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I meant smarts for midfield. Need another level to a forward pocket.That might be a little unfair, very young and raw, let's see how his development goes before declaring lack of footy smarts.
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I meant smarts for midfield. Need another level to a forward pocket.That might be a little unfair, very young and raw, let's see how his development goes before declaring lack of footy smarts.
I meant smarts for midfield. Need another level to a forward pocket.
I do too. Needs to develop some more ways to get the footy though. Improvement in both hitting at the footy and getting front and centre would be good - rather than just mainly being a chasing predator.Yeah I gathered what you meant, we don't know how he's going to develop. From what we've seen so far, he can make use of opportunity - as a forward. Still young in mind but has the physical attributes to make it as either and those attributes may improve also. I think he can make it as a pressure / defensive forward.
Perhaps the biggest subplot of the 2021 Grand Final was the Cristian Petracca show versus the Marcus Bontempelli show.
One of those two was always destined to wear the Norm Smith around their neck.
Petracca 186cm, 97kg, 25 yo
Bontempelli 192cm, 85kg, 25 yo
The modern ‘it’ player seems to be the tall, strong, big bodied midfielder who oozes onfield leadership, and who can rip a game apart by themselves.
Nick ‘The messiah’ Daicos as amazingly amazing as he is, has much the same body type as John Noble. Yes I’m serious. So Saint Nickolas doesn’t project as that player.
Candidates on our list today …
Jordan DeGoey 188cm, 92kg, 25 yo
Brayden Sier 191, 88kg, 23 yo
Tyler Brown 188, 77kg, 21 yo
Reef McInnis 192, 84kg, 19 yo
(Scott Pendlebury 191, 91kg, 33 yo)
Pendlebury is obviously a different kind of player and he’s in his autumn years. He’s not really that inside type player who uses his strength to beat his enemies into submission.
DeGoey is the same generation as Petracca and Bontempelli, but clearly hasn’t reached anything like their consistency. Would require some maturity to catch up.
Sier has the height, has the body, has the strength, but projects zero leadership. Would require some serious redemption to justify staying on the list, let alone fulfilling his physical potential and becoming a dominant player of the competition.
Tyler Brown, dunno if he has the frame to put on that much bulk?
Reef - dunno much about him, except that he won’t reach Petracca / Bontempelli / DeGoey’s current level of age and experience until the year 2027.
Do we need one of these players to step up? Do we need to recruit another? Do competitive teams need this kind of player?
I do too. Needs to develop some more ways to get the footy though. Improvement in both hitting at the footy and getting front and centre would be good - rather than just mainly being a chasing predator.
+ Crisp at 190cm is another option.
Really De Goey is the guy with the potential to reach the same ball park as Trac and Bont appreciating those two are something else.
Not sure what all the discussion is about. Blokes with the calibre of a petracca or bont. Do we have one? No. Should we draft one? I reckon we should draft about 6 if we can...
I din't think size has anything to do with it. They could be 172cm tall, but if they can't get clearances they are just as good as someone who is 193cm and 95kg
Sier glacial speed also different to the others mentioned.
Someone like Rodan at his best was small but powerful enough to break tackles, actually, being really small can make it even harder for players to tackle them without getting them in the head, ala selwoodi think the point is that size matters when it comes to extracting the ball and breaking tackles on the way out..... hence clearances
If you can crack in, have clean hand, win clearances, use it OK and link up on the outside, you win matches, x-factor rarely does.Far from an exact match, however I'd like to see Maynard get his fitness up and get a decent crack in the midfield. Has the strength, size and pace (2.98sec 20m in his draft year - just an example as I couldn't find recent figures), but may lack the match winning x-factor.
Probably the wrong word, but couldn't find a better one without writing a full paragraph. Plenty can win clearances etc, but few have that extra gear to lift and carry their side to a win like Petracca, Martin, Bontempelli to use a few current players. These types also have the added ability to kick clutch goals from opportunistic or difficult chances.If you can crack in, have clean hand, win clearances, use it OK and link up on the outside, you win matches, x-factor rarely does.
Yeah those three are just so incredibly complete - brutes with awesome skills and just so much confidence to do things that others can't. Guys like Libba, Prestia, Neale, Wines, don't pull off much of that - but they've helped their teams win a heap of games.Probably the wrong word, but couldn't find a better one without writing a full paragraph. Plenty can win clearances etc, but few have that extra gear to lift and carry their side to a win like Petracca, Martin, Bontempelli to use a few current players. These types also have the added ability to kick clutch goals from opportunistic or difficult chances.
Perhaps the biggest subplot of the 2021 Grand Final was the Cristian Petracca show versus the Marcus Bontempelli show.
One of those two was always destined to wear the Norm Smith around their neck.
Petracca 186cm, 97kg, 25 yo
Bontempelli 192cm, 85kg, 25 yo
The modern ‘it’ player seems to be the tall, strong, big bodied midfielder who oozes onfield leadership, and who can rip a game apart by themselves.
Nick ‘The messiah’ Daicos as amazingly amazing as he is, has much the same body type as John Noble. Yes I’m serious. So Saint Nickolas doesn’t project as that player.
Candidates on our list today …
Jordan DeGoey 188cm, 92kg, 25 yo
Brayden Sier 191, 88kg, 23 yo
Tyler Brown 188, 77kg, 21 yo
Reef McInnis 192, 84kg, 19 yo
(Scott Pendlebury 191, 91kg, 33 yo)
Pendlebury is obviously a different kind of player and he’s in his autumn years. He’s not really that inside type player who uses his strength to beat his enemies into submission.
DeGoey is the same generation as Petracca and Bontempelli, but clearly hasn’t reached anything like their consistency. Would require some maturity to catch up.
Sier has the height, has the body, has the strength, but projects zero leadership. Would require some serious redemption to justify staying on the list, let alone fulfilling his physical potential and becoming a dominant player of the competition.
Tyler Brown, dunno if he has the frame to put on that much bulk?
Reef - dunno much about him, except that he won’t reach Petracca / Bontempelli / DeGoey’s current level of age and experience until the year 2027.
Do we need one of these players to step up? Do we need to recruit another? Do competitive teams need this kind of player?
Back on topic - Reef is the guy you don't want to be sleeping on.
He's very much slipped below the radar but he'll quickly gain a following once he gets his chance at AFL level, as he's got that genuine ability to have a significant impact on a game in a 10-15 minute burst of dominant football that not many young kids have.
A lot of midfield prospects nowadays falling into the "accumulator" steroeotype without having a massive impact in terms of taking the game by the scruff when needed, but Reef is definitely not one of those and I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised (or perhaps just reminded for some) when he does get up and running.
Someone like Rodan at his best was small but powerful enough to break tackles, actually, being really small can make it even harder for players to tackle them without getting them in the head, ala selwood
Apologies, my post was pretty tongue in cheek. Just think that yeah it's probably a good idea to try and draft guys as good as petracca and bont. They were both at the extreme end of the draft for a reason. As for the key forward thing we do need one but we also need to be careful. St kilda used that criteria to separate petracca and mccartin.To answer your question, yes (potentially)
Secondly, players with physical attributes like Trac or De Goey (the potential) don't grow on trees and are much rarer then that match winning key forward we need, so no we won't be drafting one anytime soon.
Is his endurance too low to cut his teeth in another area of the ground?The thing I like about McInnes is his tackling. I think that might get him games early because as a minimum he's adding a lot of heat at the contest. That's good while ge gains experience. He also has that explosiveness to be a real weapon. He has very ordinary endurance though and given his interrupted preseason I think that's a few years away.
Is his endurance too low to cut his teeth in another area of the ground?