Mandatory Vaccinations And Medical Exemptions

[owen87]

Are you going to address the data I posted?

Just say no if you don’t want to.

Or you can keep playing the man, I don’t mind either way.

Nah, I'm leaving it to someone else like HTT who appears to be more willing to waste their time on what I'm almost certain is you posting data in misleading ways.

Meanwhile, yes, I'll point out that you're a moron, so that anyone else reading this thread isn't tricked in to thinking anything you post should be taken seriously. You're clearly too far down the rabbit hole, the reader may not yet be beyond saving from having to check under their bed for communists every night.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

You communists get so personal when somebody wants to live their own life and make their own decisions.

I guess that’s in your nature though.

To a communist it's 'our life' - you need to use your life pay for my life of being a useless campaigner.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Nah, I'm leaving it to someone else like HTT who appears to be more willing to waste their time on what I'm almost certain is you posting data in misleading ways.

Okay, so you’re not going to address the data, you’re going to leave it to someone else.

Looks pretty bad after you’ve strenuously argued the opposite position, but you do you champ.

 

[owen87]

champ

Oh no! I've been champed and called a communist now.

You keep digging that hole. I'll keep not wasting my time on an idiot who could literally have the scientists who made the vaccine in front of them and still wouldn't believe them.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Oh no! I've been champed and called a communist now.

You keep digging that hole. I'll keep not wasting my time on an idiot who could literally have the scientists who made the vaccine in front of them and still wouldn't believe them.

I’m still waiting for you to address the data. It’s right there in black and white, so if it shows that what I’ve argued is wrong or false, it should be incredibly easy for you to point it out and shut me up, so what are you waiting for?

 

[owen87]

I’m still waiting for you to address the data. It’s right there in black and white, so if it shows that what I’ve argued is wrong or false, it should be incredibly easy for you to point it out and shut me up, so what are you waiting for?

Read the ** comment on the data, for a start.

 

[brovedm]

I’m still waiting for you to address the data. It’s right there in black and white, so if it shows that what I’ve argued is wrong or false, it should be incredibly easy for you to point it out and shut me up, so what are you waiting for?

He’s not programmed to reply, him and his comrades just censor you now, he cannot deal with facts that go against his beliefs

 

[owen87]

comrades

 

[Nickoo]

I have a problem with mandating it through coercion and threaten of employment. I also have a problem with people thinking that the vaccine gives them a higher status in society and that they can look down on those who do not want to get it. I am a firm believer in CHOICE. I chose to get vaccinated as I am in the high risk category and I also needed it to continue my apprenticeship but I do not see unvaccinated people as selfish or the bottom of society because it is their choice.

Yeah so it’s their choice to be looked down on and seen as selfish. That’s the point of it. You do that so it’s uncomfortable for them so they join the party.


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[Nickoo]

No.. but the question is public health. As I know you are aware. Yet continually forget. You can still pass the virus while being vaccinated. Therefore unvavcinated or not is not a differentiator between "getting fat from me eating mcdonalds". The actual comparison is.. does someone else eating McDonald's cause the health system to be clogged and potentially take a bed from someone you deem more worthy. The point is it does.. arguably.. the same way you argue that anti-vaxxers could threaten the health system. Yet you are only anti one. Weird which one it is. The one you've been propagandaised to believe is the biggest crisis in the world.

13 unvaccinated people died in Vict in the last 24 hours. Enough said. Silly sad buggers.


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[brovedm]

Yeah so it’s their choice to be looked down on and seen as selfish. That’s the point of it. You do that so it’s uncomfortable for them so they join the party.


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Weird way of saying “I make people uncomfortable because they disagree with my opinion so I gaslight them until their opinion lines up with mine”

 

[kingswood71]

Okay, so you’re not going to address the data, you’re going to leave it to someone else.

Looks pretty bad after you’ve strenuously argued the opposite position, but you do you champ.

I will address it
Did you notice this bit "nterpretation of the case rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated population is particularly susceptible to changes in denominators and should be interpreted with extra caution"?
Thats very important and I suspect you have ignored that.
Also suspect you ignored "The rate of a positive COVID-19 test is substantially lower in vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated individuals up to the age of 39. In individuals aged greater than 40, the rate of a positive COVID-19 test is higher in vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated. This is likely to be due to a variety of reasons, including differences in the population of vaccinated and unvaccinated people as well as differences in testing patterns".
And "Data from Scotland has also shown that household contacts of vaccinated healthcare workers are at reduced risk of becoming a case, which is in line with the studies on infection (16). There may be additional benefit, beyond that due to prevention of infection, if some of those individuals who become infected despite vaccination are also at a reduced risk of transmitting (for example, because of reduced duration or level of viral shedding). A household transmission study in England found that household contacts of cases vaccinated with a single dose had approximately 35 to 50% reduced risk of becoming a confirmed case of COVID-19. This study used routine testing data so would only include household contacts that developed symptoms and went on to request a test via pillar 2"
And:

 

[FlowersByIrene]

13 unvaccinated people died in Vict in the last 24 hours. Enough said. Silly sad buggers.


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Terrible news for them.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I will address it
Did you notice this bit "nterpretation of the case rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated population is particularly susceptible to changes in denominators and should be interpreted with extra caution"?
Thats very important and I suspect you have ignored that.
Also suspect you ignored "The rate of a positive COVID-19 test is substantially lower in vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated individuals up to the age of 39. In individuals aged greater than 40, the rate of a positive COVID-19 test is higher in vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated. This is likely to be due to a variety of reasons, including differences in the population of vaccinated and unvaccinated people as well as differences in testing patterns".
And "Data from Scotland has also shown that household contacts of vaccinated healthcare workers are at reduced risk of becoming a case, which is in line with the studies on infection (16). There may be additional benefit, beyond that due to prevention of infection, if some of those individuals who become infected despite vaccination are also at a reduced risk of transmitting (for example, because of reduced duration or level of viral shedding). A household transmission study in England found that household contacts of cases vaccinated with a single dose had approximately 35 to 50% reduced risk of becoming a confirmed case of COVID-19. This study used routine testing data so would only include household contacts that developed symptoms and went on to request a test via pillar 2"
And:
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Haven’t ignored any of it.

That infection effectiveness rate is not fixed — it has steadily fallen since the beginning. Some of the data from Israel (a very highly-vaxxed country) shows it has fallen to less than 40%. (Hence the mandated third booster.)

What we know is that the vaccine’s medium or even short-term effectiveness at stopping infection/spread was questionable from the very beginning (ie they didn’t know, but hoped). Now, based on the most recent data out of highly-vaxxed countries, it’s not really questionable at all. Currently, it really isn’t, to any significant degree, stopping the spread. That is common knowledge.

And it certainly isn’t clear whether an indeterminable number of boosters will stop the spread either.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

Haven’t ignored any of it.

That infection effectiveness rate is not fixed — it has steadily fallen since the beginning. Some of the data from Israel (a very highly-vaxxed country) shows it has fallen to less than 40%. (Hence the mandated third booster.)

What we know is that the vaccine’s medium or even short-term effectiveness at stopping infection/spread was questionable from the very beginning (ie they didn’t know, but hoped). Now, based on the most recent data out of highly-vaxxed countries, it’s not really questionable at all. Currently, it really isn’t, to any significant degree, stopping the spread. That is common knowledge.

And it certainly isn’t clear whether an indeterminable number of boosters will stop the spread either.

Explain what's happening in Portugal. The country with the second highest vaccination rate in the world

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Check out their COVID numbers

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If you look at the data in the vaccination rates, Israel is between Germany and the UK. They started off as one of the most vaccinated but are nowhere near the top now. In fact, they are only 1% in front of Australia now. So for whatever reason (and I've got my own hypotheses on this), vaccination has stalled in Israel while the rest of the world goes flying past it.

 

[radiojake]

Slippery Pete I have gathered you are both anti-lockdown (lucky you live in Adel then) and anti-this vaxx

What do you think should be happening in this climate? What do you expect to happen in Adel if border controls come down and the virus gets there unabated?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Slippery Pete I have gathered you are both anti-lockdown (lucky you live in Adel then) and anti-this vaxx

I’m not anti this vax, I’m just anti it being mandated.

What do you think should be happening in this climate? What do you expect to happen in Adel if border controls come down and the virus gets there unabated?

When this all started back in March 2020 the idea behind “lockdowns” was to spread out the infections so that everybody who needed hospital treatment could get it. The rest of the not-at-risk population were told they’d probably get it at some point or another, but they’d have mild flu-like symptoms and were very unlikely to be hospitalized. It was not sold as a measure to specifically “save lives,” or even to stop anyone from getting the virus — it was sold as a measure to make sure that Grandma could get a ventilator or an ICU bed.

The idea was not to get the infection rate to zero by sealing the state up, and then staying in that bubble for nearly two years, like SA (and WA) has. In fact, if that was how it was sold in the beginning, it would never in a million years have been supported.

But conditioning is an amazing thing. And people are not who they were in March 2020. They are now conditioned to this being normal.

So to answer your question, I do not know exactly what will happen, but what I do know is that people in SA and WA are not conditioned to living with the virus, to having spread in the community and to having people in hospital.

This is an inevitable outcome, but one which SA has been avoiding by hiding under the bed and enforcing some of the world’s pettiest restrictions for the best part of two years.

 

[theyellowsash]

Missed the part where obesity isn't a contagious virus?

its a moronic argument slippery and a few others have tried frequently. Apparently obesity has an instant cure, which is just to not eat too much and exercise. Other instant cures include:

Can't find a job? just try harder.
Too poor? just get a better job.
Starving? just eat.
Drug/alcohol addiction? just stop.
facing discrimination? just stop complaining.

if only such insightful people had been in charge from the start, covid would never have been invented.

 

[theyellowsash]

When this all started back in March 2020 the idea behind “lockdowns” was to spread out the infections so that everybody who needed hospital treatment could get it. The rest of the not-at-risk population were told they’d probably get it at some point or another, but they’d have mild flu-like symptoms and were very unlikely to be hospitalized. It was not sold as a measure to specifically “save lives,” or even to stop anyone from getting the virus — it was sold as a measure to make sure that Grandma could get a ventilator or an ICU bed.

And what do you think the current lockdowns are doing?

let me guess.........socialist/communist takeover

 

[Slippery Pete]

And what do you think the current lockdowns are doing?

I would’ve thought it’s pretty clear what they’re doing.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

78% of covid patients are overweight or obese.

So anywhere there is a vaccine mandate, there should also be a diet and exercise mandate.

"The Griffith University meta-analysis, published in mBio, analysed global databases containing 375,859 participants from 14 countries and found chronic kidney disease was statistically the most prominent comorbidity leading to death.

Hypertension was the most common comorbidity in COVID-19 patients, followed by obesity and diabetes. But, despite having high prevalence, obesity was not associated with mortality in COVID-19 patients."

 

[theyellowsash]

I would’ve thought it’s pretty clear what they’re doing.

It is indeed. only 147 cases in icu, so the hospital system is coping well.

 

[Slippery Pete]

"The Griffith University meta-analysis, published in mBio, analysed global databases containing 375,859 participants from 14 countries and found chronic kidney disease was statistically the most prominent comorbidity leading to death.

Hypertension was the most common comorbidity in COVID-19 patients, followed by obesity and diabetes. But, despite having high prevalence, obesity was not associated with mortality in COVID-19 patients."

Impact of obesity on COVID-19 outcomes | Obesity Evidence Hub

As the impact of COVID-19 continues to be felt around the world, this page provides links to emerging evidence that suggests obesity may be a risk factor for becoming seriously ill with the virus.

www.obesityevidencehub.org.au

Statements by the World Health Organization and the World Obesity Federation support the association of obesity with poor outcomes from COVID-19. The World Health Organisation has stated that:

“The latest scientific evidence, based on multiple studies, shows that patients with obesity (including young adults) hospitalized with COVID-19 experienced substantially higher rates of severe outcomes, such as requiring intensive care treatment, mechanical ventilation and death.”

 

[theyellowsash]

"The Griffith University meta-analysis, published in mBio, analysed global databases containing 375,859 participants from 14 countries and found chronic kidney disease was statistically the most prominent comorbidity leading to death.

Hypertension was the most common comorbidity in COVID-19 patients, followed by obesity and diabetes. But, despite having high prevalence, obesity was not associated with mortality in COVID-19 patients."

thats all very interesting, but have you considered:
stupid lazy fatty fat fats eats too much

 

[brovedm]

thats all very interesting, but have you considered:
stupid lazy fatty fat fats eats too much

You are taking this whole obesity thing very personally. Do you want to talk about it? I’ve been there done that. I can help you.