List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[Del65166]

He is in good company, didn't the great Jonathan Brown do the same thing ?

Ryan was one of a few selection errors. Terrible conditions, got injured. Similarly I reckon Miller should have played earlier. One of the games in Perth

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Is Hobbs a clear favorite to land at Tigers at pick 7 ? Are you guy confident he'll still be there at that pick ?
Wondering if Hawks and Tigers look to trade early picks. Hawks 5 & 21, Tigers 7 & 15. Tigs move up and get better chance of nabbing Hobbs and still have a premium pick in the low 20's. Points wise it works out almost exactly the same. Do Tigers do this deal ? As a Hawk unless we're sold on Ward or Erasmus I'd do this deal.

FMD.Those points again.lol

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

If Hobbs is Gone then that would mean 1 of Ward , Gibcus , Rachele is still available and just take the best rated

Not necessarily.. it could go after the 3 you mentioned:
Callighan, Gibcus, Rachelle, Ward, Hobbs.

Although I think Freo go Erasmus, but...

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Josh Goater interest from clubs inside top 15 is gaining momentum. I would love to get him at our pick 15. His size and athleticism is going to be a handful for a midfield. Would likely slot into our best 22 as next season went on.
Personally im leaning towards the Gibcus selection at pick 7. This kid is an athletic beast, and his interception game is as good at junior level since Jake Lever. Letting him develop under the tutelage of Grimes and Tarrant would be a great start to a new generation of a backline.
Picks 26,27,28 is a bit of a raffle, but if a Zac Taylor and Tyler Sonsie combo is available I would be happy to see them both taken. Both extremely high IQ footballers along with beautiful ball users.
Gibcus-7
Goater-15
Sonsie-26
Taylor-27
Aliir-28 (bit of a long shot but his athleticism is also off the charts and if a future backline came off with aliir and Gibcus it would be pretty special.)

Not sure Aliir is eligible for the ND. Would be the greatest swifty ever pulled if we drafted him from Port!

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

The point I was making is that we shouldn't miss Andrews just cause we have Ryan. Ryan is low chance of making it whilst Andrews is very talented. We need to developing ruck so if he is there we jump

And how big of a chance that Andrew makes it?
I'd say a similar chance as Biggie

 

[ize_]

We don't wanna go nuts picking players by position if there's better on the board, but I honestly feel like it's imperative that we pay up for a KPF in this draft so they get a year working with Jack. Despite being one of the best football brains in the biz, he's clearly going to spend 2022 onwards in the media. This is our best chance (for a few years at least) to have him as a forwards/development coach. Gotta make the most of it.

Given that you don't really get gun KPFs outside of the first round, it's gotta be 9 or 17. So it's either Amiss at 9 and then best mid left thumbsdown, or best mid at 9 and van Rooyen at 17. That's what I'm gunning for. But we really need to get a high calibre one in this year in order to maximise the full legacy.

 

[db26]

2 names I like the look of are very good value.
Isaac Birt
South Adelaide, SANFL/ Strathalbyn FC
State: South Australia, wingman

Hugh Jackson
North Adelaide, SANFL/Crystal Brook FC
State: South Australia

Any idea what range they go in the draft ?.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

combine him and stack and you have sydney harbour

Very nicely done...

 

[db26]

If Josh Gibcus is available to hard to pass this is a midfielders draft we still got 15 26 27 28 to address it.

 

[Profop]

And how big of a chance that Andrew makes it?
I'd say a similar chance as Biggie

On what basis could you come to that conclusion? Andrew is rated a top five to ten pick and biggie wasn’t rated anywhere near that.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

And how big of a chance that Andrew makes it?
I'd say a similar chance as Biggie

LOL - that's racist dude.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

LOL - that's racist dude

Do I need my sarcasm filter again. I got caught out a few weeks ago with this.

But if you are serious, I also made this comment a while back. I think when commenting on a particular race as having above average athletic skills, I am not sure it is wrong. It is generalising, but these tall African players that reach the State level, have similar traits. We've seen Marbs, but I haven't seen any of Biggie.

I think it's a fair question due to similar physical attributes. The point on Andrew though is his rating as an 18 y.o. Seems he is way ahead of Biggie at the same time. But can Biggie make quick development and reach the Allir Allir level?

I think taking Andrew is a mutually exclusive decision though.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Do I need my sarcasm filter again. I got caught out a few weeks ago with this.

But if you are serious, I also made this comment a while back. I think when commenting on a particular race as having above average athletic skills, I am not sure it is wrong. It is generalising, but these tall African players that reach the State level, have similar traits. We've seen Marbs, but I haven't seen any of Biggie.

I think it's a fair question due to similar physical attributes. The point on Andrew though is his rating as an 18 y.o. Seems he is way ahead of Biggie at the same time. But can Biggie make quick development and reach the Allir Allir level?

I think taking Andrew is a mutually exclusive decision though.

Biggie like all other 1st/2nd year kids has been extremely unlucky with his development due to covid and not having many real games to play
He has also had some injury issue's and been building both fitness and strength.

Biggy arrived at the club 195cm 82 kgs and is now 197cm 92kgs and will most probably be 95kgs by now and there are some who believe he is actually as tall as Chol (200cm)

But some fun facts that people may not know
20 mtr - 2.85 sec
Nyuon recorded a 92cm running and 73cm standing vertical leap, as well as a 2.85-second 20m sprint and 8.24-second agility test. Keeping in mind he is a 195cm ruck.

 

[Grockadoc]

Ward and Gibcus over Rachele. Rachele reminds me too much of Menzel

Would take Rachele in a heartbeat. Would be an upgrade on George.

 

[Mr Magic]

Biggie like all other 1st/2nd year kids has been extremely unlucky with his development due to covid and not having many real games to play
He has also had some injury issue's and been building both fitness and strength.

Biggy arrived at the club 195cm 82 kgs and is now 197cm 92kgs and will most probably be 95kgs by now and there are some who believe he is actually as tall as Chol (200cm)

But some fun facts that people may not know
20 mtr - 2.85 sec
Nyuon recorded a 92cm running and 73cm standing vertical leap, as well as a 2.85-second 20m sprint and 8.24-second agility test. Keeping in mind he is a 195cm ruck.

Where is Biggy at in terms of endurance at the moment?

On face value I see him more as a ruck prospect than anything. That by no means means I am right obviously.

I just think he has it athletically. I am not sure what role helps him capitalise on his attributes. The backline and forward line requires IQ and use of bodywork beyond pure athletics. I know Biggy is more than a athlete, he can kick, can take a mark, but there are levels of expertise and IQ, and I am not saying Biggy cannot improve and excel rather his draft highlights are raw. I look at Allir Allir and despite his impact he is largely operating as a third man interceptor at Port where he has been quite effective whereas beyond that the challenge is greater.

With Biggy, he can leap, maybe his best role might be ruck where he can roam around the ground using his athleticism and he might be able to be a little like a quasi Goodes/Jackson type where its more a combination of ruck/ruck rover where he does more with ground ball and defensively due to his athleticism. I think its too early to tell where he might end up role wise and a lot is dependent on his development.

Looking at MacAndrew, he is taller, looks lighter on his feet with more feel, better balanced but he is still raw too. MacAndrew is lighter than Biggy to. I can see how MacAndrew is rated higher but both are at the early stages. It will be interesting to see how both develop

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Where is Biggy at in terms of endurance at the moment?

On face value I see him more as a ruck prospect than anything. That by no means means I am right obviously.

I just think he has it athletically. I am not sure what role helps him capitalise on his attributes. The backline and forward line requires IQ and use of bodywork beyond pure athletics. I know Biggy is more than a athlete, he can kick, can take a mark, but there are levels of expertise and IQ, and I am not saying Biggy cannot improve and excel rather his draft highlights are raw. I look at Allir Allir and despite his impact he is largely operating as a third man interceptor at Port where he has been quite effective whereas beyond that the challenge is greater.

With Biggy, he can leap, maybe his best role might be ruck where he can roam around he ground using his athleticism and he might be able to be a little like a quasi Goodes/Jackson type where its more a combination of ruck/ruck rover where he does more with ground ball and defensively due to his athleticism. I think its too early to tell where he might end up role wise and a lot is dependent on his development

Bigger Faster more agile Dylan Grimes in 2-3 years time

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Do I need my sarcasm filter again. I got caught out a few weeks ago with this.

But if you are serious, I also made this comment a while back. I think when commenting on a particular race as having above average athletic skills, I am not sure it is wrong. It is generalising, but these tall African players that reach the State level, have similar traits. We've seen Marbs, but I haven't seen any of Biggie.

I think it's a fair question due to similar physical attributes. The point on Andrew though is his rating as an 18 y.o. Seems he is way ahead of Biggie at the same time. But can Biggie make quick development and reach the Allir Allir level?

I think taking Andrew is a mutually exclusive decision though.

No sarcasm - I was fair dinkum. I'm not going to give this more oxygen but it was blatant and unfair on both kids.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Personally i dont believe be are that 'into' him nd its just the media putting 2 and 2 together and ending up with 6
Richmond need inside mid accumulator hobbs is that player and will be at that range.

Richmond trying to trade upto #2 indicates to me Finn Callaghan is the player we really want and is the only player we would trade upto get otherwise take picks as they fall and if Callaghan was available at the Hawks pick then the Hawks would just take him and not trade.

If Hobbs is Gone then that would mean 1 of Ward , Gibcus , Rachele is still available and just take the best rated

Nah the link is real. We want one of Callaghan, Hobbs or Ward in that order.

We haven't been trying to trade up with GWS, GC and Adel for fun. Its to ensure we get one of these guys.

 

[Marcel Proust]

This is what I would do.

Trade pick 7, 15 and our 2022 first for pick 2 and pick 13 from GWS


That leaves us with 2, 13, 26,27,28


Come draft time more take place depending on who falls during first round after the early picks

Part of the reasoning is Callaghan is a fit we need in terms of height, marking, mobility, left foot etc.. can play wing and other spots.

He is higher rated and in terms of our list with Balta, Bolton and others gives the appeal of our list a big boost going forward attracting talent

Giving up a 2022 first and 7 is a lot, even if we hope the 2022 first is later so a shift from 15 to 13 is necessary I think could be significant for us getting someone we really want at 13 as opposed to just missing at 15.

If we have 13 and a highly rated prospect is close we could still trade with North's 2022 second and our second in 2022 to get the player we want with our second pick in the 2021 draft. We could also trade 13 back to 15 with GWS depending on who is slipping and who wants who in live trading

You could argue the greatest need in the best 22 , for next season, is a wing

That alone makes paying overs for Callaghan maybe worth it

 

[Lord of the Wings]

the biggest draw back from Mac Andrew is that his value will drop a far bit even if he plays 15 -20 games. The comp does not value rucks that highly. Medium/ tall forwards and Midfielders hold value.

Luke Jackson?

Turned the GF and has played 30 games

 

[Mr Magic]

You could argue the greatest need in the best 22 , for next season, is a wing

That alone makes paying overs for Callaghan maybe worth it

I think some underrate how hard it is to get absolute guns to your club if you think a prospect has it. We where lucky to get Dusty at three thanks to Melb

 

[guruisatiger]

Very nicely done...

Thanks sir

 

[Bird Man]

Luke Jackson?

Turned the GF and has played 30 games

Almost a 30kg difference
had a full development in juniors (no covid)
Also was carried by arguably the best Ruck in the league

either way if Jackson asked for a trade they wouldn't get a top 5 pick. Is he worth it ? yes he is

But would clubs pay it for a ruckman ? history proves otherwise

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Almost a 30kg difference
had a full development in juniors (no covid)
Also was carried by arguably the best Ruck in the league

either way if Jackson asked for a trade they wouldn't get a top 5 pick. Is he worth it ? yes he is

But would clubs pay it for a ruckman ? history proves otherwise

Nankervis traded to Richmond

The Sydney Swans have finalised a trade with Richmond that will see ruckman Toby Nankervis move to the Tigers in exchange for pick 46.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

 

[bc27]

Do I need my sarcasm filter again. I got caught out a few weeks ago with this.

But if you are serious, I also made this comment a while back. I think when commenting on a particular race as having above average athletic skills, I am not sure it is wrong. It is generalising, but these tall African players that reach the State level, have similar traits. We've seen Marbs, but I haven't seen any of Biggie.

I think it's a fair question due to similar physical attributes. The point on Andrew though is his rating as an 18 y.o. Seems he is way ahead of Biggie at the same time. But can Biggie make quick development and reach the Allir Allir level?

I think taking Andrew is a mutually exclusive decision though.

Obviously never heard of racial profiling. Poor comment.