List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Mindtraveller]

Tell me if this correct , Collingwood get pick 22 , 46 , 58 and they have to use all the picks to grab Diacos - does this mean our pick in round 3 actually improves 3 spots so 49 becomes 46 - the Dogs are most likely to do the same for Darcy.

2 spots, picks below 49 will be used up in the points requirement depending on where he is bid

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Random photo of Sharman ‘2scoops’ Cooper

We could start calling him SCOOPER ....... that said on 2nd thoughts ....... it is actually a little bit tooooo close to ....... STROOPER

 

[Mat Mann]

Tell me if this correct , Collingwood get pick 22 , 46 , 58 and they have to use all the picks to grab Diacos - does this mean our pick in round 3 actually improves 3 spots so 49 becomes 46 - the Dogs are most likely to do the same for Darcy.

yes and no

Daicos and Darcy will consume picks which will move picks forwards, but also with all the NGA's and Academy players, it may just move them back as well

 

[joop]

‘ Ross gets the loose ball at half back, King is all on his own at CHF, he stops, props and kicks a beautiful mongrel out on the full on the outer side’

yeh, let’s have that guy at half back…

 

[Grav]

‘ Ross gets the loose ball at half back, King is all on his own at CHF, he stops, props and kicks a beautiful mongrel out on the full on the outer side’

yeh, let’s have that guy at half back…

Maybe he could be Left Back …….







on the bloody bench?

 

[CaptainRisky]

Random photo of Sharman ‘2scoops’ Cooper in his second game just to rejuvenate our spirits and remind ourselves of the positive recent performance of the our current talent scouts.

Are you sure that's Sharman , looks more like Skipper
Your right , it is Sharman , he just looked a lot more solid in the body that he does most times

 

[bird_man]

View attachment 1252897
Cooper Sharman leaping like Paddy Ryder in his SANFL days.

That is in his Riverina Football days actually

 

[puppy_dog7]

i worry he'll be more dunstan. One paced, only good at getting the ball.

He’s definitely not that. He’s a projected top 5 pick for a reason. Dunstan was borderline top 20

 

[puppy_dog7]

I'd prefer to find a Dusty/Petracca and have Steele be our Oliver. I see more similarity there than with Petracca. Doesn't have the dynamic agility or burst pace. Don't try and force a star contested beast into a role he's not suited to

You want a Ben Hobbs then.

 

[sunny3193]

Random photo of Sharman ‘2scoops’ Cooper in his second game just to rejuvenate our spirits and remind ourselves of the positive recent performance of the our current talent scouts.

I get the enthusiasm for this guy, and the fun we’re having with it, but I’m cautious about performances over a few games rather than a broader portfolio.
So while Sharman has had a couple of good weeks, I’m not that caught up in the hype. Same as with Hind.
Let’s see the performance over a season or two.
However…..
For all sorts of reasons, that is a great, great mark.

 

[AFLOnline]

Forum-wise

- Seb resigned
- squabble about Seb
- more squabble about Dunstan
- Billings comparisons to other players
- I got ‘champ’ed
- Gresham is Dusty/Gray/Ablett jr, but a far shitter kick
- Steele, Marshall & King untouchable
- Pies trade helps bring our later picks closer, hope dogs do the same

Lol thanks mate

 

[bird_man]

You want a Ben Hobbs then.

Hobbs is more of a Brad Crouch, although he does go forward and kick plenty of goals.

 

[gringo2011]

The moonballing stat padder?

He got his 2 years so he should be stoked.

I remember a few years back when Xavier Richards knocked back his contract extension to find a pay day, but there were no takers, so he crawled his way back to the Swans & the Swans retracted their offer & delisted him. He then spent the year next playing for UNSW

You can only dream dude.

 

[_Maximus_12]

I get the enthusiasm for this guy, and the fun we’re having with it, but I’m cautious about performances over a few games rather than a broader portfolio.
So while Sharman has had a couple of good weeks, I’m not that caught up in the hype. Same as with Hind.
Let’s see the performance over a season or two.
However…..
For all sorts of reasons, that is a great, great mark.

Hind has been pretty damn good this year. If Sharman developed that sort of consistency we’d be stoked.

 

[Minga]

Hobbs is more of a Brad Crouch, although he does go forward and kick plenty of goals.

Just a little sidenote on that. Crouch actually looked pretty dangerous in the second Geelong game this year. He had 24 disposals, but what impressed me was that he kicked two pretty crucial goals when moved forward.

I reckon next year we could see him be one of those mids that increases his scoring average. Would definitely add another aspect to his game, I thought he did a bloody good/consistent job this year anyway. Same with Higgins. Outstanding pick ups that don’t get enough credit in my book.

 

[Mowman]

I get the enthusiasm for this guy, and the fun we’re having with it, but I’m cautious about performances over a few games rather than a broader portfolio.
So while Sharman has had a couple of good weeks, I’m not that caught up in the hype. Same as with Hind.
Let’s see the performance over a season or two.
However…..
For all sorts of reasons, that is a great, great mark.

I’m just enjoying a young draft pick that has had a very good 1st 4 games and 10 goals . As good 1st 4 games from anyone we have drafted in many years looks a natural footballer and yet amazingly it has been suggested by some to trade him out #madness

 

[gringo2011]

No one knows what happened and blaming the club all the time might not be correct.

I just don't want to go backwards next year. The last few years we've been very active bringing in players trying to to bridge the gap. This year is the first year we are actually shedding good players with only internal improvement to bridge the gap. To be better next year we need to improve by probably 10% to slip into the 8 while staving off the other sides around our level also trying to move up.

The positives next year are....
King should be better and closer to what he put up late in the year and hopefully Sharman should be carrying on his form.
The injury list should be smaller.
The draw favours us after finishing low on the ladder.
The players we need to come on should develop now that they are getting games.

Experience says that....
We'll have our most important players injured.
Seb Ross and Jack Billings will still be in our best players.
The AFL will find a way to make our draw look like it should belong to a top 4 side.
Our kids will walk around like rockstars without putting in the work.

 

[Joffaboy]

I’m just enjoying a young draft pick that has had a very good 1st 4 games and 10 goals . As good 1st 4 games from anyone we have drafted in many years looks a natural footballer and yet amazingly it has been suggested by some to trade him out #madness

Surely not. Sharman, as you say looks like a natural footballer, but lets cut him some slack, needs a big pre season, then some regular games. He may go backwards next year, but the thing is he is a natural footballer and he wont lose that.

Eade, as his former coach said that Cooper is compliant and will do whatever the coach asks. So compliant that he sometimes deferred to the other forwards, still a bit unsure of his place in a team. He must have been told to go for whatever he wants to as he took some pretty impressive contested marks.
If he continues down that path he will b a weapon with King and Membrey taking the key backs. We are having a bit of fun with the hype, hopefully everyone knows it is hype and the young man needs some slack cut over the next season or two as he learns his craft at the top level.

 

[Mowman]

Surely not. Sharman, as you say looks like a natural footballer, but lets cut him some slack, needs a big pre season, then some regular games. He may go backwards next year, but the thing is he is a natural footballer and he wont lose that.

Eade, as his former coach said that Cooper is compliant and will do whatever the coach asks. So compliant that he sometimes deferred to the other forwards, still a bit unsure of his place in a team. He must have been told to go for whatever he wants to as he took some pretty impressive contested marks.
If he continues down that path he will b a weapon with King and Membrey taking the key backs. We are having a bit of fun with the hype, hopefully everyone knows it is hype and the young man needs some slack cut over the next season or two as he learns his craft at the top level.

Yep I just hope we are not to cautious with him, I can see Ratts playing him at Sandy just because
We need to back some youngsters in next year Bytel. Sharman Byrnes Connelly

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Watson and Lyon talking about a whisper of Dawson being involved with a discussion around pick 17 (Richmond?), involving Adelaide, Sydney, St Kilda and whoever the owner of that pick is. Anyone heard any more?

 

[Joffaboy]

I just don't want to go backwards next year. The last few years we've been very active bringing in players trying to to bridge the gap. This year is the first year we are actually shedding good players with only internal improvement to bridge the gap. To be better next year we need to improve by probably 10% to slip into the 8 while staving off the other sides around our level also trying to move up.

The positives next year are....
King should be better and closer to what he put up late in the year and hopefully Sharman should be carrying on his form.
The injury list should be smaller.
The draw favours us after finishing low on the ladder.
The players we need to come on should develop now that they are getting games.

Experience says that....
We'll have our most important players injured.
Seb Ross and Jack Billings will still be in our best players.
The AFL will find a way to make our draw look like it should belong to a top 4 side.
Our kids will walk around like rockstars without putting in the work.

Understandable, but maybe hold off until after the trade period to say we are losing good players. We have kept Billings and Ross, and lost Dunstan so far.

Maybe trade
Long who is attracting losts of interest
Battle who has a fair bit of interest
Coffield, extremely unlikely
Clark - lol

We are looking at a few to cover those losses. Don't think we are losing too much experience.

If we have a good year with injuries it will be hard to gauge how far our development progresses, conversly the injury hit 2021 had us getting games into the likes of Connelly, Byrnes, Highmore, Bytel, and Sharman.

For better or worse the club is hellbent on Ben King. I understand why, but to get something you need to give something. The give part is that next year is hamstringing our TPP and trading this year. Maybe a good thing as we hit the draft, maybe with two FRDP's and hopefully two NGA's. That would be a good haul.

If we do get the development, and the kids for a year, then land King and maybe another experienced trade (maybe a FA or something) we will be looking good in 23.

If it blows up, well gringo you will haave plenty of fodder.

 

[gringo2011]

Understandable, but maybe hold off until after the trade period to say we are losing good players. We have kept Billings and Ross, and lost Dunstan so far.

Maybe trade
Long who is attracting losts of interest
Battle who has a fair bit of interest
Coffield, extremely unlikely
Clark - lol

We are looking at a few to cover those losses. Don't think we are losing too much experience.

If we have a good year with injuries it will be hard to gauge how far our development progresses, conversly the injury hit 2021 had us getting games into the likes of Connelly, Byrnes, Highmore, Bytel, and Sharman.

For better or worse the club is hellbent on Ben King. I understand why, but to get something you need to give something. The give part is that next year is hamstringing our TPP and trading this year. Maybe a good thing as we hit the draft, maybe with two FRDP's and hopefully two NGA's. That would be a good haul.

If we do get the development, and the kids for a year, then land King and maybe another experienced trade (maybe a FA or something) we will be looking good in 23.

If it blows up, well gringo you will haave plenty of fodder.

I'm traumatised by the trade period. My PTSD kicks in at this time of year.

 

[Joffaboy]

I'm traumatised by the trade period. My PTSD kicks in at this time of year.

Trade period has always been OK, draft time is my PTSD crisis period

 

[bird_man]

Watson and Lyon talking about a whisper of Dawson being involved with a discussion around pick 17 (Richmond?), involving Adelaide, Sydney, St Kilda and whoever the owner of that pick is. Anyone heard any more?

Dogs own that pick.

Not sure how we could get involved?

I suggested on the Dawsonbturead that Adelaide give their 2nd and 3rd for 17 and on trade it to the swans for Dawson.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Trade period has always been OK, draft time is my PTSD crisis period

Trade & Draft period is fine, its March to August that requires me to self medicate.


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