Draft Expert Davo-27's 2021 u18 Draft Thread

[theGav56]

SA V WA - 3rd match, 10 point win to WA

bests:
WA: Dittmar, Sheldrick, Browne, Tunstill, J.Williams, Jones, Hough
SA: D'Aloia, Roberts, Linke, Burgoyne, Ferres

what i took out of the game was that Roberts is looking less likely as a top 15 pick, J.Williams is not looking like a top 30 pick, Tunstill did really well (improving his stocks), Dittmar is such a tough midfielder/forw(improving his stocks), D'Aloia looks great for 2022, Ferres is decent but wish he kicked more goals, probably Burgoynes best game in the series, Sheldrick just works his butt off every game(improving his stocks), Linke showed he has some ability(improving his stocks), but overall not a great contest and lacking a lot of the high end talent.

Any more thoughts on Ferres? He's a bit frustrating. What role does he play at the next level? Does he have versatility? What pick?

 

[blueiris]

Bit disappointing players like Amiss Johnson and JVR are injured

 

[Davo-27]

Any more thoughts on Ferres? He's a bit frustrating. What role does he play at the next level? Does he have versatility? What pick?

i think he is that 3rd tall forw at AFL level potentially, he plays well in that he can play the half forward role well enough, but needs to kick more goals, could be a mid draft pick, because he is a good player, he just lacks in a couple of areas.

 

[theGav56]

Bit disappointing players like Amiss Johnson and JVR are injured

They have had more exposure than most in this draft.

 

[Pinoy Hawk]

Hi Davo-27 ,

I know this has been asked before, but times change and perceptions change.

Who should the Hawks consider with our pick 5, 21, 24, and maybe 59 & 65 ?

Thanks

 

[Davo-27]

Hi Davo-27 ,

I know this has been asked before, but times change and perceptions change.

Who should the Hawks consider with our pick 5, 21, 24, and maybe 59 & 65 ?

Thanks

i think with our pick 5 we should be looking at Hobbs/Ward/Erasmus and doing a lot of work on those 3 players to see which is available and which one suits us going forward, if Callaghan slips through to us then he could also be an option, at pick 21 and 24 it depends on what is available, but at a guess we could be looking at players such as Knevitt/Bazzo/JVR/Long/MacDonald/Chesser/Clarke/Dittmar maybe even a Lohmann, Banks, Tunstill or Browne

as for 59 & 65, thats just wild speculation at this point, but a few players will be available as clubs can disregard players like Sicily, Worpel, Moore, Hardwick, Brockman ect and sometimes you can get lucky, at this stage i have no idea which good players will be snubbed by clubs until draft night.

top 20 picked is probably something like (Daicos, JHF, Darcy, Callaghan, Hobbs, Erasmus, Ward, Amiss, Goater, NWM, Johnson, Sinn, Rachele, Gibcus, Andrew, JVR, Roberts, Fahey, Sonsie, Draper) a few i wouldnt have top 20, but clubs seem to like them so thats all that matters on draft night.

 

[Davo-27]

2023

Jack Delean - SA
Nick Watson - VM
Daniel Curtin - WA
George Stevens - VC
Harley Reid - VC
Will Patton - SA
Koen Sanchez - WA
Tyreise Clark - WA
Tom Wheaton - SA
Zane Duursma - VC
Riley Hardeman - WA

 

[Schtinker]

Joshua Cripps, Goal kicking backup ruck. Any thoughts on whether he'll get picked up late or rookie listed with all this interest in ruck prospects?

 

[Davo-27]

Joshua Cripps, Goal kicking backup ruck. Any thoughts on whether he'll get picked up late or rookie listed with all this interest in ruck prospects?

next year theres about 10 quality rucks, this year its Conway and Andrew then crickets, i mean theres always a chance late or rookie for any kid with talent, but its a very small chance, i personally wouldnt draft Joshua Cripps at this stage of his development.

 

[Davo-27]

My Updated Tier List

(4)Elite: Daicos, JHF (Callaghan, Darcy)

(10)Top Tier: Hobbs, Erasmus, Ward, Goater, Amiss, Fahey, JVR, NWM, Johnson, Rachele

(18)Quality: Roberts, Sinn, Long, Knevitt, Bazzo, Gibcus, Andrew, Chesser, Conway, Banks, MacDonald, Browne, Draper, Sonsie, Wilmot, Dittmar, Clarke, Curtis

(37)Quality with some question marks: Molan, Windhager, Ferres, Hough, Aleer, Regan, Brown, Soligo, Owens, Jones, Tunstill, Lohmann, Taylor, Benning, C.Hamilton, Beecken, Rankin, Burgoyne, Jackson, Uwland, Motlop, Rayson, Archer, Willis, Sheldrick, Dib, Williams, Murray, Rossimel, H.Hamilton, Butler, Bergman, Howes, (19 yr olds)Doultree, Trudgeon, Cleary, Gribble


Top 50 - October

1. Nick Daicos *
2. Jason Horne-Francis
3. Sam Darcy *
4. Finn Callaghan
5. Ben Hobbs
6. Neil Erasmus
7. Josh Ward
8. Josh Goater
9. Jye Amiss
10. Josh Fahey *
11. Jacob Van Rooyen
12. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
13. Matthew Roberts
14. Matthew Johnson
15. Josh Sinn
16. Josh Rachele
17. Ned Long
18. Mitch Knevitt
19. Rhett Bazzo
20. Josh Gibcus
21. Mac Andrew *
22. Campbell Chesser
23. Toby Conway
24. Sam Banks
25. Connor MacDonald
26. Josh Browne
27. Arlo Draper
28. Tyler Sonsie
29. Kade Dittmar
30. Darcy Wilmot
31. Judson Clarke
32. Ethan Regan *
33. Charlie Molan
34. Marcus Windhager *
35. Morgan Ferres
36. Brady Hough
37. Leek Aleer
38. Paul Curtis
39. Tom Brown
40. Jake Soligo
41. Michito Owens *
42. Arthur Jones *
43. James Tunstill
44. Kai Lohmann
45. Zac Taylor
46. Eric Benning *
47. Cooper Hamilton
48. Cooper Beecken
49. Lachlan Rankin
50. Jase Burgoyne *

*= F/S or Academies


Early 2022 Draft Rankings, i have yet to see all of the talent, so there may be a few names missing, also some players may come good in their draft year.

Top 50
1. Will Ashcroft - Bris F/S - Vic Metro/Sandringham - 183cm (mid)
2. George Wardlaw - Vic Metro/Oakleigh - 181cm (mid)
3. Adam D'Aloia - South Aus/WWT - 184cm (mid)
4. Elijah Tsatas - Vic Metro/Oakleigh - 184cm (wing)
5. Alex Condon - West Aus/Claremont - 201cm(Ruck)
6. Oliver Hollands - Vic Country/Murray - 182cm (mid)
7. Jhye Clark - Vic Country/Geelong - 180cm (mid)
8. Harry Lemmey - South Aus/West Adel - 199cm(KPF)
9. Isaac Keeler - South Aus/North Adel - 197cm(Ruck/KPF)
10. Jed Hagan - West Aus/Est Frem - 174cm (mid/hbf)
11. Harry Sheezel - Vic Metro/Sandringham - 183cm (forw)
12. Elijah Hewett - West Aus/Swan Dist - 186cm (mid)
13. Jaspar Fletcher - Bris F/S - Queensland/Bris A (wing)
14. Max Michaelanny - South Aus/Norw - 190cm(potential KPD)
15. Seth Campbell - Tasmania - 179cm (forw)
16. Jaiden Magor - South Aus/Sth Adel - 185cm (mid)
17. Jackson Broadbent - West Aus/Peel - 205cm(Ruck)
18. Matthew Jefferson - Vic Metro/Oakleigh - 193cm(KPF)
19. Kobe Ryan - South Aus/Wst Adel - 182cm (mid/hbf)
20. Sam Gilbey - West Aus/Clarem - 185cm (def)
21. Kane Bevan - West Aus/Wst Perth - 192cm (mid)
22. Jonti Schuback - Vic Country/Gipps - 183cm (def)
23. Levi Fyfe - Queensland/Gold Coast A (mid/hbf)
24. Alwyn Davey

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

Jnr - Ess F/S - Vic Metro (forw)
25. Jack Cleaver - West Aus/Est Frem - 187cm (mid)
26. Jedd Busslinger - West Aus/East Perth - 195cm(KPD)
27. Nick Sadler - South Aus/Sturt - 179cm (mid/flanker)
28. Tyson Walls - South Aus/Norw - 171cm (mid)
29. Noah Long - Vic Country/Bend - 178cm (mid)
30. Luke Michael - West Aus/Wst Perth - 185cm (def)
31. Harvey Howe - Vic Country/Gipps - 200cm(Ruck)
32. Lachlan Cowan - Tasmania - 186cm (mid/def)
33. Koby Cockshell - South Aus/Sth Adel - 195cm(KPD)
34. Blake Drury - Vic Metro/Oakleigh - 176cm (mid)
35. Luke Teal - Vic Metro/Oakleigh - 188cm (def)
36. Aaron Cadman - Vic Country/GWV (def)
37. Cooper Vickery - Vic Country/Gipps (def)
38. Mattaes Phillipou - South Aus/WWT - 188cm (flanker)
39. Max Clohesy - Vic Country/Murray (def)
40. Harry Barnett - South Aus/Wst Adel - 202cm(Ruck/KPD)
41. Kai Windsor - Vic Metro/Eastern - 178cm (mid)
42. Mitch Szybkowski - Vic Country/Dand (mid)
43. Brayden George - Vic Country/Murray (forw)
44. Jacob Konstanty - Vic Country/Gippsland (forw)
45. Brodie Tuck - South Aus/Central Dist - 193cm (forw/def)
46. Jacob Evitt - West Aus/Subiaco - 179cm (mid)
47. Darcy Jones - West Aus/Sawn Dist - 173cm (mid)
48. Cooper Harvey - NM F/S - Vic Metro/Northern - 179cm (mid)
49. Conrad Williams - Frem NGA - West Aus/Clare - 182cm (wing)
50. Will Verall - South Aus/Sth Adel - 200cm(Ruck)


2022 Draft Pool
Will Ashcroft - VM - Elite - mid
George Wardlaw - VM - Elite - mid

Elijah Tsatas - VM - Top 10 - wing/mid
Oliver Hollands - VC - Top 10 - mid
Jhye Clark - VC - Top 10 - mid
Adam D'Aloia - SA - Top 10 - mid
Alex Condon - WA - Top 10 - Ruck

Harry Sheezel - VM - 1st Round - forw
Matthew Jefferson - VM - 1st Round - KPF
Jonti Schuback - VC - 1st Round - def
Jed Hagan - WA - 1st Round - mid
Elijah Hewett - WA - 1st Round - mid
Sam Gilbey - WA - 1st Round - def
Jackson Broadbent - WA - 1st Round - Ruck
Jaiden Magor - SA - 1st Round - mid
Isaac Keeler - SA - 1st Round - KPF/Ruck
Harry Lemmey - SA - 1st Round - KPF
Max Michalanny - SA - 1st Round - KPD
Seth Campbell - TAS - 1st Round - sml forw
Jaspar Fletcher - QLD - 1st Round - wing/mid

Blake Drury - VM - Top 30/40 - mid
Kai Windsor - VM - Top 30/40 - mid
Luke Teal - VM - Top 30/40 - def
Alwyn Davey

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

Jnr - VM - Top 30/40 - forw
Noah Long - VC - Top 30/40 - mid
Aaron Cadman - VC - Top 30/40 - def
Mitch Szybkowski - VC - Top 30/40 - mid
Cooper Vickery - VC - Top 30/40 - def
Max Clohessy - VC - Top 30/40 - def
Harvey Howe - VC - Top 30/40 - Ruck
Jack Cleaver - WA - Top 30/40 - mid
Luke Michael - WA - Top 30/40 - def
Jedd Busslinger - WA - Top 30/40 - def
Kane Bevan - WA - Top 30/40 - mid/def
Kobe Ryan - SA - 1st Round - mid/hbf
Nick Saddler - SA - Top 30/40 - flanker
Mattaes Phillipou - SA - Top 30/40 - flanker
Tyson Walls - SA - Top 30/40 - mid
Koby Cockshell - SA - Top 30/40 - flanker
Lachlan Cowan - TAS - Top 30/40 - def
Levi Fyfe - QLD - Top 30/40 - forw/mid
Darcy Jones - WA - Top 30/40 - mid

Others to keep an eye out for at mid draft...

VM - Cooper Harvey - mid, Ben Hempel - def, Cam MacKenzie - def, Matthew Payne - mid (Jayden Davey)
VC - Jacob Konstanty - forw, Brayden George - forw, Will Parkhouse - def, Felix Fogarty - flanker, Jack O'Sullivan - mid, Olivier Northam - Ruck/KPF
WA - Conrad Williams - wing, Jacob Evitt - flanker, , Mitch Williams - forw, Ed Allan - flanker/mid(191), Luke Brown

16

Luke Brown

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

273.4

4star

D

11.7

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

2.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

273.4

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

? - KPF
SA - Will Verall - Ruck, Harry Barnett - KPD/Ruck, Austin McDonald - mid, Brodie Tuck - 3rd tall def/forw
TAS - Cameron Owen - Ruck
QLD - Riley MacMillian - mid
NSW - ???

2023

Jack Delean - SA
Nick Watson - VM
Daniel Curtin - WA
George Stevens - VC
Harley Reid - VC
Will Patton - SA
Koen Sanchez - WA
Tyreise Clark - WA
Tom Wheaton - SA
Zane Duursma - VC
Riley Hardeman - WA

 

[Membling]

My Updated Tier List

(4)Elite: Daicos, JHF (Callaghan, Darcy)

(10)Top Tier: Hobbs, Erasmus, Ward, Goater, Amiss, Fahey, JVR, NWM, Johnson, Rachele

(18)Quality: Roberts, Sinn, Long, Knevitt, Bazzo, Gibcus, Andrew, Chesser, Conway, Banks, MacDonald, Browne, Draper, Sonsie, Wilmot, Dittmar, Clarke, Curtis

(37)Quality with some question marks: Molan, Windhager, Ferres, Hough, Aleer, Regan, Brown, Soligo, Owens, Jones, Tunstill, Lohmann, Taylor, Benning, C.Hamilton, Beecken, Rankin, Burgoyne, Jackson, Uwland, Motlop, Rayson, Archer, Willis, Sheldrick, Dib, Williams, Murray, Rossimel, H.Hamilton, Butler, Bergman, Howes, (19 yr olds)Doultree, Trudgeon, Cleary, Gribble


Top 50 - October

1. Nick Daicos *
2. Jason Horne-Francis
3. Sam Darcy *
4. Finn Callaghan
5. Ben Hobbs
6. Neil Erasmus
7. Josh Ward
8. Josh Goater
9. Jye Amiss
10. Josh Fahey *
11. Jacob Van Rooyen
12. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
13. Matthew Roberts
14. Matthew Johnson
15. Josh Sinn
16. Josh Rachele
17. Ned Long
18. Mitch Knevitt
19. Rhett Bazzo
20. Josh Gibcus
21. Mac Andrew *
22. Campbell Chesser
23. Toby Conway
24. Sam Banks
25. Connor MacDonald
26. Josh Browne
27. Arlo Draper
28. Tyler Sonsie
29. Kade Dittmar
30. Darcy Wilmot
31. Judson Clarke
32. Ethan Regan *
33. Charlie Molan
34. Marcus Windhager *
35. Morgan Ferres
36. Brady Hough
37. Leek Aleer
38. Paul Curtis
39. Tom Brown
40. Jake Soligo
41. Michito Owens *
42. Arthur Jones *
43. James Tunstill
44. Kai Lohmann
45. Zac Taylor
46. Eric Benning *
47. Cooper Hamilton
48. Cooper Beecken
49. Lachlan Rankin
50. Jase Burgoyne *

*= F/S or Academies


Early 2022 Draft Rankings, i have yet to see all of the talent, so there may be a few names missing, also some players may come good in their draft year.

Top 50
1. Will Ashcroft - Bris F/S - Vic Metro/Sandringham - 183cm (mid)
2. George Wardlaw - Vic Metro/Oakleigh - 181cm (mid)
3. Adam D'Aloia - South Aus/WWT - 184cm (mid)
4. Elijah Tsatas - Vic Metro/Oakleigh - 184cm (wing)
5. Alex Condon - West Aus/Claremont - 201cm(Ruck)
6. Oliver Hollands - Vic Country/Murray - 182cm (mid)
7. Jhye Clark - Vic Country/Geelong - 180cm (mid)
8. Harry Lemmey - South Aus/West Adel - 199cm(KPF)
9. Isaac Keeler - South Aus/North Adel - 197cm(Ruck/KPF)
10. Jed Hagan - West Aus/Est Frem - 174cm (mid/hbf)
11. Harry Sheezel - Vic Metro/Sandringham - 183cm (forw)
12. Elijah Hewett - West Aus/Swan Dist - 186cm (mid)
13. Jaspar Fletcher - Bris F/S - Queensland/Bris A (wing)
14. Max Michaelanny - South Aus/Norw - 190cm(potential KPD)
15. Seth Campbell - Tasmania - 179cm (forw)
16. Jaiden Magor - South Aus/Sth Adel - 185cm (mid)
17. Jackson Broadbent - West Aus/Peel - 205cm(Ruck)
18. Matthew Jefferson - Vic Metro/Oakleigh - 193cm(KPF)
19. Kobe Ryan - South Aus/Wst Adel - 182cm (mid/hbf)
20. Sam Gilbey - West Aus/Clarem - 185cm (def)
21. Kane Bevan - West Aus/Wst Perth - 192cm (mid)
22. Jonti Schuback - Vic Country/Gipps - 183cm (def)
23. Levi Fyfe - Queensland/Gold Coast A (mid/hbf)
24. Alwyn Davey Jnr - Ess F/S - Vic Metro (forw)
25. Jack Cleaver - West Aus/Est Frem - 187cm (mid)
26. Jedd Busslinger - West Aus/East Perth - 195cm(KPD)
27. Nick Sadler - South Aus/Sturt - 179cm (mid/flanker)
28. Tyson Walls - South Aus/Norw - 171cm (mid)
29. Noah Long - Vic Country/Bend - 178cm (mid)
30. Luke Michael - West Aus/Wst Perth - 185cm (def)
31. Harvey Howe - Vic Country/Gipps - 200cm(Ruck)
32. Lachlan Cowan - Tasmania - 186cm (mid/def)
33. Koby Cockshell - South Aus/Sth Adel - 195cm(KPD)
34. Blake Drury - Vic Metro/Oakleigh - 176cm (mid)
35. Luke Teal - Vic Metro/Oakleigh - 188cm (def)
36. Aaron Cadman - Vic Country/GWV (def)
37. Cooper Vickery - Vic Country/Gipps (def)
38. Mattaes Phillipou - South Aus/WWT - 188cm (flanker)
39. Max Clohesy - Vic Country/Murray (def)
40. Harry Barnett - South Aus/Wst Adel - 202cm(Ruck/KPD)
41. Kai Windsor - Vic Metro/Eastern - 178cm (mid)
42. Mitch Szybkowski - Vic Country/Dand (mid)
43. Brayden George - Vic Country/Murray (forw)
44. Jacob Konstanty - Vic Country/Gippsland (forw)
45. Brodie Tuck - South Aus/Central Dist - 193cm (forw/def)
46. Jacob Evitt - West Aus/Subiaco - 179cm (mid)
47. Darcy Jones - West Aus/Sawn Dist - 173cm (mid)
48. Cooper Harvey - NM F/S - Vic Metro/Northern - 179cm (mid)
49. Conrad Williams - Frem NGA - West Aus/Clare - 182cm (wing)
50. Will Verall - South Aus/Sth Adel - 200cm(Ruck)


2022 Draft Pool
Will Ashcroft - VM - Elite - mid
George Wardlaw - VM - Elite - mid

Elijah Tsatas - VM - Top 10 - wing/mid
Oliver Hollands - VC - Top 10 - mid
Jhye Clark - VC - Top 10 - mid
Adam D'Aloia - SA - Top 10 - mid
Alex Condon - WA - Top 10 - Ruck

Harry Sheezel - VM - 1st Round - forw
Matthew Jefferson - VM - 1st Round - KPF
Jonti Schuback - VC - 1st Round - def
Jed Hagan - WA - 1st Round - mid
Elijah Hewett - WA - 1st Round - mid
Sam Gilbey - WA - 1st Round - def
Jackson Broadbent - WA - 1st Round - Ruck
Jaiden Magor - SA - 1st Round - mid
Isaac Keeler - SA - 1st Round - KPF/Ruck
Harry Lemmey - SA - 1st Round - KPF
Max Michalanny - SA - 1st Round - KPD
Seth Campbell - TAS - 1st Round - sml forw
Jaspar Fletcher - QLD - 1st Round - wing/mid

Blake Drury - VM - Top 30/40 - mid
Kai Windsor - VM - Top 30/40 - mid
Luke Teal - VM - Top 30/40 - def
Alwyn Davey Jnr - VM - Top 30/40 - forw
Noah Long - VC - Top 30/40 - mid
Aaron Cadman - VC - Top 30/40 - def
Mitch Szybkowski - VC - Top 30/40 - mid
Cooper Vickery - VC - Top 30/40 - def
Max Clohessy - VC - Top 30/40 - def
Harvey Howe - VC - Top 30/40 - Ruck
Jack Cleaver - WA - Top 30/40 - mid
Luke Michael - WA - Top 30/40 - def
Jedd Busslinger - WA - Top 30/40 - def
Kane Bevan - WA - Top 30/40 - mid/def
Kobe Ryan - SA - 1st Round - mid/hbf
Nick Saddler - SA - Top 30/40 - flanker
Mattaes Phillipou - SA - Top 30/40 - flanker
Tyson Walls - SA - Top 30/40 - mid
Koby Cockshell - SA - Top 30/40 - flanker
Lachlan Cowan - TAS - Top 30/40 - def
Levi Fyfe - QLD - Top 30/40 - forw/mid
Darcy Jones - WA - Top 30/40 - mid

Others to keep an eye out for at mid draft...

VM - Cooper Harvey - mid, Ben Hempel - def, Cam MacKenzie - def, Matthew Payne - mid (Jayden Davey)
VC - Jacob Konstanty - forw, Brayden George - forw, Will Parkhouse - def, Felix Fogarty - flanker, Jack O'Sullivan - mid, Olivier Northam - Ruck/KPF
WA - Conrad Williams - wing, Jacob Evitt - flanker, , Mitch Williams - forw, Ed Allan - flanker/mid(191), Luke Brown? - KPF
SA - Will Verall - Ruck, Harry Barnett - KPD/Ruck, Austin McDonald - mid, Brodie Tuck - 3rd tall def/forw
TAS - Cameron Owen - Ruck
QLD - Riley MacMillian - mid
NSW - ???

2023

Jack Delean - SA
Nick Watson - VM
Daniel Curtin - WA
George Stevens - VC
Harley Reid - VC
Will Patton - SA
Koen Sanchez - WA
Tyreise Clark - WA
Tom Wheaton - SA
Zane Duursma - VC
Riley Hardeman - WA

From NSW, Billy King.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

If 2021 was the year of the Josh's, 2022 is the year of the Harry's.

Sheezel.
Lemmey. (The Ace of Spades.)
Rowston.
Flynn.

I'm sure I left a few out.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Adding to the above, tenuous or not, Harrison Keeling is included.

 

[Davo-27]

a few videos of the draftees

 

[Wrenny]

Not impressed at all about Goater. Needs to think more before kicking

 

[adonski]

Goater looks like the Sam Frost

8

Sam Frost

Age

30

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

191.6

3star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.3

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

191.6

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

version of a midfielder

 

[Davo-27]

after watching most of my top 50 and a few others in interviews, the things i came away from the interviews is that Mac Andrew and Campbell Chesser seem like Intellectuals(i dont mean Academic intellectuals, but if they choose to im sure they would do well there), they both speak very well which is a sign of high IQ, Hobbs seems very mature and head strong, he interviews like Hodge or Selwood, very impressive, Callaghan interviews poorly, even though im a fan, that is a concern for me, Johnson has a deep voice and seems determined which is a good sign and Banks is a true blue country lad(good character), everyone else seemed ok or normal in their interviews from my PoV, i will try and watch the rest of the interviews and see if any of the others stand out.

 

[Davo-27]

Not impressed at all about Goater. Needs to think more before kicking

these arent highlight packages, so you get to see some mistakes, thats the problem with highlight packages is you see them at their best, then after you draft them they fail to make it and you got fooled by a highlights package..... happens all the time, this is just his performance in the heat of the champs where AFL players that you rate even made mistakes during their time in u18 champs.(a good example is Kosi Pickett fumbled a lot in the champs in his year and i dropped him from 14 to 30 after that, but he doesnt fumble these days, so dropping him down the order was a reaction i had thinking he might fumble too much, but he is killing it for Melbourne and i should have stuck with my intuition/gut feel)

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Johnson has a deep voice

Have been waiting for a bass boi in this year's crop.

The majority of them sound squeaky.

Squeakiest I've heard pre-draft is easily Corey Ellis from 2014.

 

[Wrenny]

after watching most of my top 50 and a few others in interviews, the things i came away from the interviews is that Mac Andrew and Campbell Chesser seem like Intellectuals, they both speak very well which is a sign of high IQ, Hobbs seems very mature and head strong, he interviews like Hodge or Selwood, very impressive, Callaghan interviews poorly, even though im a fan, that is a concern for me, Johnson has a deep voice and seems determined which is a good sign and Banks is a true blue country lad(good character), everyone else seemed ok or normal in their interviews from my PoV, i will try and watch the rest of the interviews and see if any of the others stand out.

How do you get access to the interviews? I heard Callaghan on SEN and he sounded quite mature I thought. Agree on Hobbs and Banks though. Doesn't Banks sound like he's 40!

 

[Davo-27]

How do you get access to the interviews? I heard Callaghan on SEN and he sounded quite mature I thought. Agree on Hobbs and Banks though. Doesn't Banks sound like he's 40!

this kid does a good job of interviewing them on youtube, i'm just not impressed with Callaghans way of talking i guess and Gibcus seemed a bit odd in the interviews as well? they were the only 2 out of approx 40 or so that i didnt like and i had maybe half a dozen i liked more than average.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBVHGuDD7IAqoA3ZxQ31B2A/featured

 

[Davo-27]

The Phantom Draft experience i find fun and also revealing as to how others see the draft talent, it also refines your own thoughts i find, because you ask the hard questions of yourself like whether you really want a type of player at your club or not, which you dont often ask of yourself when making these player lists, things i learned from others in the Phantom Drafts i participated in recently.

1. Matthew Roberts could be a slider on draft night, he has been rated quite highly for awhile, but many went for other options, myself included, maybe we or i overestimated his impact or abilities, the games ive seen recently i have felt underwhelmed a little and he had very little influence over SA's midfield/flanks in their champs series and for a guy talked about as a first rounder previously that was an indictment on his potential.

2. there seemed to be a top 24 or thereabouts established(no particular order - JHF, Daicos, Darcy, Callaghan, Gibcus, Erasmus, Hobbs, Rachele, Ward, NWM, Johnson, Goater, Sonsie, Sinn, Andrew, Amiss, JVR, Wilmot, Chesser, Owens, Knevitt, Bazzo, Fahey, Conway), then after that came the coin flip players from what i could tell, a lot of different peoples favourites, but very spotty in terms of talent.

3. there are some under rated midfielders after the top 24 or so players that are athletic, accumulate and play well at the top level (championships/i like champs form over League form personally) so i think there will be a few clubs picking up gems late, teams with good recruiting teams who dont rely on hype do quite well with late picks usually.

4. the reaction to clips and highlights of a player can be frustrating in some instances, but it can also be helpful, the general footy fan might pick up something that you didnt previously consider, the only problem with "highlights" is that you can make a very ordinary player look good.

 

[foodles05]

The Phantom Draft experience i find fun and also revealing as to how others see the draft talent, it also refines your own thoughts i find, because you ask the hard questions of yourself like whether you really want a type of player at your club or not, which you dont often ask of yourself when making these player lists, things i learned from others in the Phantom Drafts i participated in recently.

1. Matthew Roberts could be a slider on draft night, he has been rated quite highly for awhile, but many went for other options, myself included, maybe we or i overestimated his impact or abilities, the games ive seen recently i have felt underwhelmed a little and he had very little influence over SA's midfield/flanks in their champs series and for a guy talked about as a first rounder previously that was an indictment on his potential.

2. there seemed to be a top 24 or thereabouts established(no particular order - JHF, Daicos, Darcy, Callaghan, Gibcus, Erasmus, Hobbs, Rachele, Ward, NWM, Johnson, Goater, Sonsie, Sinn, Andrew, Amiss, JVR, Wilmot, Chesser, Owens, Knevitt, Bazzo, Fahey, Conway), then after that came the coin flip players from what i could tell, a lot of different peoples favourites, but very spotty in terms of talent.

3. there are some under rated midfielders after the top 24 or so players that are athletic, accumulate and play well at the top level (championships/i like champs form over League form personally) so i think there will be a few clubs picking up gems late, teams with good recruiting teams who dont rely on hype do quite well with late picks usually.

4. the reaction to clips and highlights of a player can be frustrating in some instances, but it can also be helpful, the general footy fan might pick up something that you didnt previously consider, the only problem with "highlights" is that you can make a very ordinary player look good.

The thing that I look for with players and this applies to Goater and Kosie is not the mistakes they are making but why they are making them. To me Kosie was inconsistent but his ball handling "in general" and from a technique standpoint was elite from time to time and his cleanness or the lack of it was never down to his technique or skill. Goater has some real flaws in his kicking technique that are rarely ironed out at the top level in my opinion. They very rarely try and break them down and totally re-teach how to kick. It's why the Irish guys are often good as they mature because their technique flaws don't exist as they are "learning from scratch" often. Goater is a big risk and will never be a good kick I don't think. In fact I doubt he will be league average. As a Geelong fan I hope we don't go near him.

 

[foodles05]

Ps just between me and you put Mattaes P a lot higher in your next years draft predictions. I would be very surprised if he is not in the first 3 taken from SA and could work his way to number 1 over here. Trust me you'll look a genius in 9 months time hahahahaha.

 

[Davo-27]

The thing that I look for with players and this applies to Goater and Kosie is not the mistakes they are making but why they are making them. To me Kosie was inconsistent but his ball handling "in general" and from a technique standpoint was elite from time to time and his cleanness or the lack of it was never down to his technique or skill. Goater has some real flaws in his kicking technique that are rarely ironed out at the top level in my opinion. They very rarely try and break them down and totally re-teach how to kick. It's why the Irish guys are often good as they mature because their technique flaws don't exist as they are "learning from scratch" often. Goater is a big risk and will never be a good kick I don't think. In fact I doubt he will be league average. As a Geelong fan I hope we don't go near him.

there are concerns over Goaters kicking, but i look at a player like Dangerfield who also has issues with his kicking, but he also has speed, can create separation, strong in the contest, good mark overhead, these all balance out his horrible kicking at times, i mean Tom Mitchell is another example of horrible kicking yet, his work rate, accumulation, ability to find space in a phone box ect cancel out his horrible kicking at times, you could even make the case most of the top Brownlow Medallist chances this year have below average kicking. its because contested footy causes sloppy footy at times, i would rather a sloppy contested bull who wins you a final than a great kicking outside mid that relies on being fed the ball imo, although if you have the contested bull, the quality user on the outside can be a good complimenting player in your system.