List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[Marcel Proust]

Apparently Essendon still thinking they can get Rance out of retirement. They can gagf.

Judas

 

[danielG]

If the talls next year aren't standouts at the beginning of the 1st round, I can't imagine they are substantially better than the handful available this year either.

I agree with you about best available with our first two picks, I don't care if they are mids or kpp, with 7 & 15 we just take the best player there and then use 26-28 on needs and list balance. If we end up with Gibcus & JVR with our first two, then maybe look at Bowes, Sheldrick & Long later on. If we end up with Erasmus/Hobbs/Johnson/Goater with our first two, then maybe look to include someone like Aleer in the 2nd round.

Is Hobbs a clear favorite to land at Tigers at pick 7 ? Are you guy confident he'll still be there at that pick ?
Wondering if Hawks and Tigers look to trade early picks. Hawks 5 & 21, Tigers 7 & 15. Tigs move up and get better chance of nabbing Hobbs and still have a premium pick in the low 20's. Points wise it works out almost exactly the same. Do Tigers do this deal ? As a Hawk unless we're sold on Ward or Erasmus I'd do this deal.

 

[69vintage]

I like the look of Erasmus too, here's some info on him plus a highlights vid.




Draft profile: Neil Erasmus
A mercurial high-flyer that can have an impact in the midfield and in attack.

Team: Subiaco
Position: Midfielder/Forward
Height: 188cm
Weight: 80kg

Subiaco's Neil Erasmus is an agile midfield/forward prospect with plenty of upside to his game.

The West Australian hasn't had a deep sample size to offer scouts, however the glimpses he has shown with the Lions in the WAFL U18s competition have been enough to suggest a first-round calling for the 17-year-old.

An inside midfielder that has the ability to move forward and impact the scoreboard, Erasmus frames as one of the more versatile smaller options in his class that could be a key feature for an AFL club as early as next year.

An Eagles fan, Erasmus looks up to West Coast star Elliot Yeo as an idol of his game, which is a fitting role model given the similarities between the pair.

Strengths
Vertical
Marking
Ball Winner Ability
Versatility
Forward Threat

Weaknesses
Disposal
Injury History

Draft Range
Pick 8-13

Potential Landing Spots
Fremantle (Pick 8), West Coast (Pick 10), Essendon (Pick 11), Greater Western Sydney (Pick 13)

AFL Comparisons
Elliot Yeo
Hugh Greenwood
Nat Fyfe

Expert Comments
"The tall midfielder has steadily been rising up draft boards this season and now shapes as a top-10 pick contender. Something of a surprise packet in 2020, Erasmus has taken things up a notch in 2021." - Callum Twomey

Reminds me of Scott McIvor .

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[blaisee]

Is Hobbs a clear favorite to land at Tigers at pick 7 ? Are you guy confident he'll still be there at that pick ?
Wondering if Hawks and Tigers look to trade early picks. Hawks 5 & 21, Tigers 7 & 15. Tigs move up and get better chance of nabbing Hobbs and still have a premium pick in the low 20's. Points wise it works out almost exactly the same. Do Tigers do this deal ? As a Hawk unless we're sold on Ward or Erasmus I'd do this deal.

no deal

7 and 15 are worth more than 5 and 21.

If Hawthorn want our picks they are going to have to pay way overs

 

[Dr Tigris]

Things have chopped and changed so much. There's been a lot of talk about depth areas that need to be addressed and where our best 22 could be upgraded.

A KPP is on the cards with one of our firsts.

Our preference is Gibcus at 9, but if he is gone, Amiss a chance. JVR at 17 likely if we go for a small with our first. (Rachele, Hobbs are the 2 most I am hearing outside of Gibcus and Amiss although Johnson, Sinn and Wanganeen-Milera have also been raised as possible options.)

17 is looking like JVR.

For our second rounders, Bazzo, Judson Clarke and Blake Howes have been mentioned. Ned Long a possible a shot here if we don't take all our picks as we still like him and rate him highly.

If Andrew drops are we interested?

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Erasmus is quality...
Takes a good grab...reasonable kick of the ball...takes the game/oppo on...good positioning...strikes me as a distributor of the ball...quarterback...of HBF...
Brings his team mates into the game....
Not sure how he would go solely as a mid...chasing the hardball...

 

[AstuteTiger]

Is Hobbs a clear favorite to land at Tigers at pick 7 ? Are you guy confident he'll still be there at that pick ?
Wondering if Hawks and Tigers look to trade early picks. Hawks 5 & 21, Tigers 7 & 15. Tigs move up and get better chance of nabbing Hobbs and still have a premium pick in the low 20's. Points wise it works out almost exactly the same. Do Tigers do this deal ? As a Hawk unless we're sold on Ward or Erasmus I'd do this deal.

Wouldnt do that deal, one of Hobbs, Gibcus, Johnson or Erasmus will fall to our pick 9. That pick 17 could also get us butler or sonsie, to name a few.

 

[danielG]

no deal

7 and 15 are worth more than 5 and 21.

In some drafts this wouldn't be the case but maybe you're right with this particular draft. I think Tigers are well placed. Pick 3 to pick 7 seems to be in the eye of the beholder. If Tigers love either Hobbs or Erasmus 5+21 for 7 +15 might be on the cards but if Tigers are happy to choose from Gibcus (if GC don't take him), Sinn (slight reach), Andrew (if GC & GWS don't take him) or maybe Hobbs slides anyway..

 

[danielG]

Wouldnt do that deal, one of Hobbs, Gibcus, Johnson or Erasmus will fall to our pick 9. That pick 17 could also get us butler or sonsie, to name a few.

True, but Sonsie is a reasonable chance to be available at 21(23). Looking at the draft order there will be a premium player at 21(23).

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Is Hobbs a clear favorite to land at Tigers at pick 7 ? Are you guy confident he'll still be there at that pick ?
Wondering if Hawks and Tigers look to trade early picks. Hawks 5 & 21, Tigers 7 & 15. Tigs move up and get better chance of nabbing Hobbs and still have a premium pick in the low 20's. Points wise it works out almost exactly the same. Do Tigers do this deal ? As a Hawk unless we're sold on Ward or Erasmus I'd do this deal.

I think if the player we want is there and were certain hes going either that pick or the Freo pick thereafter then you'd absolutely look at that deal. Maybe with a swap of later picks to even it up but id imagine with our super strong draft hand we will be using picks to slightly move up to get the targets we want.

 

[Hamsatma]

Seems like there are a lot of talls in next year's draft have been rated at the end of 1st round / start of second round. Could be like 2017 where CCJ, Allen, Balta, Taylor, DeKoening. McCartin and Petty all went in the 2nd round.

IMO should go best available with first 2 picks
9 Hobbs/Ward/Erasmus
17 Sinn/Goater/JVR

Then focus on needs in the 2nd round if available players are rated roughly the same

Agree, we don't want to be picking a tall for the sake of picking a tall - if they turn out to be no good then they're not fixing our kpp problem! If there's a tall we really rate early go for it, otherwise best available - especially with early picks

 

[danielG]

I think if the player we want is there and were certain hes going either that pick or the Freo pick thereafter then you'd absolutely look at that deal. Maybe with a swap of later picks to even it up but id imagine with our super strong draft hand we will be using picks to slightly move up to get the targets we want.

Yep, I see it exactly this way. Will be busy with live trading this year. Think we're all out of the running to get Callaghan so it becomes very even after that and becomes about who clubs value for their needs. I'm unsure if any of the available top tier talent are perfect fits for Hawks list needs so might make sense to move back...

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Yep, I see it exactly this way. Will be busy with live trading this year. Think we're all out of the running to get Callaghan so it becomes very even after that and becomes about who clubs value for their needs. I'm unsure if any of the available top tier talent are perfect fits for Hawks list needs so might make sense to move back...

Doubt it. You are taking Ward at your pick. Lock it in.

 

[Grockadoc]

If Andrew drops are we interested?

Not from what I have heard. We rate Ryan highly internally.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Not from what I have heard. We rate Ryan highly internally.

Who is Ryan?

 

[sregit]

Is Hobbs a clear favorite to land at Tigers at pick 7 ? Are you guy confident he'll still be there at that pick ?
Wondering if Hawks and Tigers look to trade early picks. Hawks 5 & 21, Tigers 7 & 15. Tigs move up and get better chance of nabbing Hobbs and still have a premium pick in the low 20's. Points wise it works out almost exactly the same. Do Tigers do this deal ? As a Hawk unless we're sold on Ward or Erasmus I'd do this deal.

I’d be okay with that.

 

[Mr Magic]

Is Hobbs a clear favorite to land at Tigers at pick 7 ? Are you guy confident he'll still be there at that pick ?
Wondering if Hawks and Tigers look to trade early picks. Hawks 5 & 21, Tigers 7 & 15. Tigs move up and get better chance of nabbing Hobbs and still have a premium pick in the low 20's. Points wise it works out almost exactly the same. Do Tigers do this deal ? As a Hawk unless we're sold on Ward or Erasmus I'd do this deal.

Not a chance in hell in my book.
If anything RFC looking to move 15 up I would have thought

I know why Hawks would want to do it, I hope RFC are not that stupid

Especially if Saint, West Coast or Bombers look to trade back those picks are far more enticing with later picks like 15 to move up.

7 and 15 is so far ahead of 5 and 21 it is not funny. If Callaghan is available at 5 okay, but he will not be. THere is not a lot of difference between 5 and 7 and a big difference between 15 and 21 in terms of draft quality perception, not just the number and clubs know it

Thats not even factoring in GWS academy and St Kilda Owens possibly pushing 21 even further back.

 

[SumTingWong]

Who is Ryan?

Is this a serious question or a troll?

 

[Tortured Tiger]

Who is Ryan?

Samson Ryan, the young ruckman we got from QLD last year. Played forward a lot in the vfl this season.

 

[Marcel Proust]

True, but Sonsie is a reasonable chance to be available at 21(23). Looking at the draft order there will be a premium player at 21(23).

Should be some get players at tigers picks 3/4/5 too.

Might want to add some futures picks otherewise gtfo

 

[tigerdan]

If the best available is a ruck i don't think we'd do it. But otherwise I think it's a good strategy.

 

[guruisatiger]

Reminds me of Scott McIvor .

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Hope selma and patty don't know him

 

[Bojangles17]

Erasmus is quality...
Takes a good grab...reasonable kick of the ball...takes the game/oppo on...good positioning...strikes me as a distributor of the ball...quarterback...of HBF...
Brings his team mates into the game....
Not sure how he would go solely as a mid...chasing the hardball...

Not what we want then, we got 3-4 starting HB already

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Samson Ryan, the young ruckman we got from QLD last year. Played forward a lot in the vfl this season.

U mean the guy that got donuts during his first game? He is a mile off still and may never make it.

 

[Grockadoc]

U mean the guy that got donuts during his first game? He is a mile off still and may never make it.

Yet he is far closer than Andrew. We are usually averse to drafting ruckman with our first rounder.