List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Joffaboy]

In order of possible to yeah ok on whom we lose in trades

Battle, a real possibility
Long a real possibility
Coffield, unlikely
Clark, yeah ok

 

[Rors]

Given our lack of draft picks, I think Naish or another DFA would be a good option.

I wonder if we are looking at splitting pick 9 for two later ones... or something like pick 9 and something for Ladhams (or different player at another club) and 16.

I’d be happy to take Naish & Lochie O’Brien for free.

Trade off Dunstan, Long & Battle for enough to get us a second 1st rounder & a number of 3rd rounders to cover Windy & Owens bids

 

[Mindtraveller]

Correct, we had Riewoldt in the twilight of his career and Tom Lee the key forward. Trading in forwards cost an arm an a leg, so we drafted the best rated one of the draft. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

That was the year of the weird Frawley Compo. We were looking to trade pick 1 with GWS until that happened

 

[AaronSCHQ]

I’d be happy to take Naish & Lochie O’Brien for free.

Trade off Dunstan, Long & Battle for enough to get us a second 1st rounder & a number of 3rd rounders to cover Windy & Owens bids

Yeah I gather a couple of players might be on their way to other clubs. I do hope that if a couple of clubs are interested in Dunstan, they take him as an unrestricted free agent, not a delisted free agent so we may get something small back as compo (if UFA get compo).

I am unsure how I feel about Ladhams for example, with Bing a potential target and not being sure how Marshall's ruck balance will be in 2023 and onward.

 

[AaronSCHQ]

I’d be happy to take Naish & Lochie O’Brien for free.

Trade off Dunstan, Long & Battle for enough to get us a second 1st rounder & a number of 3rd rounders to cover Windy & Owens bids

Has LOB been delisted?

 

[Rors]

That was the year of the weird Frawley Compo. We were looking to trade pick 1 with GWS until that happened

Picks 4 & 7 for picks 1 & 20

Going by Emma Quayle’s book & our player ratings list, I think we’d have ended up with DeGoey & Peter Wright if I’m not mistaken

 

[SaintsSeptember]

"Chip finally cooked", imagine you finally retire from your dream career as a pretty successful player and that's the headline you get haha. Ahhh that's pretty funny haha.

Its kind of wrong where it talks about Dunstan too, there are no realistic circumstances where GC would need to give up draft picks for him.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Watching the r23 freo game to kill the arvo. There's so much to like for next season it's really worth another watch.
Putting 2 and 2 together, I'm thinking the GOAT's arrival has pushed Batts to defense and cost Clav his spot. Otherwise l can't make real sense of it, but it seems a reasonable scenario.

Wouldn't trade Coff. Stupid suggestion TBH

Batts and Long just nudging 60 games so another year is probably justified unless it nets a top 20 pick in one way or another.

 

[Bill Mohr]

Stavro was talking about it last year. Multiple times.

List Mgmt. - 2020 Trade Thread - Part II

We are thinking about picking up Shaun McKernan wtffffffffff https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/22/st-kilda-considering-move-for-delisted-don/

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From gary Lyon on SEN 1 year ago

Garry Lyon read out the latest trade news from his ‘8:30am’ insider on SEN Breakfast this morning.

The report suggested St Kilda and Adelaide struck an agreement as part of Brad Crouch’s decision to join the Saints in free agency.



That deal will see the Crows take on a pair of Saints players to give salary cap relief and allow St Kilda to pay Crouch enough to grant Adelaide top-bracket compensation.

“St Kilda and the Crows got together for a deal RE: Brad Crouch to ensure Adelaide gets compensation pick number two,” Lyon read on SEN Breakfast.

The thought is the money was not high enough to give him the compensation.

“Initially the Crouch money fell under the compensation to make it happen, so the Saints bumped up his wage to get the average over $700,000, originally $550,000, which wasn’t enough.

“In turn, the Crows will take both Jimmy Webster and Luke Dunstan in exchange for a set of steak knife, late draft choices.

“The Crows are taking them off St Kilda’s salary cap, hence the upgrade for Crouch and pick two.”

Webster, 27, did not play a game for the Saints in 2020, while Dunstan played one before a season-ending pectoral injury.

 

[Rors]

Watching the r23 freo game to kill the arvo. There's so much to like for next season it's really worth another watch.
Putting 2 and 2 together, I'm thinking the GOAT's arrival has pushed Batts to defense and cost Clav his spot. Otherwise l can't make real sense of it, but it seems a reasonable scenario.

Wouldn't trade Coff. Stupid suggestion TBH

Batts and Long just nudging 60 games so another year is probably justified unless it nets a top 20 pick in one way or another.

I both love & hate that game.

Pure example of what we can do when there’s no pressure on us & no expectation.

If we fix our mental fragility, we’ll be an excellent side, but that’s far easier said than done

 

[CaptainRisky]

I’d be happy to take Naish & Lochie O’Brien for free.

Trade off Dunstan, Long & Battle for enough to get us a second 1st rounder & a number of 3rd rounders to cover Windy & Owens bids

We will end up with nothing for Luke and Long and Battle are barely best 22 with a full list , Long 3 round and battle second round picks are not going to get you a first round pick .
You just cant put 3 average players in a bag and expect to get a first rounder back

 

[Mindtraveller]

Picks 4 & 7 for picks 1 & 20

Going by Emma Quayle’s book & our player ratings list, I think we’d have ended up with DeGoey & Peter Wright if I’m not mistaken

Iirc the trade became kaput once Melbourne got awarded the compo. They were more interested in picked Brayshaw over McCartin. GWS wanted truck

 

[Jade Buddha]

I both love & hate that game.

Pure example of what we can do when there’s no pressure on us & no expectation.

If we fix our mental fragility, we’ll be an excellent side, but that’s far easier said than done

Coupled with our injuries and player issues this is the biggest conundrum. Player mental collapse was visible and the coaches seemed to be unable to arrest this.
I’m sure there were many reasons for it and perhaps looking back isn’t the better way of approaching resolving the problems.
Leadership was to me the biggest concern. I think that’s part of the animosity towards guys like Seb. They just never stood up.

 

[Rors]

We will end up with nothing for Luke and Lang and Battle are barely best 22 with a full list , Long 3 round and battle second round picks are not going to get you a first round pick .
You just cant put 3 average players in a bag and expect to get a first rounder back

It doesn’t work like that. Long & Battle are contracted & we’re content for both of them to stay, we are not forcing them out. So, if a teams want them, we will work a deal that favours us. It’s a sellers market

If a team wants Battle, I’d say they’re looking for a hit-up type forward to push up to the wings etc or as a 3rd tall defender. We have a surplus of those so his value to us is less than what his value is to another team that needs that type of player.

Any deal for those 2 will be in our favour

 

[lewdogs]

It doesn’t work like that. Long & Battle are contracted & we’re content for both of them to stay, we are not forcing them out. So, if a teams want them, we will work a deal that favours us. It’s a sellers market

If a team wants Battle, I’d say they’re looking for a hit-up type forward to push up to the wings etc or as a 3rd tall defender. We have a surplus of those so his value to us is less than what his value is to another team that needs that type of player.

Any deal for those 2 will be in our favour

I see where you're coming from but there's no way I can see us turning those players into a first rounder. We'd be lucky to turn them into a second rounder.

 

[Jade Buddha]

I see where you're coming from but there's no way I can see us turning those players into a first rounder. We'd be lucky to turn them into a second rounder.

That’s probably true LD but you just don’t know how our players are perceived by other clubs. Would have thought there was little interest in Long but that appears to be not correct.

 

[PandaG]

I tell you what the subi senior coach is interesting. He's not an ex player. Only umpired. Took the colts to their first flag in a couple of decades. Then has developed those kids into good senior players.

Reason why I bring it up on here...

He seems to have taken a new philosophy to how he utilises players. He doesn't really use them in set positions or roles. He cycles them through pretty much every line. For example Mayo went to CHB for a portion. You have guys on the HBF running through the center.

It seems to have this strong philosophy of using literally everyone across all lines.

Tbh I think it works. They just seem to find sparks from unlikely positional changes. Players seem to really round their game out development wise.

I guess it similar to how ratten had used battle.

He is very strong on mids not floating back behind the play though for cheapies. Guys like seb ross and Dunstan would not last long there.

Luke B took his coaching from st Bedes to the dogs and they won a flag with the handball game. U never know could be a change that might work, you would need to build a unique list but could be revolutionary

 

[HunterClarksCandyShop]

Dont mind dunstan to a degree but to call him a ball magnet is a bit over the top.

Magnets work in one of two ways. Some might say that Ben Long is a ball magnet too. He never touches it.

 

[PandaG]

Correct, we had Riewoldt in the twilight of his career and Tom Lee the key forward. Trading in forwards cost an arm an a leg, so we drafted the best rated one of the draft. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Not taking Petracca is indefensible.

 

[Rors]

I see where you're coming from but there's no way I can see us turning those players into a first rounder. We'd be lucky to turn them into a second rounder.

You gotta have more faith in Gags than that

2 years ago - Pick 6, Bruce & Acres (and a 2020 2nd & 3rd rounder) became Hill, Ryder, Howard, Jones & Butler, and still managed to secure Byrnes & Connolly in the draft

Gags has got tricks up his sleeve

 

[PlayerNumber9]

From gary Lyon on SEN 1 year ago

Garry Lyon read out the latest trade news from his ‘8:30am’ insider on SEN Breakfast this morning.

The report suggested St Kilda and Adelaide struck an agreement as part of Brad Crouch’s decision to join the Saints in free agency.



That deal will see the Crows take on a pair of Saints players to give salary cap relief and allow St Kilda to pay Crouch enough to grant Adelaide top-bracket compensation.

“St Kilda and the Crows got together for a deal RE: Brad Crouch to ensure Adelaide gets compensation pick number two,” Lyon read on SEN Breakfast.

The thought is the money was not high enough to give him the compensation.

“Initially the Crouch money fell under the compensation to make it happen, so the Saints bumped up his wage to get the average over $700,000, originally $550,000, which wasn’t enough.

“In turn, the Crows will take both Jimmy Webster and Luke Dunstan in exchange for a set of steak knife, late draft choices.

“The Crows are taking them off St Kilda’s salary cap, hence the upgrade for Crouch and pick two.”

Webster, 27, did not play a game for the Saints in 2020, while Dunstan played one before a season-ending pectoral injury.

I well remember all this chatter last year but at the end of the day, it was clear that no-one who understands the AFL draft rules (or has some common sense) had anything to do with such an arrangement. It was clearly draft tampering and the AFL would have called it.

So while it was reported in the mainstream media, I'm pretty comfortable to call it BS. I did back then.

Surprisingly enough, nothing came of it.

 

[George]

Not taking Petracca is indefensible.

Yeah in hindsight haha

 

[lewdogs]

You gotta have more faith in Gags than that

2 years ago - Pick 6, Bruce & Acres (and a 2020 2nd & 3rd rounder) became Hill, Ryder, Howard, Jones & Butler, and still managed to secure Byrnes & Connolly in the draft

Gags has got tricks up his sleeve

I love Gags. If he can get us another first rounder using Long and/or Battle it's statue time.

 

[PlayerNumber9]

You gotta have more faith in Gags than that

2 years ago - Pick 6, Bruce & Acres (and a 2020 2nd & 3rd rounder) became Hill, Ryder, Howard, Jones & Butler, and still managed to secure Byrnes & Connolly in the draft

Gags has got tricks up his sleeve

I'm with you on that Rors. Gags is a magician, and will pull a rabbit out of his hat - I wouldn't be surprised if that rabbit is a late first round or a second round pick. If that magic trick involves Long and/or Battle, then so be it. Don't get me wrong, I love both those guys and think they've still got plenty of upside, but you've got to give up something to get something back.

 

[Xxxx66]

Isn’t this one of the best stories of our year. A guy we all thought would be delisted without playing another game and he turns it around and shows he absolutely deserves his place.


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Yes , but I don't know about the "we all" part. Quite a few have us still had faith. The key I think, is dmac being played in a position that suits his strengths. Making quick decisions under pressure on the last line just wasn't him.