tell him the PSD is the perfect way to pay them back.

And we should video the trade meeting where we offer them 69 or the PSD from multiple angles and give the footage to members as a payback for having the spoon.

 

[Le Grille]

fu** offering 38. Why bother? They've poached our past VC when we are at our lowest point and need his leadership. We owe them nothing. We should remind CCJ that he took the fall for all of their big-named players and staff with Kebabgate and couldn't offer him a decent contract. And their mouthpieces in the media are claiming he owes them for scapegoating him. We should tell him the PSD is the perfect way to pay them back.

And we should video the trade meeting where we offer them 69 or the PSD from multiple angles and give the footage to members as a payback for having the spoon.

The more it goes , Tarrant and 69 seems fine

 

[roos_fanatic08]

So for arguments sake:

We keep 38, get 39 (potential Taz FA compo), and CCJ thru the PSD. Lose Taz.

Richmond get Taz as a FA. Lose CCJ and Chol with no compo.

I like it.

They want us to trade Taz and 38 for CCJ.

So we get CCJ. Lose 38, 39 (taz compo) and Taz.

They get 38, 39 (Chol compo could be better .... I dunno) and Taz.

I guess you can't blame them for trying.

So we keep 38, get CCJ as a trade for Taz. Lose any taz compo and Taz.

They get Taz and whatever Chol compo there is.

Its a compromise but ... we don't have to do this? Why should we? We lose a draft pick and the one we had might get pushed back one place. Which might be the difference between the last good prospect who slid because of covid and some spud. What benefit is there for us to not break their balls in this situation?

Only downside of sending CCJ to the PSD is that we won’t have that pick 1 up our sleeve in case a high profile trade (Cerra) falls through.

 

[buttox]

 

[buttox]

Only downside of sending CCJ to the PSD is that we won’t have that pick 1 up our sleeve in case a high profile trade (Cerra) falls through.

I was thinking about this the other day.
I think CCJ would comfortably be the best player picked at PSD 1 for a long while.
Cerra is just a dream.

 

[shinboner magic]

Yeah if we are trading Tarrant to help them not dilute their compo it has to be part of the CCJ deal

Yep I’d do taz and future 3rd for ccj and 44

 

[Roo202]

Only downside of sending CCJ to the PSD is that we won’t have that pick 1 up our sleeve in case a high profile trade (Cerra) falls through.

Yeah or if we have someone else OOC in mind, there is a good argument if there's any other possibilities on the radar, to get the CCJ deal done as quickly as possible and start intimidating some other list manager with our PSD pick!

 

[Devington]

So for arguments sake:

We keep 38, get 39 (potential Taz FA compo), and CCJ thru the PSD. Lose Taz.

Richmond get Taz as a FA. Lose CCJ and Chol with no compo.

I like it.

They want us to trade Taz and 38 for CCJ.

So we get CCJ. Lose 38, 39 (taz compo) and Taz.

They get 38, 39 (Chol compo could be better .... I dunno) and Taz.

I guess you can't blame them for trying.

So we keep 38, get CCJ as a trade for Taz. Lose any taz compo and Taz.

They get Taz and whatever Chol compo there is.

Its a compromise but ... we don't have to do this? Why should we? We lose a draft pick and the one we had might get pushed back one place. Which might be the difference between the last good prospect who slid because of covid and some spud. What benefit is there for us to not break their balls in this situation?

I think the "clubs try not to shaft eachother at the trade table because it destroys relationships" thing is overplayed by the media, but I also think there's more than an element of truth to it. I think the accepted method is to aim for something that benefits you moreso than the other bloke but can also be painted as something resembling fair. There's some exceptions like Dodo who has never shipped out a player he hasn't thought was worth multiple round one draft picks, and then what happened with Collingwood last year, but typically there aren't too many trades that seem grotesquely one sided.

Even with what I said before I still think that if they arc up about it and actually start demanding more then you just tell them to get stuffed, remind them that they have zero leverage and that when you come back tomorrow the deal is changing and they'll like that one even less. The ball is in their court. IMO we just give them a fairish offer in the hope they do the deal on day one and then we retain and wield the PSD pick one as a bargaining tool, or outright weapon, for the rest of the trade period.

However the idea in your second post has a lot of merit to it too

 

[Le Grille]

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TT CHF don’t actually mind it

 

[Kangayroo]

Special request to the mods.
Please let the snowflakes melt when this trade goes through.
Dont be deleting any hilarious rants from tigers supporters.
cheers

 

[ferball]

Only downside of sending CCJ to the PSD is that we won’t have that pick 1 up our sleeve in case a high profile trade (Cerra) falls through.

Pick 69 is fair enough.

 

[Liam Boy]

TT CHF don’t actually mind it

compared to the other guys in that forward line he's tall timber. makes sense.

 

[SonofSamsquanch]

The more it goes , Tarrant and 69 seems fine

Pick 69 is fair enough.

If you look at it that way, one up, one down.

 

[SonofSamsquanch]

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Is Pat Ryder wearing the wrong jumper in his profile pic?

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

TT CHF don’t actually mind it

If he was another couple of inches and 5-8 kilos heavier, he would be an outright freak across the HF line. The guy can bang it long, moves like the wind and is an awesome contested grab.

 

[Shermanator]

The more it goes , Tarrant and 69 seems fine

Zondor thoughts?..

 

[Heaps of fun]

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Jeez, imagine that forward line.