List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

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[AstuteTiger]

RCD was considered a slider.

Correct, GWS, were into him. I just found this article and grabbed a snippet.

"Collier-Dawkins is attending the draft on Thursday at Marvel Stadium and is set to be a first-round selection, with Greater Western Sydney, Geelong and Richmond among the teams in the running to pick him".

Cal Twomey had RCD going to GWS at 13

Callum Twomey's 2018 Phantom Draft

Who will your club take in the NAB AFL Draft? Our guru makes the call

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[Rioli2Rioli]

Not to mention St Kilda tried to do the carlton deal with Adelaide to take RCD

 

[Roksman]

I don't like it when we pick 'surprize' players that shock everyone else. Oakleigh-Nicholas, Conca and even RCD all raised eyebrows from other club recruiters in the past when they were taken early by us but not when they underwhelmed everyone as the years went on. RCD still might prove to be an astute pick but no more surprize early picks please...they make me nervous.

Lol RCD as a "shock" pick.

 

[DeLaCon]

Fahey will be a 200 game player. A fantastic kick of the footy.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

Lol RCD as a "shock" pick.

Dow was probably more of a reach, I can’t remember many phantom drafts having him that early.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

God I loved that. That prick went up and gave lip to Lynch big time in the first quarter and then proceeded to poo his dacks unopposed going for a mark

One of the finest footy karma results you ever will see.


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7. Hobbs Ward Sonsie
17. Sonsie Sinn Chesser
26-28. 3 of Bazzo Williams Roberts Macdonald Taylor Sheldrick Owens Windhager

 

[Frank Grimes]

Can see Adelaide going for Rachele at 4 (6).
GWS going with Andrew, Gold Coast Gibcus, Freo Erasmus. Leaves Hawks as a question mark. Sounding like they have Ward high on their list.

Looking very likely two of Hobbs, ward or Callaghan will be there at 7.

Will be gob smacked if Callaghan is still available at our pick. There is a reason why a few teams before us are trying to trade up to GWS pick and that is mostly because they want Callaghan.

 

[Roksman]

7. Hobbs Ward Sonsie
17. Sonsie Sinn Chesser
26-28. 3 of Bazzo Williams Roberts Macdonald Taylor Sheldrick Owens Windhager

These 2 are impossible to get at those picks as the Saints will just match the bid.

Agree with the majority though... Also think Zac Taylor is in the discussions for pick 17... can't see him getting passed Hawthorn in the early 20's.

 

[Rich01]

These 2 are impossible to get at those picks as the Saints will just match the bid.

Agree with the majority though... Also think Zac Taylor is in the discussions for pick 17... can't see him getting passed Hawthorn in the early 20's.

I’m not sure the Saints will match both though will they?

 

[Dr Tigris]

No I’ll come in here and admit I was a poor judge if RCD turns out to be a good player.

I'll hold you to that - if I remember and I have trouble remembering what day it, much les what happened last year.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Correct, GWS, were into him. I just found this article and grabbed a snippet.

"Collier-Dawkins is attending the draft on Thursday at Marvel Stadium and is set to be a first-round selection, with Greater Western Sydney, Geelong and Richmond among the teams in the running to pick him".

Cal Twomey had RCD going to GWS at 13

Callum Twomey's 2018 Phantom Draft

Who will your club take in the NAB AFL Draft? Our guru makes the call

www.afl.com.au

Yeah, RCD was generally seen as going around 12+. That we got him is a slide. Not a huge slide, but a drop from expectations.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Dow was probably more of a reach, I can’t remember many phantom drafts having him that early.

We took him around the top of where he was projected to go. So earlish, or top of his range. So far I can see why they picked hm. Some elite traits, and some flaws. But his inside ability, evasion and clever hands are enough to make a career out of. Hope he keeps developing and ends up at worst as a Shedda lite.

 

[Stylo]

Yeah, RCD was generally seen as going around 12+. That we got him is a slide. Not a huge slide, but a drop from expectations.

was convinced in the moment that Carlton had traded ahead of us to nab him. Lel

 

[NZ_Tiger]

We took him around the top of where he was projected to go. So earlish, or top of his range. So far I can see why they picked hm. Some elite traits, and some flaws. But his inside ability, evasion and clever hands are enough to make a career out of. Hope he keeps developing and ends up at worst as a Shedda lite.

We didn’t get a lot of luck with that draft pick. There were some scenarios where a couple of talents slid to us but none of them went our way. That’s why I’m an advocate of trading up to get a wanted player rather just sitting back and ticking off names, particularly in the first round.


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[Dr Tigris]

We didn’t get a lot of luck with that draft pick. There were some scenarios where a couple of talents slid to us but none of them went our way. That’s why I’m an advocate of trading up to get a wanted player rather just sitting back and ticking off names, particularly in the first round.


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Yeah. Although I think the club as comfortable with picking Dow vs the cost in trading up.

We definitely seem to highly esteem our development and reckon if we get flawed but highly talented kids we can make them better all round.

The problem with trading up is that it is usually expensive and often you'll get the same player you would anyway. I guess it's the overall end results, e.g. 2 picks at 60% likelihood each or 1 at 70% and one at 35%. If you get that A grader then you've won. But once you get good journeymen, trading up starts to be problematic. You get a 150 gamer but potentially lose the chance at the same * 2.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

7. Hobbs Ward Sonsie
17. Sonsie Sinn Chesser
26-28. 3 of Bazzo Williams Roberts Macdonald Taylor Sheldrick Owens Windhager

Sonsie will be a bust. No contested game, short and slow.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

trading up is fine but at what cost

when you are giving away pick #7 plus another 1st rounder for an untried kid you better be bloody sure that kid is going to become a gun player otherwise yu end up going backwards. If you have a good talent identification department and in a draft like this year there will be many diamonds in the rough to be had.

I like our picks 26,27,28 and we should be able to find some real gems at that range from the vic kids this year

 

[sregit]

I'll hold you to that - if I remember and I have trouble remembering what day it, much les what happened last year.

I'll happily come and admit I was a poor judge with regard to RCD if he turns out a regular good performer. Will all you advocates for RCD come on admit you miss judged what a bog average player he was if he fails?

 

[Karp3_dm]

I'll happily come and admit I was a poor judge with regard to RCD if he turns out a regular good performer. Will all you advocates for RCD come on admit you miss judged what a bog average player he was if he fails?

We all know he has all the tools to be a jet, it’s just whether he can get that inner beast work ethic mode that all gun mids have to make it to thrive at the AFL level

 

[Stylo]

I'll happily come and admit I was a poor judge with regard to RCD if he turns out a regular good performer. Will all you advocates for RCD come on admit you miss judged what a bog average player he was if he fails?

absolutely... why wouldn't they? we're all speculating. all we can do is go on the evidence we've seen to date. I and many others have presented repeatedly the evidence we think supports the view that he's a promising young player. I stand by it now, but will happily admit fault if wrong.

on the other hand all you've presented is your opinion that he's 'bog average' and a challenge to RCD to 'make you look silly' but nothing to support why you have that opinion in the first place, indicating bias, hence why I think he may have run over your dog

 

[Dr Tigris]

I'll happily come and admit I was a poor judge with regard to RCD if he turns out a regular good performer. Will all you advocates for RCD come on admit you miss judged what a bog average player he was if he fails?

Admit I'm not perfect in every way!!

If RCD is crap then all I can say is

 

[sregit]

We all know he has all the tools to be a jet, it’s just whether he can get that inner beast work ethic mode that all gun mids have to make it to thrive at the AFL level

You didn’t answer the question?

 

[Marcel Proust]

trading up is fine but at what cost

when you are giving away pick #7 plus another 1st rounder for an untried kid you better be bloody sure that kid is going to become a gun player otherwise yu end up going backwards. If you have a good talent identification department and in a draft like this year there will be many diamonds in the rough to be had.

I like our picks 26,27,28 and we should be able to find some real gems at that range from the vic kids this year

The club seemed to think Horne was worth 3 first rounders and ccj. (Aka selling the farm)

Assuming that was legit

 

[Karp3_dm]

You didn’t answer the question?

How long is a piece of string?
But
With news that Lambert has taken him under his wing to get his tank and work rate up to AFL midfield standard I’ll be the first to call his piss weak heart out if he doesn’t make it

Answer satisfied?

I’m backing him in tho, cmon RCD activate beast mode