List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

GWS Goose · Oct 13, 2021

Ichabod Noodle said:
He either wants to go to Melbourne (the city) for personal/family reasons or just Essendon for what? money?

If it’s to be close to his cousin, why not ask for a trade to St Kilda? that’s where his cousin is.

This has the stink of a manager pouring poison into his ear.

I think the issue was that we wanted to see what shape he came back in for pre-season before extending, that scared him, and wanted to lock up a contract soon as possible.

Giant Strides · Oct 13, 2021

Ichabod Noodle said:
He either wants to go to Melbourne (the city) for personal/family reasons or just Essendon for what? money?

If it’s to be close to his cousin, why not ask for a trade to St Kilda? that’s where his cousin is.

This has the stink of a manager pouring poison into his ear.

Yep, clearly if he wanted simply to be in Victoria, his manager would have had the clubs lined up with their offers to him AND the club, and from day 1 of trade worked from top to bottom.

Basically, s**t or get off the nest & next one up.

Giant Strides · Oct 13, 2021

Jazzy21 said:
What a sad situation Hawks willing to pay full freight for two players to play for us yet they say no thanks. We must be on the nose as a club.

Makes it hard players leaving and no free agents will join us. The only players that stay are offered 5-10 year contracts on inflated dollars.

The issues include the non-playing elements ($) that players can get in AFL states, especially Victoria. Then for older, married with kids players, family/school considerations. But, if players want to move for more money or opportunity they'll put up with that stuff in a flash. So, yes, it does tell of a reluctance to come to us. However, it's not necessarily that GWS is on the nose. The salary cap is tight, so they won't get overs, the cost of living is higher here than elsewhere etc. (That's where Vic/SA/WA clubs bleating about COLA being unfair are taking the piss because it simply helps them to be more competitive in contracts than Swans or GWS.)

bossman111 · Oct 13, 2021

Giant Strides said:
The issues include the non-playing elements ($) that players can get in AFL states, especially Victoria. Then for older, married with kids players, family/school considerations. But, if players want to move for more money or opportunity they'll put up with that stuff in a flash. So, yes, it does tell of a reluctance to come to us. However, it's not necessarily that GWS is on the nose. The salary cap is tight, so they won't get overs, the cost of living is higher here than elsewhere etc. (That's where Vic/SA/WA clubs bleating about COLA being unfair are taking the piss because it simply helps them to be more competitive in contracts than Swans or GWS.)

You'd think that convincing guys to move up here is a several month long exercise, doesn't help when a manager creates a hole in your list with four days to go in trade period and you start scrambling for options

Giant Strides · Oct 13, 2021

bossman111 said:
You'd think that convincing guys to move up here is a several month long exercise, doesn't help when a manager creates a hole in your list with four days to go in trade period and you start scrambling for options

Exactly.

Again, a miscalculation from Bobby, his manager & Dodoro.

The problem is that they're so arrogant and try to win everything rather than look for a win-win situation.

But back to the Hawks, one thing that our requests revealed is that Hawks didn't really talk to their players and get an understanding of what message should be sent out. If that was a ''limited firesale'' (i.e. players willing to be traded only to clubs in Victoria) then that needed to be clearly stated up front. Of course, it should not stop us simply asking the question - that's fair enough.

bossman111 · Oct 13, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Exactly.

Again, a miscalculation from Bobby, his manager & Dodoro.

The problem is that they're so arrogant and try to win everything rather than look for a win-win situation.

But back to the Hawks, one thing that our requests revealed is that Hawks didn't really talk to their players and get an understanding of what message should be sent out. If that was a ''limited firesale'' (i.e. players willing to be traded only to clubs in Victoria) then that needed to be clearly stated up front. Of course, it should not stop us simply asking the question - that's fair enough.

100% agree, you have to put yourself in the hunt, rather do that and figure out the lay of the land than sit back and do nothing

Orange crush · Oct 13, 2021

Bobby and his management gave us no wiggle room.... still we sought tWo players as replacements so we could let Bobby go .... think the club did it’s upmost and Bobby needs to suck it up .... it’s a s**t sandwich but he provided the filling

Hendo_21 · Oct 13, 2021

Makes things very interesting, would call him on his bluff and see if he's serious about sitting out

SnusCG · Oct 13, 2021

Charlie Cameron deal probably needs to be the baseline for this one. If I were you guys I'd hold him unless Essendon offer a future 1st.

Contracted former pick 24 who has only increased in value and clearly some shady stuff has gone with him requesting Essendon. Completely up to them to pay overs if they want him.

Orange crush · Oct 13, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Makes things very interesting, would call him on his bluff and see if he's serious about sitting out

Let him sit out .... no one will touch him afterwards

Giant Strides · Oct 13, 2021

Bit of a temper tantrum - what's he said to the club that he wants to go to? They hold his fate in their hands, they have to get the trade done.

bossman111 · Oct 13, 2021

Young giving an interview now on Trade Radio

Basically said Bobby has been trying to leave from day one

Orange crush · Oct 13, 2021

bossman111 said:
Young giving an interview now on Trade Radio

Basically said Bobby has been trying to leave from day one

Farking lol

GWS Goose · Oct 13, 2021

bossman111 said:
Young giving an interview now on Trade Radio

Basically said Bobby has been trying to leave from day one

Which day 1??
Of his contract of this trade period?

Hendo_21 · Oct 13, 2021

If they can convince Breust then this will probably get done. If only we had a solution to Sydneys higher cost of living.

Colonial · Oct 13, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
If they can convince Breust then this will probably get done. If only we had a solution to Sydneys higher cost of living.

Holy s**t did the VFL media just confirm Cost of living exists? He will be fired shortly and his tweet deleted.

bossman111 · Oct 13, 2021

GWS Goose said:
Which day 1??
Of his contract of this trade period?

He said something along the lines of he's been wanting to go to Melbourne for a while, he tried to organise a trade 18 months ago to Hawthorn

This story is all over the place

Colonial · Oct 13, 2021

bossman111 said:
He said something along the lines of he's been wanting to go to Melbourne for a while, he tried to organise a trade 18 months ago to Hawthorn

This story is all over the place

He was trying to get an extension a month ago. 3 year deal.
But the Giants supposedly wanted to see what he would come back from Xmas like fitness wise.
Next thing you know bombers have a 4 year deal and he has always wanted out of Sydney

JoinDate · Oct 13, 2021

I don't particularly want Hill at Collingwood given how much he's likely to cost, but I hope you guys don't fold unless you get a suitable deal.

You/we called his bluff on 'compassionate' grounds. Not a big fan of players using this loophole then nominating a particular club.

Colonial · Oct 13, 2021

Colonial · Oct 13, 2021

Colonial · Oct 13, 2021

Orange crush · Oct 13, 2021

Hats off to McCartney on this one ....

Colonial · Oct 13, 2021

Colonial · Oct 13, 2021

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