Analysis 2021 trade thread

[wantok]

The anti Vax thing is a genuine worry. It brings some pretty bad PR to the club. No point adding more fuel to the fire if we can avoid it.

The truth is it creates division. If it's his wife she will no doubt socialise with players partners. Some may agree with her but most won't. They will discuss this with the players. These views will become a debatable topic and before you know it the focus is not on football but outside issues. Steer well clear.

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[briztoon]

Isn’t a meniscus normally 12 or so weeks? Would it not be well and truely healed in 12 months or that too simplistic?

You would have to ask an orthopod. I don’t know how the meniscus and ligaments interact.

Also depends if it was a minor tear or required surgery itself.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

You would have to ask an orthopod. I don’t know how the meniscus and ligaments interact.

Also depends if it was a minor tear or required surgery itself.

Think at worse it is 3 months- in the same interview he does say Hippy should be mid to late next year.

 

[martinson]

You would have to ask an orthopod. I don’t know how the meniscus and ligaments interact.

Also depends if it was a minor tear or required surgery itself.

I don't pretend to know what Eric's prognosis is either but from people in the medical profession I've spoken to his particular ACL tear was on the information available a significant one.

I don't want him back until he's made a full recovery. I doubt we'll be pushing him. But if the team's going well and we're in contention again it's good for his morale and devotion to his rehab program that there's hope there for next year if things go well. It's a tough grind for an otherwise fit young man.

 

[Mighty Lions]

I’ll be surprised if we see Hipwood at all next season.

Hippy is well ahead with his rehab program......he will be back in 2022 guaranteed. Don't understand why you or anyone else would be surprised given almost every acl injury similar to Hippy's takes no more than 12 months. Where do you get your intel from to make that comment?

 

[scoman]

Not sure how you could guarantee that? About 2-3% of the population (a lot of polling is done on this) is actually anti vax rather than hesitant. More highly represented in certain populations. A professional sporting team that gets told a lot about medicine / sports science, and with players getting jabs for all kind of things, would be less likely to be anti vax. And the afl is about to announce a vaccine policy from the sounds of things that could limit what players can do.

Well 2-3% of Lions players, coaching staff, admin staff, parents, siblings, wives, girlfriends, husbands and boyfriends would be a considerable amount. Also, I'm not sure being attached to a sporting team makes you less likely to be anti vax.

Anyway I will leave it there. The mandatory Vax thing will be quite interesting I think. I doubt any of the players refuse tbh, I just think some would be fielding some pretty strong opinions from those close to them, as are many people in our community.

 

[jackess]

Well 2-3% of Lions players, coaching staff, admin staff, parents, siblings, wives, girlfriends, husbands and boyfriends would be a considerable amount. Also, I'm not sure being attached to a sporting team makes you less likely to be anti vax.

Anyway I will leave it there. The mandatory Vax thing will be quite interesting I think. I doubt any of the players refuse tbh, I just think some would be fielding some pretty strong opinions from those close to them, as are manny people in our community.

Having a job where you would be severely impacted by not being vaccinated would make you far less likely to be anti-vax

 

[scoman]

Having a job where you would be severely impacted by not being vaccinated would make you far less likely to be anti-vax

It wouldn't have been an issue until now.

 

[martinson]

Well 2-3% of Lions players, coaching staff, admin staff, parents, siblings, wives, girlfriends, husbands and boyfriends would be a considerable amount. Also, I'm not sure being attached to a sporting team makes you less likely to be anti vax.

Anyway I will leave it there. The mandatory Vax thing will be quite interesting I think. I doubt any of the players refuse tbh, I just think some would be fielding some pretty strong opinions from those close to them, as are manny people in our community.

Fwiiw I agree that anyone is entitled to take a viewpoint on these things and as long as they're not shoving it down everyone's throat and adhering to whatever regulatory requirements are in place for travel, whatever, I don't see that it needs to be any issue.

Some people are all for tolerance and individual freedom of choice unless it's something that they disagree with.

 

[Nunez]

Hippy is well ahead with his rehab program......he will be back in 2022 guaranteed. Don't understand why you or anyone else would be surprised given almost every acl injury similar to Hippy's takes no more than 12 months. Where do you get your intel from to make that comment?

Guesswork like most posters.

 

[jackess]

Guesswork like most posters.

Setting up an 'I told you so' in 9 months time when his return is delayed

 

[Dalions]

I don't pretend to know what Eric's prognosis is either but from people in the medical profession I've spoken to his particular ACL tear was on the information available a significant one.

I don't want him back until he's made a full recovery. I doubt we'll be pushing him. But if the team's going well and we're in contention again it's good for his morale and devotion to his rehab program that there's hope there for next year if things go well. It's a tough grind for an otherwise fit young man.

You either partially tear an ACL or you fully tear an ACL.
Unless there are complications with the reconstruction surgery for the ACL then having meniscus damage will not hamper his ACL recovery.
As the meniscus recovery period is much shorter.

 

[Nunez]

Setting up an 'I told you so' in 9 months time when his return is delayed

Nothing wrong with predicting and guesswork - all part of a forum full of fans.

So long as people don't mistake their own opinion as fact.

 

[martinson]

You either partially tear an ACL or you fully tear an ACL.
Unless there are complications with the reconstruction surgery for the ACL then having meniscus damage will not hamper his ACL recovery.
As the meniscus recovery period is much shorter.

Well thanks for pointing that out Dalions.

Some people have offered me a differing opinion based on their experience but I guess anecdotal experience and opinions are just that at the end of the day. The vast majority of the people presenting with the issue aren't professional footballers either.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Having a job where you would be severely impacted by not being vaccinated would make you far less likely to be anti-vax

While this is true, plenty of nurses are refusing to get vaccines, especially in the US, and would rather lose their job than comply with a vaccine mandate.

 

[briztoon]

Hippy is well ahead with his rehab program......he will be back in 2022 guaranteed. Don't understand why you or anyone else would be surprised given almost every acl injury similar to Hippy's takes no more than 12 months. Where do you get your intel from to make that comment?

I don’t get intel. I don’t have any connections with the club.

 

[jackess]

While this is true, plenty of nurses are refusing to get vaccines, especially in the US, and would rather lose their job than comply with a vaccine mandate.

Thankfully we're not in the US

 

[briztoon]

Setting up an 'I told you so' in 9 months time when his return is delayed

Why?

That generally doesn’t cross my mind when I engage in a conversation about about whatever topic.

If it was, I would have said something when we traded Hanley and let Rockliff walk for the compo pick.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Some people are all for tolerance and individual freedom of choice unless it's something that they disagree with.

In most areas of life that'd seem like a silly stance, but when it comes to public safety the stakes are different, because people's individual freedom of choice can place everyone around them at greater risk. So I understand that attitude in this context.

That said, I generally don't think people should be forced to be vaccinated if they don't work in spaces frequented by likely Covid carriers. But the AFL is entitled to put safety first, because one positive case can end up derailing the entire competition for months. It's a business decision at the end of the day.

 

[Mavlions1961]

While this is true, plenty of nurses are refusing to get vaccines, especially in the US, and would rather lose their job than comply with a vaccine mandate.

Not only in the US. Here at home also


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[jackess]

Why?

That generally doesn’t cross my mind when I engage in a conversation about about whatever topic.

If it was, I would have said something when we traded Hanley and let Rockliff walk for the compo pick.

What were your thoughts on the Melbourne pickswap? I'm not sure I've heard them multiple times yet

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Not only in the US. Here at home also


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Correct, that's why I said "especially in the US".

 

[briztoon]

In most areas of life that'd seem like a silly stance, but when it comes to public safety the stakes are different, because people's individual freedom of choice can place everyone around them at greater risk. So I understand that attitude in this context.

That said, I generally don't think people should be forced to be vaccinated if they don't work in spaces frequented by likely Covid carriers. But the AFL is entitled to put safety first, because one positive case can end up derailing the entire competition for months. It's a business decision at the end of the day.

When Australia reaches 80% vaccination, and we open up and stop with lockdowns, everyone will be a potential Covid carrier.

I don’t know how you will identify “likely Covid carriers”, or the spaces they frequent.

Being vaccinated won’t stop you being a carrier or spreader. It just greatly increases your chances of not becoming seriously ill, ending up in hospital or dying.

 

[briztoon]

What were your thoughts on the Melbourne pickswap? I'm not sure I've heard them multiple times yet

If it’s not brought up as a discussion topic, then I rarely bring it up, but seeing as you asked…

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I don’t know how you will identify “likely Covid carriers”, or the spaces they frequent.

I thought the answer was blindingly obvious. Hospitals and hotel quarantine are the spaces they frequent.

Being vaccinated won’t stop you being a carrier or spreader. It just greatly increases your chances of not becoming seriously ill, ending up in hospital or dying.

I never said it did. But it does reduce the time period for which you're infectious, actually.