Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[B4Bear]

So glad he sorted that out. I will be off to get my hearing and sight checked, obviously I am hearing and seeing things that have just never happened with regards to our always honest and truthful PM who upholds the 9th commandment so magnificently.

 

[ferball]

And honestly I find it uncomfortable seeing people describing the people he shot as victims, they were all scumbags, especially the bloke whose a serial child rapist. To see the left sticking up for those people is sickening. They were most likely just there to cause trouble like him.

What do you base that on. (Apart from Rosenbaum obviously.)

 

[B4Bear]

He dances to no one else's tune, and occasionally nails it.

 

[Val Keating]

Just because they are scumbags and bad people doesn't give you the right to deny them their legal rights, nor rename them because of your own beliefs. Since when has the application of a word, in this case a noun a political leaning thing? It is beneath you to taint others because they think that the law and its application should be different for different people.

The photos you show are all after he shot the first victim, and what we see here is the response to that by the mob. Any pictures of him shooting the first unarmed person?

His decision to act as a vigilante set this whole chain of events in motion.

How is this for a counter example?

Imagine if a group of veterans were to have gone to the Shrine of Remembrance to defend it from the anti-vaxxer mob, and in the ensuing riot an anti-vaxxer was killed by one of the veterans using a hunting knife. And their defence was that they were acting in self-defence because they had felt themselves to be threatened by one of the mob.

Further, it was discovered post-killing that the person killed was a convicted criminal with a string of convictions including, rape, armed robbery and assault; would the courts say that they are not a victim? Should the veteran be allowed to walk?

Ok, like I wrote I don’t know enough about the legal system over there but I know enough that you’re example doesn’t stack up because we have different laws. Though I do doubt that the court over there will take the people he killed previous crimes into account in the trial, because he just got lucky.

Secondly, I am perfectly fine with a serial child rapist being killed. We should let our military and police use them as target practice. Or even replace crash test dummies with them. Maybe even harvest their organs for people that need transplants. They’re the most evil, vile people on the planet. Wouldn’t lose a single nights sleep over it.

 

[Val Keating]

What do you base that on. (Apart from Rosenbaum obviously.)

Huber was a known offender of domestic violence and rapist; Rosenbaum had sexually abused children; Grosskreutz had been arrested on suspicion of multiple crimes, including felony burglary, and all three victims were convicted felons.

Obviously Grosskreutz isn’t up there with the other two, but he survived so maybe karma is real.

What's True and False About People Kyle Rittenhouse Shot in Kenosha

Fans of the teenager launched an online campaign to smear the reputations of his victims.

www.snopes.com

 

[ferball]

All hat no Katter...

My cousin was working on bringing in legislation to cover the costs of medical treatment for fire fighters who get cancer, as the secretary for the Tasmanian branch of the Firefighters Union. Its a situation that happens alot given the exposures to toxic stuff, especially for townies. He was presenting their case in Canberra, to parliament and Katter came up to him afterward and said wtte of "I've spent my life hating unions and still do but what you said has got to me and you have my 100% support." Katter has since done everything he can to aid with the passing of presumption legislation for cancer in fire fighters.

I don't agree with alot of what he says but he does seem legitimately concerned about doing the right thing.

 

[Chadwiko]

The photos you show are all after he shot the first victim, and what we see here is the response to that by the mob. Any pictures of him shooting the first unarmed person?

His decision to act as a vigilante set this whole chain of events in motion.

This is the primary factor.

Rittenhouse was the instigator.

 

[B4Bear]

Huber was a known offender of domestic violence and rapist; Rosenbaum had sexually abused children; Grosskreutz had been arrested on suspicion of multiple crimes, including felony burglary, and all three victims were convicted felons.

Obviously Grosskreutz isn’t up there with the other two, but he survived so maybe karma is real.

What's True and False About People Kyle Rittenhouse Shot in Kenosha

Fans of the teenager launched an online campaign to smear the reputations of his victims.

www.snopes.com

Sorry, I fundamentally disagree with every single point you are making here.

Also it is easy to make this as karmic justice, when the reality is, none of their crimes or previous actions were known prior to their deaths.

There previous crimes becoming part of the 'justification' is like shooting the arrow, then painting the bullseye around it.

Extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances in the Philippines - Wikipedia

What you are advocating was actual public policy in the Philippines, a truly horrendous way of running a 'justice' system.

 

[7577969923]

Huber was a known offender of domestic violence and rapist; Rosenbaum had sexually abused children; Grosskreutz had been arrested on suspicion of multiple crimes, including felony burglary, and all three victims were convicted felons.

Obviously Grosskreutz isn’t up there with the other two, but he survived so maybe karma is real.

What's True and False About People Kyle Rittenhouse Shot in Kenosha

Fans of the teenager launched an online campaign to smear the reputations of his victims.

www.snopes.com

All of which prompts the question; So what?

There is no way Rittenhouse knew anything about the background of his victims. The law doesn't make a distinction based on the worthiness of the victims. A 17 kid has no authority whatsoever to appoint himself judge, jury, and executioner.

The right in the US tried the same thing with George Floyd, believing that if they smeared his character enough it would make what Chauvin did seem justified. It didn't succeed and Chauvin will have a couple of decades to think about what a campaigner he is.

 

[ferball]

Huber was a known offender of domestic violence and rapist; Rosenbaum had sexually abused children; Grosskreutz had been arrested on suspicion of multiple crimes, including felony burglary, and all three victims were convicted felons.

Obviously Grosskreutz isn’t up there with the other two, but he survived so maybe karma is real.

What's True and False About People Kyle Rittenhouse Shot in Kenosha

Fans of the teenager launched an online campaign to smear the reputations of his victims.

www.snopes.com

Grosskreutz was a paramedic who claimed (in court under oath) to have treated 10 people that night before the confrontation.

He isn't a convicted felon and has been convicted of basically being loud in public. He once recorded police vehicles for some reason or other. I've recorded cops too and would have done it more if I had a video camera (or video phones were invented) the time I saw them seperating buds from mull plants during one of their thieving missions up here.

He is alleged to have used a gun while pissed (I've done that and know shitloads of others who have too, to varyting degrees of idiocy) but not convicted and was accused of drink driving but not convicted. (I've driven while over the limit too, have you?)

While he approached R/H with a loaded weapon he also claims R/H tried to shoot him while he had his arms up then when the weapon jammed R/H rechambered a round.

None of that makes him a scumbag.

 

[Groucho]

Between “Midnight Mass” and Bert’s funeral I haven’t seen so much Catholic stuff in many a long year.

 

[Ligma]

RIP Bert what a beautiful funeral.

 

[Liam Boy]

Huber was a known offender of domestic violence and rapist; Rosenbaum had sexually abused children; Grosskreutz had been arrested on suspicion of multiple crimes, including felony burglary, and all three victims were convicted felons.

Obviously Grosskreutz isn’t up there with the other two, but he survived so maybe karma is real.

What's True and False About People Kyle Rittenhouse Shot in Kenosha

Fans of the teenager launched an online campaign to smear the reputations of his victims.

www.snopes.com

how is any of that revelant? is the punishment for those crimes being gunned down in the street?

put yourself in the position of these people. you're coming off an enormous, years long wave of mass shootings by people who overwhelmingly match rittenhouse's demographic description. this guy, that same type of guy shows up with an assault rifle, and shoots and kills a person. is it not the natural response to think "someone's gotta stop this guy or way, way more people are going to die?" any attempt to subdue an active shooter is inherently an act of self defense. when you're in that situation, you don't know that rittenhouse has deluded himself into thinking that he's "protecting property," you know that there's a guy with a gun who's willing to use it on unarmed people.

it doesn't matter whether these attempts to smear his victims are true, it's a distraction. things those people did years earlier are not relevant in any way.

 

[Val Keating]

how is any of that revelant? is the punishment for those crimes being gunned down in the street?

put yourself in the position of these people. you're coming off an enormous, years long wave of mass shootings by people who overwhelmingly match rittenhouse's demographic description. this guy, that same type of guy shows up with an assault rifle, and shoots and kills a person. is it not the natural response to think "someone's gotta stop this guy or way, way more people are going to die?" any attempt to subdue an active shooter is inherently an act of self defense. when you're in that situation, you don't know that rittenhouse has deluded himself into thinking that he's "protecting property," you know that there's a guy with a gun who's willing to use it on unarmed people.

it doesn't matter whether these attempts to smear his victims are true, it's a distraction. things those people did years earlier are not relevant in any way.

Put myself in the shoes of child rapists? How about no.

 

[Val Keating]

All of which prompts the question; So what?

There is no way Rittenhouse knew anything about the background of his victims. The law doesn't make a distinction based on the worthiness of the victims. A 17 kid has no authority whatsoever to appoint himself judge, jury, and executioner.

The right in the US tried the same thing with George Floyd, believing that if they smeared his character enough it would make what Chauvin did seem justified. It didn't succeed and Chauvin will have a couple of decades to think about what a campaigner he is.

I’m not saying that’s why he’ll get off. I even wrote that it will play no role in his trial. I’m just saying that the two people he killed were monsters and the world is better off without them.

I’m not suggesting that Rittenhouse should’ve gone to the riots armed with an AR-15. I’m not that mental.

I’m just saying that the killing of a serial child rapist and another rapist is not a bad outcome. Obviously he had no idea that’s who they were when he shot them but going by their criminal history there’s no doubt they weren’t there to support BLM, they were there to cause trouble, something that has actually undermined the BLM movement.

And please don’t compare that to what happened to Floyd. Completely different situations. Floyd was murdered by a police officer on a power trip. These shootings took place in a state of anarchy. The riots were chaos. Very different situations.

Must admit that I’m curious as to why the murders committed by Rittenhouse are higher profile then all the other murders that took place during the riots. I’ve seen estimates ranging from 25 to 40 murders took place during that period of unrest, yet this particular case is the only one I’ve heard of. Weird.

 

[Val Keating]

Sorry, I fundamentally disagree with every single point you are making here.

Also it is easy to make this as karmic justice, when the reality is, none of their crimes or previous actions were known prior to their deaths.

There previous crimes becoming part of the 'justification' is like shooting the arrow, then painting the bullseye around it.

Extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances in the Philippines - Wikipedia

What you are advocating was actual public policy in the Philippines, a truly horrendous way of running a 'justice' system.

Like I wrote. Luckily he just happened to kill monsters. Everyone’s a winner.

 

[B4Bear]

I’m not saying that’s why he’ll get off. I even wrote that it will play no role in his trial. I’m just saying that the two people he killed were monsters and the world is better off without them.

I’m not suggesting that Rittenhouse should’ve gone to the riots armed with an AR-15. I’m not that mental.

I’m just saying that the killing of a serial child rapist and another rapist is not a bad outcome. Obviously he had no idea that’s who they were when he shot them but going by their criminal history there’s no doubt they weren’t there to support BLM, they were there to cause trouble, something that has actually undermined the BLM movement.

And please don’t compare that to what happened to Floyd. Completely different situations. Floyd was murdered by a police officer on a power trip. These shootings took place in a state of anarchy. The riots were chaos. Very different situations.

Must admit that I’m curious as to why the murders committed by Rittenhouse are higher profile then all the other murders that took place during the riots. I’ve seen estimates ranging from 25 to 40 murders took place during that period of unrest, yet this particular case is the only one I’ve heard of. Weird.

It played out in public view on social media. Haven't heard of any others where that occured.

 

[ferball]

I’m not saying that’s why he’ll get off. I even wrote that it will play no role in his trial. I’m just saying that the two people he killed were monsters and the world is better off without them.

I’m not suggesting that Rittenhouse should’ve gone to the riots armed with an AR-15. I’m not that mental.

I’m just saying that the killing of a serial child rapist and another rapist is not a bad outcome. Obviously he had no idea that’s who they were when he shot them but going by their criminal history there’s no doubt they weren’t there to support BLM, they were there to cause trouble, something that has actually undermined the BLM movement.

And please don’t compare that to what happened to Floyd. Completely different situations. Floyd was murdered by a police officer on a power trip. These shootings took place in a state of anarchy. The riots were chaos. Very different situations.

Must admit that I’m curious as to why the murders committed by Rittenhouse are higher profile then all the other murders that took place during the riots. I’ve seen estimates ranging from 25 to 40 murders took place during that period of unrest, yet this particular case is the only one I’ve heard of. Weird.

Huber wasn't a rapist, there is no evidence he was ever charged with or convicted of that crime (the allegation was made up by campaigners to smear the reputation of a dead guy,) and his domestic violence charges were from fights with his siblings.

This sort of thing often happens to black people who get killed by cops in the US. Past crimes (sometimes invented or exaggerated) are made public and used as an excuse to justify the killing.

 

[Val Keating]

Huber wasn't a rapist, there is no evidence he was ever charged with or convicted of that crime (the allegation was made up by campaigners to smear the reputation of a dead guy,) and his domestic violence charges were from fights with his siblings.

This sort of thing often happens to black people who get killed by cops in the US. Past crimes (sometimes invented or exaggerated) are made public and used as an excuse to justify the killing.

Are you srawmanimg me Ferbs?

 

[ferball]

Are you srawmanimg me Ferbs?

Some of those claims about Huber and Grosskreutz by Ian Miles Cheong are lies and exaggerations that fit with a pattern of trying to justify killings by highlighting separate crimes that have nothing to do with the case.

That snopes article you linked to debunks them. The claims of burglary and rape are not credible and there is no evidence for them.

Even Rosembaum, who clearly had mental health issues and shouldn't have been in public wasn't a sleazebag type abuser. His crime fits the pattern of intergenerational abuse and he claimed he was abused as a kid by his stepdad. I'm not saying that to justify his crime either. The world is probably a better place cos he is dead, harsh as that sounds. But even he wasn't a real monster, just a ****ed up human.

I put the cartoon up because it seems to sum these events up rather creepily.

 

[Val Keating]

Is this the bloke you want really want to stick up for Ferbs? Look at all those domestic abuse charges, including strangulation witch is one of the tells that a domestic abuser will likely kill the person they’re abusing one day. The record is there for everyone to see.


Huber had a disorderly conduct conviction from 2018 as a domestic abuse repeater, which is a misdemeanor. He gave a Kenosha address. Here are the charges in that case.

940.19(1) Battery Misd. A Dismissed on Prosecutor’s Motion
Modifier: 939.62(1)(a) Repeater
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse

2 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B Guilty Due to Guilty Plea
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.62(1)(a) Repeater

He also had a forfeiture case for possessing drug paraphernalia.

He also had a case from 2012 with these charges:

1 941.30(2) 2nd-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety Felony G Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 939.63(1)(c) Use of a Dangerous Weapon
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse

2 940.235(1) Strangulation and Suffocation Felony H Guilty Due to Guilty Plea
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse

3 940.30 False Imprisonment Felony H Guilty Due to Guilty Plea
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon

4 940.19(1) Battery Misd. A Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(a) Use of a Dangerous Weapon

5 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(a) Use of a Dangerous Weapon

6 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse

 

[Val Keating]

Some of those claims about Huber and Grosskreutz by Ian Miles Cheong are lies and exaggerations that fit with a pattern of trying to justify killings by highlighting separate crimes that have nothing to do with the case.

That snopes article you linked to debunks them. The claims of burglary and rape are not credible and there is no evidence for them.

Even Rosembaum, who clearly had mental health issues and shouldn't have been in public wasn't a sleazebag type abuser. His crime fits the pattern of intergenerational abuse and he claimed he was abused as a kid by his stepdad. I'm not saying that to justify his crime either. The world is probably a better place cos he is dead, harsh as that sounds. But even he wasn't a real monster, just a f’ed up human.

I put the cartoon up because it seems to sum these events up rather creepily.

You’re making me a tad angry now. Rosenbaum r*ped 5 young boys. That’s five lives probably ruined if not definitely tormented

 

[ferball]

Is this the bloke you want really want to stick up for Ferbs? Look at all those domestic abuse charges, including strangulation witch is one of the tells that a domestic abuser will likely kill the person they’re abusing one day. The record is there for everyone to see.


Huber had a disorderly conduct conviction from 2018 as a domestic abuse repeater, which is a misdemeanor. He gave a Kenosha address. Here are the charges in that case.

940.19(1) Battery Misd. A Dismissed on Prosecutor’s Motion
Modifier: 939.62(1)(a) Repeater
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse

2 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B Guilty Due to Guilty Plea
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.62(1)(a) Repeater

He also had a forfeiture case for possessing drug paraphernalia.

He also had a case from 2012 with these charges:

1 941.30(2) 2nd-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety Felony G Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 939.63(1)(c) Use of a Dangerous Weapon
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse

2 940.235(1) Strangulation and Suffocation Felony H Guilty Due to Guilty Plea
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse

3 940.30 False Imprisonment Felony H Guilty Due to Guilty Plea
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(b) Use of a Dangerous Weapon

4 940.19(1) Battery Misd. A Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(a) Use of a Dangerous Weapon

5 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse
Modifier: 939.63(1)(a) Use of a Dangerous Weapon

6 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B Charge Dismissed but Read In
Modifier: 968.075(1)(a) Domestic Abuse

The 2012 case which included strangulation involved a fight between him and his brother that apparently started because his brother wanted to take him to hospital for a mental health assessment.

The other domestic violence incident appears to be a shouting match between he and his sister, tho there could be more to that that I haven't come across yet.

That isn't the same as an abusive controlling partner in a domestic relationship. Especially fighting with his brother and even more especially if he was suffering from a mental health breakdown of some sort. Remember that mate I mentioned recently who had the psychotic breakdown after she tried to kick heroin? I woke up at four oclock one morning and watched her standing at the door to our bedroom with a ****en knife in her hand! She wasn't a monster.

Have you ever heard siblings threaten to kill each other? My kids do it regularly (but I doubt they are serious.) I said it to my brother when we were young and I'm sure he returned the favour. We've had some intense fights too. One or both of us would be done for assault these days. (I've also had bongs in my possession at times. Hardly worth getting shot over.)

And you are missing the point. Bringing this up is completely irrelevent to the campaigner that shot them. He turned up to a protest with an assault rifle. if he thought he wasn't going to have to use it he is a ****en idiot. (And I think he probably acted in what he genuinely thought was self defense. Which means its self defense.)

Just don't buy into any of it. It was a tragic event for everyone concerned.

 

[ferball]

You’re making me a tad angry now. Rosenbaum r*ped 5 young boys. That’s five lives probably ruined if not definitely tormented

Yeah and at his trial or in the investigation he claimed his stepfather sexually abused him and his brother every day while they were kids. Like I said, the world is a better place now he's dead but on the scale of abuse its not anywhere near some of the shit I've known about personally or even helped people escape from.

And it wasn't him I was talking about when I mentioned that people like Cheong are lying about crimes to make shooting people seem okay.

 

[Val Keating]

The 2012 case which included strangulation involved a fight between him and his brother that apparently started because his brother wanted to take him to hospital for a mental health assessment.

The other domestic violence incident appears to be a shouting match between he and his sister, tho there could be more to that that I haven't come across yet.

That isn't the same as an abusive controlling partner in a domestic relationship. Especially fighting with his brother and even more especially if he was suffering from a mental health breakdown of some sort. Remember that mate I mentioned recently who had the psychotic breakdown after she tried to kick heroin? I woke up at four oclock one morning and watched her standing at the door to our bedroom with a fu**en knife in her hand! She wasn't a monster.

Have you ever heard siblings threaten to kill each other? My kids do it regularly (but I doubt they are serious.) I said it to my brother when we were young and I'm sure he returned the favour. We've had some intense fights too. One or both of us would be done for assault these days. (I've also had bongs in my possession at times. Hardly worth getting shot over.)

And you are missing the point. Bringing this up is completely irrelevent to the campaigner that shot them. He turned up to a protest with an assault rifle. if he thought he wasn't going to have to use it he is a fu**en idiot. (And I think he probably acted in what he genuinely thought was self defense. Which means its self defense.)

Just don't buy into any of it. It was a tragic event for everyone concerned.

First off, yes siblings and cousins fight. I fought with my male cousins all the time. We grew out of it though.

Secondly, not once have I stated that because the people he killed are scum that he should get a pass. I was just pointing out that they’re scumbags and the world is better off without them.