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Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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Mofra said:
He might be referring to Sean Darcy, who would be about as untouchable for Freo as Naughton is for us.
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The Double Darcy show.
Yeah, what Mofra said, Sean Darcy, would be a pipe-dream for us but would be an incredible addition to our list.
 
Via HS Salary Cap Article
WESTERN BULLDOGS
What’s your club’s cap space: The grand finalists have some room to move in their salary cap, aided a fair bit by Collingwood still having to pay some of Adam Treloar’s salary. Four big-name Bulldogs will fall out of contract at the end of 2022: Bailey Smith, Jack Macrae, Caleb Daniel and Tim English.

What they need to do: Out of those four, re-signing Smith is probably the No.1 priority. Smith looms as the AFL’s next superstar, at least from a commercial standpoint. Given that Luke Beveridge seems to like English as a forward, so adding another ruckman is a likely scenario, with Stef Martin having one more year tops in him. They convinced Jordon Sweet to stick around despite rival interest.

Trade in: Hawthorn’s Jon Ceglar is the leading ruck option to come in and the Bulldogs would get him cheap, with the Hawks willing to pay some of his salary.

Trade out: Patrick Lipinski will go to Collingwood, while Lewis Young has landed at Carlton in a three-club deal that saw Sam Petrevski-Seton join the Eagles and pick 52 go to the Dogs. Vice-captain Mitch Wallis looks likely to remain at the Kennel. – Simeon Thomas-Wilson
 
I would do it if we got McEnvoy for a few years and was able to draft Conway.
 

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Thanks for the posters who are willing to share what they have heard thus far. My two cents on today’s updates…

Unless Sean Darcy comes back the other way there is no way I see the English trade scenario playing out. Points get consumed by young Sam Darcy and leaves us with zero ruck depth which is already an issue, and secondly no cover for Bruce. Power would flat out say no. We’re not letting Tim go to only get in a Ceglar type. A Ceglar type is to compliment Tim not replace him.

I think Tim will eventually become an A grade ruck. Just needs time and confidence.
 
Golden_6 said:
Not that I think English is leaving but why is that career suicide? He gets a massive secure 5 year contract to move home and be closer to his partner in the short term.

Is he further away from a flag at Freo? Absolutely but one could argue that given Freo have a dominant number 1 ruckman and that he’ll be able to play in his ideal role, he may flourish as a player. He might be further away from team success but as an individual player it’s not a bad situation at all.
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Freo regularly has players asking to leave. They regularly fail/choke on field. They are going nowhere.
 
TommyD13 said:
Long term would love to see English rucking, with Naughton, Ugle-Hagan and Darcy hanging around in the forward line
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I can't ever see English as a first ruck, back up? Yeah, second ruck? One of the best. First? no.
 
Virgin Dog said:
Why though? WA have proven to be better at dealing with outbreaks so far, and the vaccination rates aren't much lower currently.

50.1% fully vaxed vs 55.6% in Vic. If I were a player I'd be betting on WA being less likely to get overwhelmed by outbreaks
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I'm thinking more about their risk aversion.

When Delta hits they may go very hard on lockdowns while the East coast is opening up, despite still having outbreaks.

I was there in May when they had a lockdown and it was far worse than even melbourne rules.

(In this thread because it relates to people thinking WA will be paradise next year for Tim English).
 
Testekill said:
I have never seen it work, generally it sets the club back years and makes them even less competitive in the short term.
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The last Hawks Dynasty was built when they used the same scorched earth policy. Traded Hay, Croad, etc. They got Hodge and Mitchell IIRC
 

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This Hawthorn clean-out reminds me of Ross Lyon talking about elephants:




We underestimate how crucial guys like Grant, West, Smith and Darcy in 2002-2004, and Minson, Matty Boyd, Gia, Morris in 2012-2014 were in keeping the club together during tough times and showing what standards the next generation needed to meet. Imagine if we had traded a few of those older heads out at those stages for some secondary draft currency.

Many will laugh at the analogy, but Ross is right. If they cut too deep here and don't have enough leaders and role models to show the next generation of players the way, many of those young players may end up terrorizing villages in Africa.
 

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bullish23 said:
I think Tim will eventually become an A grade ruck. Just needs time and confidence.
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English isn’t going to become the no. 1 ruck, he’ll be a no. 2 that floats around the ground imo, if he was going to become that first choice ruck he’d be looking a lot better than what he does atm
 
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