Podcast Joe Rogan Experience

Dec 20, 2014
26,333
21,512
Hong Kong
AFL Club
West Coast
You mock his belief and commitment to his health, as well as some of the possible COVID treatments, yet he breezed through it like it was nothing.
His commitment to keeping fit is great. Good for him. Everyone would be better off if they were equally committed. But it's not a Covid treatment - or a substitute for vaccination.
 
May 14, 2007
10,558
7,113
Perth
AFL Club
Fremantle
Other Teams
Juventus, Arsenal, OKC, Avalanche
Gee, he got stuck into Sanjay Gupta about CNN. I guess you have to give some credit to Gupta for showing up as I presume he knew it was coming, but Rogan basically forced him to disavow some parts of CNN's coverage.
Was CNN actually wrong though? Ivermectin is a horse dewormer. They probably embellished but still.
 
Dec 20, 2014
26,333
21,512
Hong Kong
AFL Club
West Coast
Was CNN actually wrong though? Ivermectin is a horse dewormer.
But if it can be prescribed for human consumption, as Rogan argues and Gupta concedes, it's misleading to say it's used exclusively as a horse de-wormer, which is the insinuation when it's referred to that way. It's an anti-parasitic agent that has been used to treat humans for other illnesses. You can debate its efficacy as a Covid treatment but to characterise it as being for horses and not humans seems inaccurate.

It's CNN trying to cast Rogan as a crackpot. I have plenty of criticisms of Rogan - I think he makes some deeply unsophisticated arguments and too often allows his audience to be misled - but I think he has a reasonable complaint against CNN in this case. And Gupta basically concedes as much.
 
Last edited:
Oct 1, 2006
26,018
20,062
Melbourne
AFL Club
Essendon
Other Teams
Everton, Storm, Victory
Was CNN actually wrong though? Ivermectin is a horse dewormer. They probably embellished but still.

Merck’s new wonder drug Molnupiravir is a drug for equine encephalitis. Guarantee that won’t be mentioned 1000 times.

The question is why frame it like that? Why not question the merit rather than the source?

All they achieved is demonstrating that they are bad faith actors and if they can’t be trusted to frame things fairly in this instance the question should be applied to all their content.
 
Dec 20, 2014
26,333
21,512
Hong Kong
AFL Club
West Coast
All they achieved is demonstrating that they are bad faith actors and if they can’t be trusted to frame things fairly in this instance the question should be applied to all their content.
I wouldn't go that far. That claim is also self-serving. Rogan has often been misrepresented but that doesn't make the case that every single piece of reporting is undermined as a result.
 
May 14, 2007
10,558
7,113
Perth
AFL Club
Fremantle
Other Teams
Juventus, Arsenal, OKC, Avalanche
Merck’s new wonder drug Molnupiravir is a drug for equine encephalitis. Guarantee that won’t be mentioned 1000 times.

The question is why frame it like that? Why not question the merit rather than the source?

All they achieved is demonstrating that they are bad faith actors and if they can’t be trusted to frame things fairly in this instance the question should be applied to all their content.
You are correct but everyone keeps acting like they were lying. They technically weren’t.

Rogan is just as culpable claiming it was the Ivermectin that cured his covid despite having monoclonal antibodies too. He’s also picking one part that conveniently suits his narrative. He doesn’t even mention that it could have been the MA that helped.
 
Oct 1, 2006
26,018
20,062
Melbourne
AFL Club
Essendon
Other Teams
Everton, Storm, Victory
I wouldn't go that far. That claim is also self-serving. Rogan has often been misrepresented but that doesn't make the case that every single piece of reporting is undermined as a result.

It doesn’t undermine the validity of each report. The truth exists outside of the reporting of it, but it erodes the confidence of the organisation to either identify the truth or report it accurately.
 
Dec 20, 2014
26,333
21,512
Hong Kong
AFL Club
West Coast
It doesn’t undermine the validity of each report. The truth exists outside of the reporting of it, but it erodes the confidence of the organisation to either identify the truth or report it accurately.
That's too broad a claim to be meaningful or demonstrable.

Do you mean it erodes CNN's confidence internally? How does that work?

Alternatively, other people who are already sceptical of CNN will of course seize on this episode and claim it vindicates their scepticism across the board. But that's also self-serving and this episode in isolation doesn't make the case that CNN's reporting should as a result be presumed to be inaccurate.
 
Dec 20, 2014
26,333
21,512
Hong Kong
AFL Club
West Coast
You are correct but everyone keeps acting like they were lying. They technically weren’t.
Well, it's misleading if they suggest it's exclusively for horses when it's often prescribed for people.

Rogan is just as culpable claiming it was the Ivermectin that cured his covid despite having monoclonal antibodies too. He’s also picking one part that conveniently suits his narrative. He doesn’t even mention that it could have been the MA that helped.
Rogan is responsible for his own acts of misinformation but he's not "equally culpable" because he's not held to the same standards as CNN. He's not a journalist and he's not a medical expert. He's a comedian and an MMA commentator. He still shouldn't mislead his audience but he's not in the business of journalism or communicating "expert medical advice", which is the claim CNN makes for itself.
 
May 14, 2007
10,558
7,113
Perth
AFL Club
Fremantle
Other Teams
Juventus, Arsenal, OKC, Avalanche
Well, it's misleading if they suggest it's exclusively for horses when it's often prescribed for people.

Rogan is responsible for his own acts of misinformation but he's not "equally culpable" because he's not held to the same standards as CNN. He's not a journalist and he's not a medical expert. He's a comedian and an MMA commentator. He still shouldn't mislead his audience but he's not in the business of journalism or communicating "expert medical advice", which is the claim CNN makes for itself.
Except he is as culpable now because he has such a large platform with thousands of people listening to him on various forms of social media. A lot of people do use him as a reputable source because of that.

Whilst CNN of course are not a gold standard for journalism at the best of times, Of course Gupta isn’t going to come out and agree with Rogan immediately. There’s big repercussions I am sure for him in doing so with his bosses and colleagues. He was trying to say as little as possible in agreeing with Rogan because he kept hassling (which is fair). That’s how it came across to me listening and watching his mannerisms.
 
Oct 1, 2006
26,018
20,062
Melbourne
AFL Club
Essendon
Other Teams
Everton, Storm, Victory
That's too broad a claim to be meaningful or demonstrable.

Do you mean it erodes CNN's confidence internally? How does that work?

Alternatively, other people who are already sceptical of CNN will of course seize on this episode and claim it vindicates their scepticism across the board. But that's also self-serving and this episode in isolation doesn't make the case that CNN's reporting should as a result be presumed to be inaccurate.

There are trust metrics for media. Usually annual reports, don’t know how they measure it. But I’d be surprised if the next report is improved on the last.

If policy based lying isn’t cause for the audience to lose trust in the media, those audience members have strange set of standards.
 
Mar 4, 2002
16,141
39,941
In a state of flux
AFL Club
Richmond
Other Teams
Liverpool, Red Sox, Melbourne Storm
You are correct but everyone keeps acting like they were lying. They technically weren’t.

Rogan is just as culpable claiming it was the Ivermectin that cured his covid despite having monoclonal antibodies too. He’s also picking one part that conveniently suits his narrative. He doesn’t even mention that it could have been the MA that helped.

is that what he did though? Do we have the video of him discussing his treatment originally? I’m sure he mentioned monoclonal antibodies as part of his medical regimen and the media chose to concentrate on IVM and call it horse dewormer. Of course, CNN was not alone in doing this, and it is a concerted effort being used at the moment as the way to discredit IVM in all media, including here in Australia.
 
h2hoe.jpg
 

Big_Luch

Premiership Player
Apr 13, 2011
3,046
2,912
Melbourne
AFL Club
Carlton
It really doesn't make sense if Rogan said he took Ivermectin that he would take the horse one over the human one which has been administered widely for a very long time to humans.

Why report he took the horse one? Ad $$$
 
Back