List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

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13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


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List & Contract Status

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Joffaboy]

How many game would Xerri play next year if we don't have injuries?

3 or 4 maybe? Ryder will need to be rested, Marshall can't ruck for 22 games straight.

Break glass only

 

[pebblesofsand]

Maybe Joey and all the Trade nuffies are right if all we have to talk about is Xerri Cola.

She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said
Lola L-O-L-A, Lola
La-la-la-la Lola

 

[bird_man]

At last a decent response .. go the same route as we got Marshall. Do the research and look to the rookie draft. Amazing how many quality players have come out of that draft over the years.

How is picking up a player we rate that has shown terrific form at VFL level any different to picking up a player we rate that has shown form at state level via the rookie draft?

What if we believe Xerri at 22 is a better option then the young rucks in the state league?

It's just as amazing how many players leave clubs for opportunities and end up having very good careers.

 

[sammm]

It is disingenuous to make comparisons like that. The same comparison can be made for all the ruckmen who did not make it in the AFL, Lewis Pierce for example.

And we gave him 5 years I think.

 

[AFLOnline]

Are we making a play at Jaeger?

 

[gringo2011]

How many game would Xerri play next year if we don't have injuries?

3 or 4 maybe? Ryder will need to be rested, Marshall can't ruck for 22 games straight.

Break glass only

I think he's more a longer term project at that age. We had old Paddy and Punter, young in Heath, Marshall in the mid career range but if we don't get another project ruck slightly more advanced we will be constantly finding fill in options. This gives us a spread of age and experience.

 

[Mr_R0b0t]

At last a decent response .. go the same route as we got Marshall. Do the research and look to the rookie draft. Amazing how many quality players have come out of that draft over the years.

Like who? Given the football department has staff Australia wide

 

[gringo2011]

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I was defending Ray but he's just got very unappealing all of a sudden.

 

[Jade Buddha]

I think Ray already did that. I think you should keep your comments to yourself.

In an opinion forum? Que?

 

[lewdogs]

Coleman-Jones is a Marshall type with some real upside, he was rated as potential first round pick and partially developed. I can see why Xerri is getting the arse.

Ruckmen are a funny position because you can only have one or two on the field and they generally take a long time to develop. Ditching a decent young one seems very strange.

I suspect that North will want a fair bit for Xerri, probably a second round pick, a third at the least. If he does want to come to us it could drag out until late and maybe not get done. For one, surely they wouldn't trade him out without first securing Coleman-Jones.

Anyway I stand by my statement I think it's weird for them to be getting rid of him if it happens.

 

[gringo2011]

Are we making a play at Jaeger?

Doubt it.

 

[sammm]

Dunstan has a choice between Essendon and Freo, he’d like to play at Essendon as he wants to stay in Melbourne, but sees more playing time at Freo and really close mate Blake is there.. Not sure what kind of Trade will be involved if any..

Ahhh Jonny numbers aka flamingo aka anything else is back again

 

[Ray of Sunshine]

How is picking up a player we rate that has shown terrific form at VFL level any different to picking up a player we rate that has shown form at state level via the rookie draft?

What if we believe Xerri at 22 is a better option then the young rucks in the state league?

It's just as amazing how many players leave clubs for opportunities and end up having very good careers.

OMG ... where does this 'terrific form' myth come from? One impressive game against a team that lies at twentieth place on the VFL ladder. It is equally true that players change clubs and do nothing at their next club.

 

[bird_man]

Ruckmen are a funny position because you can only have one or two on the field and they generally take a long time to develop. Ditching a decent young one seems very strange.

I suspect that North will want a fair bit for Xerri, probably a second round pick, a third at the least. If he does want to come to us it could drag out until late and maybe not get done. For one, surely they wouldn't trade him out without first securing Coleman-Jones.

Anyway I stand by my statement I think it's weird for them to be getting rid of him if it happens.

Can't see how they could possibly ask for a 2nd rounder when they look likely to get CCJ for a 3rd rounder after he signed a 4 year deal and has obviously been told he'll be playing seniors.

 

[Joffaboy]

Why don't you just ignore him, the pile on that happens to anyone that doesn't drink the Kool-aid is embarrassing. He's a frustrated fan venting.

Why are you so upset with other not adhering to what they termed hysterical opinions? Are they supposed to agree with every single thing posted here?

Personally I think it was silly to use Melbourne as an example since they picked up Daw.
Everyone complained about Hunter. Everyone complained sbout McKernan We have Paddy for a year, Marshall getting to his sweet spot and a developing ruck in Heath.
We pick up insurance in a young ruck and we are told basically the recruiting team should be sacked.
So most people who know a bit about our list object, and we now get accusations of a pile on.
Thought you could have your own opinion but also thought it could be challenged.
Obviously you can only be negative all the time according to some.
A bit sad really.

 

[gringo2011]

OMG ... where does this 'terrific form' myth come from? One impressive game against a team that lies at twentieth place on the VFL ladder. It is equally true that players change clubs and do nothing at their next club.

The had Draper right so I'm just going to hope that this is a master stroke where they've pulled something out of their arse like Sharman.

 

[kernelT]

 

[gringo2011]

Why are you so upset with other not adhering to what they termed hysterical opinions? Are they supposed to agree with every single thing posted here?

Personally I think it was silly to use Melbourne as an example since they picked up Daw.
Everyone complained about Hunter. Everyone complained sbout McKernan We have Paddy for a year, Marshall getting to his sweet spot and a developing ruck in Heath.
We pick up insurance in a young ruck and we are told basically the recruiting team should be sacked.
So most people who know a bit about our list object, and we now get accusations of a pile on.
Thought you could have your own opinion but also thought it could be challenged.
Obviously you can only be negative all the time according to some.
A bit sad really.

The histrionic will inherit the earth. It's in the bible. We are god's people.

 

[bird_man]

OMG ... where does this 'terrific form' myth come from? One impressive game against a team that lies at twentieth place on the VFL ladder. It is equally true that players change clubs and do nothing at their next club.

6 VFL games

2 named best on for North

1 named 2nd best best on for North

I'd call that pretty good.

Yes it's true some leave clubs but don't make it, but if that's your argument for every player moving clubs because they can't get a game, then we wouldn't have some of our better recruits.

Using the same argument I could say there are plenty of players taken from the rookie draft that never play a game...

 

[JediSaint]

They’re even struggling to find room for casboult or mason Cox.. so we would have to pay battles wage in this scenario for 1 season which I would personally be alright with given it is a generous pick swap which doesn’t dilute our hand next year.

Would you pay 200-300k (Battles salary) of the TPP for pick 27 (what Battle is valued at in that trade scenario)? Probably not every year but this year I would especially when we end up with 14 and 18

That would be a great outcome. lets hope this happens

 

[BrutThough]

OMG ... where does this 'terrific form' myth come from? One impressive game against a team that lies at twentieth place on the VFL ladder. It is equally true that players change clubs and do nothing at their next club.

So we don't try Xerri - who cant be any worse than our current back-up options - because some players who get traded dont go on to be any good?

The best case scenario is we bring this guy in and he never plays a game. But we need someone like him just in case. We saw this year that we needed to try someone else in the back up position. This is better than rolling into next season with the same thing that failed this year.

If it's not Xerri, it is an equally underwhelming, unknown and cheap tall person because that's all you are going to get to come sit behind two ruckman the quality of Ryder and Marshall

 

[Saint_Dos]

You do realise Melbourne took Majak Daw last year.

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And Mitch Brown the year before

 

[Joffaboy]

Wow, slow trade week when we carry on about a nothing pick back up ruck.

Night all.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Are you suggesting we take a KP at #11 just so he can be back up behind Roma & Paddy?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I reckon we might have taken our 'decade type' ruckman during the mid season draft. Just need another big body to play while he's developing.

Let's see what happens with this Xerri situation. The reality is that North have gone after Coleman-Jones and in doing so they seem to be forcing Xerri out. I think that's a really strange move by North especially considering that Coleman-Jones will cost a bit and Goldstein isn't getting any younger, and Coleman-Jones has mainly shown something as a forward not a ruck.

This might be a good opportunity to get a decent young ruckman for next to nothing. 21 is so young for a ruck. We also have Heath who we drafted who is 18. I think getting in Xerri would give us a good age mix in our ruck division.

Definitely not suggesting we take a ruck at 11. Am still hoping that Heath in the MSD could be our decade type. Fair point about just support for him. Xerri takes Mckernan’s spot and in the VFL allows us to still play 2 rucks without compromising the structure. Starting to come around to the idea. Just hope he doesn’t cost too much as I’ve still got my hope that this will be a very strong and defining year for us in the draft

 

[Sarcoidevo]