Traded Patrick Lipinski traded to Collingwood for Pick #43

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Pick 55 or better for Max Lynch gets us back there (if it came to that).

Hawks will trade Ceglar and probably get a late 30's/early 40's pick for him factoring in the 50% salary coverage.

Then the Hawks take that pick and they slide some picks around with the pies for Lynch with the late 30's/early 40's + Hawthorn's 59 & 65 potentially to upgrade points for the pies and the hawks are unlikely to need pick 59/65 once all the trading is done and dusted due to list spots.
 
I don't think it will hurt at all, Nth have zero interest in Lipinski, as much as the Dogs, media and BF would like them to.

Could change there mind after getting the Jones Trade Done
 
The Tarrant/Coleman Jones has really Hurt Collingwood Chances

How? Nth have no interest in Lipinksi, they are about to take the best mid in the draft along with last year's crop and Cunnington, Simpkin and Anderson.

They are no chance of taking Lipinksi.
 

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Ok but it’s not our job to sort out your list needs.

Why didn’t you ask for a higher pick for Young?

Why are you asking for more than double for Lipinski than you did for Young?

Lapinski is wayyy better than Young. Young should have been traded for a pick upgrade and we would have been fine with that.
 

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If the mooted trade of Pies pick 27 for Tigers 38 & 40 comes to fruition the two clubs will definitely come to a solution.

If Dogs want 36 and Pies want to give 58 I reckon 43 in the middle would be fair.

If we can do the Lip to Dogs for 43 and then get 38 & 40 in from Tigers after that I'll be happy.
 
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If the mooted trade of Pies pick 27 for Tigers 38 & 40 comes to fruition the two clubs will definitely come to a solution.

If Dogs want 36 and Pies want to give 58 I reckon 43 in the middle would be fair.

If we can do the Lip to Dogs for 43 and then get 38 & 40 in from Tigers after that I'll be happy.
I thought the Doggies are holding out for pick 43, not pick 36. I still reckon it’ll be one of/both the picks in the 50s.
 

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I think this will more likely end up a pick upgrade rather than a straight swap as we will be limited with list spots. We will basically just say get us 2-300 points, and because both teams picks will be eaten up it won't matter too much what picks they are.
 
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We can’t trade pick 36 to WBD as it’s their pick. You’re not allowed to trade a clubs pick ‘directly’ back to them. Happy to be corrected on this.

Pick 27 should in no way be traded. Keep it for draft night, in case of an out of no where NM pick one bid on Nick Daicos. If no bid at one, flick pick 27 for a 2022 2nd rounder which restores a pick in each round of the 2022 draft.

WBD do not need this trade to get Darcy points. They easily trade pick 23 for 2 picks gaining the 244 points needed for the expected bid at pick 2.

No news is good news as far as the Pies go. He’s uncontracted.
 
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We can’t trade pick 36 to WBD as it’s their pick. You’re not allowed to trade a clubs pick ‘directly’ back to them. Happy to be corrected on this.

Pick 27 should in no way be traded. Keep it for draft night, in case of an out of no where NM pick one bid on Nick Daicos. If no bid at one, flick pick 27 for a 2022 2nd rounder which restores a pick in each round of the 2022 draft.

WBD do not need this trade to get Darcy points. They easily trade pick 23 for 2 picks gaining the 244 points needed for the expected bid at pick 2.

No news is good news as far as the Pies go. He’s uncontracted.
You’re forgetting list spots. We can’t just keep splitting picks.
 

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We can’t trade pick 36 to WBD as it’s their pick. You’re not allowed to trade a clubs pick ‘directly’ back to them. Happy to be corrected on this.

Pick 27 should in no way be traded. Keep it for draft night, in case of an out of no where NM pick one bid on Nick Daicos. If no bid at one, flick pick 27 for a 2022 2nd rounder which restores a pick in each round of the 2022 draft.

WBD do not need this trade to get Darcy points. They easily trade pick 23 for 2 picks gaining the 244 points needed for the expected bid at pick 2.

No news is good news as far as the Pies go. He’s uncontracted.
Pretty sure we can take 36 back. It's just that you can't do it during live trading during the same draft. I'd say it's 36 for Lipsinki and 52.
 
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You’re forgetting list spots. We can’t just keep splitting picks.
I’m not sure how many list spots you have but you only currently have 4 picks. If you only have 4 list spots, thus 4 picks in the draft, once the bid is received on draft night, I’m sure you can then split pick 23 for whatever you want, knowing whatever picks/points are left over from the bid match, will be realigned to your vacant list spots. If it’s a Richmond trade, they obviously need the list spots to take the relevant picks to the draft.
 
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Pretty sure we can take 36 back. It's just that you can't do it during live trading during the same draft. I'd say it's 36 for Lipsinki and 52.
I can’t see us doing that as it takes us below the 2,400 points needed for a pick one bid. That was our main goal for this trade period to avoid impacting our 2022 1st rounder, hence why we sorted it on day one when we could have done better, if we held fire for a bit.

The melts on the Collingwood board if that did happen would be funny though.
 
Pretty sure we can take 36 back. It's just that you can't do it during live trading during the same draft. I'd say it's 36 for Lipsinki and 52.
Not a chance. We won’t make a trade that compromises our hand enough that we can’t match a bid at pick 1 on Daicos if it eventuates.
Pies have already done the work to get their points, the dogs can do some work and make some extra pick trades after the fact if we give up a couple of later picks to you guys.
 

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Not a chance. We won’t make a trade that compromises our hand enough that we can’t match a bid at pick 1 on Daicos if it eventuates.
Pies have already done the work to get their points, the dogs can do some work and make some extra pick trades after the fact if we give up a couple of later picks to you guys.
A couple of later picks? This would be less points. About the equivalent of pick 52 itself, so only about 40 points more than 55.

It would also drop your total points from 2593 to 2337. So even with a bid at pick 1 (which is looking unlikely) a deficit of 63 points wouldn't affect your 2022 first rounder unless you finished in the top 8.

The only potential complicating factor is you would need 7 open list spots to use all the picks you have, and I have no idea if that is possible.

Anyway, that means that Lipinski and 52 for 36 would:
* Mean you still have enough points for a pick 1 bid for Daicos without affecting your 2022 first rounder
* Mean we still only need 4 list spots to match a bid for Darcy at Pick 2 (any more and we would need to delist both Stef Martin and Mitch Wallis)
 
Tom Phillips was a salary dump. He was otherwise worth more than Pick 65.

I say this being completely genuine - Lipinski will play every game for you next year. He's a good player. He's not just a stopgap for those other players - it's more likely that next time the Pies are competing for finals, Lipinski will play a part of that. A lot of focus in this thread is on his lack of pace and poor defensive efforts, and not enough on his beautiful kicking and movement in congestion with ball in hand. There is a lot of upside to Lipinski, I just don't see him finding a role in our side given the fact our midfield already contains multiple players who are not particularly fast (Libba, Dunkley, Macrae) or poor defensively (Smith, Treloar). That doesn't mean he isn't an AFL quality player, it's just that he needs to move somewhere that he can have the opportunity to showcase his talent.
I think thats fair and he will be a role player in the mould of a Tom Phillips (probably a little behind Tom overall). Can play a lot of AFL footy but not a star. Start of the week I was thinking a pick in the 40's sounded fair. Can see it might end in the 50's (53,58). No one will get screwed and no one will win big. He seems a classic AFL journeyman in the making, a player we all need filling out as list but not that hard to find.
 
A couple of later picks? This would be less points. About the equivalent of pick 52 itself, so only about 40 points more than 55.

It would also drop your total points from 2593 to 2337. So even with a bid at pick 1 (which is looking unlikely) a deficit of 63 points wouldn't affect your 2022 first rounder unless you finished in the top 8.

The only potential complicating factor is you would need 7 open list spots to use all the picks you have, and I have no idea if that is possible.
And you just answered the reason why we won’t give up 36. Opening up 7 list spots completely and utterly compromises our list. I’m aware that you guys have the same issue and that’s why you want the earlier pick, but frankly, that’s not Collingwoods problem. We can provide you with points, it’s up to the dogs to get another party involved or orchestrate a separate trade if you need those points condensed in to less picks.
Anyway, that means that Lipinski and 52 for 36 would:
* Mean you still have enough points for a pick 1 bid for Daicos without affecting your 2022 first rounder
* Mean we still only need 4 list spots to match a bid for Darcy at Pick 2 (any more and we would need to delist both Stef Martin and Mitch Wallis)
Except as you said, we’d have to open 7 list spots. Why would we do that just so you guys don’t have to? Especially since we can just grab Pat in the PSD if a deal isn’t reached?
 

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And you just answered the reason why we won’t give up 36. Opening up 7 list spots completely and utterly compromises our list. I’m aware that you guys have the same issue and that’s why you want the earlier pick, but frankly, that’s not Collingwoods problem. We can provide you with points, it’s up to the dogs to get another party involved or orchestrate a separate trade if you need those points condensed in to less picks.

Except as you said, we’d have to open 7 list spots. Why would we do that just so you guys don’t have to? Especially since we can just grab Pat in the PSD if a deal isn’t reached?
Yeah I looked at Footy wire and it seemed you may have the spots, but as I said I'm not sure myself.

Sounds like everyone is on the same page with the value in a points perspective, it's just list spots. I can see two later picks and Lynch being traded to Hawthorn for an earlier selection which may help.
 
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Yeah I looked at Footy wire and it seemed you may have the spots, but as I said I'm not sure myself.

Sounds like everyone is on the same page with the value in a points perspective, it's just list spots. I can see two later picks and Lynch being traded to Hawthorn for an earlier selection which may help.
If it’s list spots WBD are concerned about we could do picks 36 & 48 for PL + picks 44 & 52. Same number of picks and an additional 196 points and we dip around 3 points under 2,400, which won’t impact our 2022 1st rounder.

Much also depends if we wish to keep points for our NGA guy Youseef Dib, who we’ve put a fair bit of time into.
 

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If it’s list spots WBD are concerned about we could do picks 36 & 48 for PL + picks 44 & 52. Same number of picks and an additional 196 points and we dip around 3 points under 2,400, which won’t impact our 2022 1st rounder.

Much also depends if we wish to keep points for our NGA guy Youseef Dib, who we’ve put a fair bit of time into.
Key thing here is that the Doggie's list issues are not ours to solve - as you said sometime ago, it's 58, end of story. I'm not certain that the Pies want to go to the draft with 7 spots free, I'd prefer to keep say, Lynch and not use use Pick 58.
 

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If it’s list spots WBD are concerned about we could do picks 36 & 48 for PL + picks 44 & 52. Same number of picks and an additional 196 points and we dip around 3 points under 2,400, which won’t impact our 2022 1st rounder.

Much also depends if we wish to keep points for our NGA guy Youseef Dib, who we’ve put a fair bit of time into.
Maybe Wright is wanting to go into the draft with some flexibility by keeping the higher picks we have to package and trade on the night in the event that a bid for Daicos slides.
 
Key thing here is that the Doggie's list issues are not ours to solve - as you said sometime ago, it's 58, end of story. I'm not certain that the Pies want to go to the draft with 7 spots free, I'd prefer to keep say, Lynch and not use use Pick 58.
Everyone agrees that WB list management isn't Collingwood's problem.

And all WB and Collingwood's reason for not offering more or accepting what is offered are valid and true.

It may not happen, but the only advantage this trade has is time. There is nothing to be gained now when there is a remote possibility that both trading parties constraint can't be unleashed as part of another trade.

Just be patient.
 
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