Father Son/ Academy Free Hits.

[ItsAllAboutMe]

The bolded part is already in place. As for removing the discount, I fully agree. There is no logical reason behind the discount existing when you are already getting to bundle up rubbish picks to get access to a higher pick. I'd even be fine with it going one step further and applying a 10-20% penalty on bid matching. If you want the player that bad, you should pay up

The bidding is a farce and rarely reflects the true value of a player with clubs reluctant to bid on players they know they will never land. Need an independent person to place them in a band could have picks 1-5, 6-10, 11- 20, 21-40 which determines the price the club must pay to acquire.

 

[Jack Green]

The big advantage Geelong got was being able to get Hawkins and Selwood in the same year. If the rules were changed a year earlier, Selwood wouldn't be a Geelong player

Yep, timing and luck just like most things in life. AFL rules always changing and evolving. Just got to hope your club benefits at the right time rather than suffers.

 

[citizen-erased]

Scarlett from memory was never highly rated prior to the draft, Ablett was rated maybe a late 1st round pick in the 2001 super draft. Hawkins was widely regarded as the number 1 pick though

wasn't the jury out on GAJ.
Fairly sure no one predicted he'd be as good as he was.

 

[Vikingnz]

Most of those games for Hawthorn weren't actually played for Hawthorn

Steven Greene 42
Travis Tuck 20
Josh Kennedy 13
Finn Maginness 3

Unless it is going way back to John Kennedy's 241

We did at least take Mitchell as revenge for Kennedy

I just ripped the data off Wikipedia, looks like it's not even up to date with 2021 games.

 

[Mofra]

wasn't the jury out on GAJ.
Fairly sure no one predicted he'd be as good as he was.

Even his first couple of years weren't special. A pretty bog standard HFFer until the senior guys challenged him, he had one huge pre-season and just blew the comp away.

 

[HairyO]

Most of those games for Hawthorn weren't actually played for Hawthorn

Steven Greene 42
Travis Tuck 20
Josh Kennedy 13
Finn Maginness 3

Unless it is going way back to John Kennedy's 241

We did at least take Mitchell as revenge for Kennedy

Paul Hudson. 130 games for 260 goals.

 

[danster168]

Melbourne is the same. We have had 1 decent father son (Viney) in about 30 years. And our only NGA product (Mac Andrew) was stolen due to the Dogs getting unfairly gifted (yet again) a number 1 draft pick last year. I guess we just have to suck it up. it's not an even competition, it never has been. And we have one of the most compromised drafts of any sport in the world.

 

[vozzon]

Crows rookie listen Ben Jarman and Jackson Edwards for a combined total of 0 games and they probably only got rookie listed in the first place because of their surnames - still yet to take a father/son in the national draft

Ironically Port Adelaide's only father/son to play AFL footy thus far was Ebert who technically, but no one realised because of how stupid that concept would have been, wasn't actually eligible to be taken F/S at the time of his drafting -

Ebert not eligible was pretty funny, if he wasnt then we had no chance of getting any F/S picks. After all that the Melb clubs got full use of F/S and priority picks to build up there lists lol.

Gibbs was very unlucky as well.

 

[Purple Suit]

Most of those games for Hawthorn weren't actually played for Hawthorn

Steven Greene 42
Travis Tuck 20
Josh Kennedy 13
Finn Maginness 3

Unless it is going way back to John Kennedy's 241

We did at least take Mitchell as revenge for Kennedy

The data does seem strange. It looks like it's included Josh Kennedy's Sydney games while excluding Brett Peake's saints games for Freo.

So it appears Hawks have the worse FS selections of the Melbourne teams.

 

[windyhill]

You had Matthew Lloyd all lined up , until your former chief executive changed the F/S rules. God bless Ian Collins.
Now we calmly await the arrival of The Davey twins.

 

[Schauermann]

Statistically, you are correct

Club	Total	Average
Geelong	1233​	94.85​
Collingwood	962​	60.13​
Essendon	743​	106.14​
Western Bulldogs	722​	90.25​
Richmond	640​	80.00​
West Coast	549​	91.50​
Carlton	533​	53.30​
Fitzroy/Brisbane	314​	78.50​
Hawthorn	308​	77.00​
Sydney	251​	50.20​
Melbourne	220​	36.67​
Port Adelaide	166​	41.50​
North Melbourne	140​	35.00​
St Kilda	104​	34.67​
Fremantle	75​	75.00​
Adelaide	0​	0.00​

Oh, we are not last on that list. Forgot about Brett Peake...

 

[Dangerousfield]

Just adds further to the luck the Bulldogs have had with the father son rule

and with positive umpiring for them for the last six years!

 

[Dogflogger]

Saints fans have a reason to hate the father son rule. Not only do St Kilda players have female children exclusively but we lost back to back premierships to two teams with hall of fame quality father sons

 

[iameviljez]

The big advantage Geelong got was being able to get Hawkins and Selwood in the same year. If the rules were changed a year earlier, Selwood wouldn't be a Geelong player

That’s not a coincidence. The rules basically were changed because of Hawkins.

 

[piesaregreat]

F/S picks depend on your clubs recruit development programs as do all your recruits. If your club has been poor for the last 30 years then how good have your development progams been? Should you have expected kids to play without mentoring or competent training? How many kids have been wasted?

 

[hawkman]

That’s not a coincidence. The rules basically were changed because of Hawkins.

Yeah same as the rules changed about NGA's because of Ugle-Hagan.

The AFL reacts after 1 team gets a massive advantage from the rules they set

 

[iameviljez]

Yeah same as the rules changed about NGA's because of Ugle-Hagan.

The AFL reacts after 1 team gets a massive advantage from the rules they set

And the third man up rule came in with Blicavs playing the role well in 2016 to cover our ruck problems

 

[kane249]

Oh, we are not last on that list. Forgot about Brett Peake...

Injuries cut him down, but i'm still not sure why Clem Michael wasn't father-son for your mob

 

[danster168]

is it a coincidence that the dogs supporters are extremely quiet in this thread? lol. everyone has been spot on thus far. Rules were changed with Hawkins and Ugle-Hagan after the AFL identified that too much of an advantage had been given. But as others have pointed out. The damage has been done. I'm filthy we don't get Mac Andrew. That's a decade of a good player just because the AFL decided to further advantage the dogs by changing the rules in a year when they don't have a first round NGA player but multiple clubs do, like us and stkilda.

 

[kane249]

is it a coincidence that the dogs supporters are extremely quiet in this thread? lol. everyone has been spot on thus far. Rules were changed with Hawkins and Ugle-Hagan after the AFL identified that too much of an advantage had been given. But as others have pointed out. The damage has been done. I'm filthy we don't get Mac Andrew. That's a decade of a good player just because the AFL decided to further advantage the dogs by changing the rules in a year when they don't have a first round NGA player but multiple clubs do, like us and stkilda.

Given your side has Luke Jackson did the Demons really need Mac Andrew though?

 

[hawkman]

Given your side has Luke Jackson did the Demons really need Mac Andrew though?

Not sure that it is really the point. They could have gained a top 5 talent while at worst using pick 18

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Meh they can never win and no one will ever be happy.

Current rules are more than fine. Clubs have to pay a premium.

The one thing I’ll say is tht id remove the discount for first rounders, and top 5 picks should be open market. If the club wants that said player they will have to organise a trade

 

[hawkman]

Meh they can never win and no one will ever be happy.

Current rules are more than fine. Clubs have to pay a premium.

The one thing I’ll say is tht id remove the discount for first rounders, and top 5 picks should be open market. If the club wants that said player they will have to organise a trade

I would also add you have to at least use a pick within 18 picks or a full round to start the matching process

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I would also add you have to at least use a pick within 18 picks or a full round to start the matching process

More than happy with that coming in too.

 

[FrustratedTiger]

Take it up with your past players. Which superstars give birth to children who have the talent and desire to play the game at the highest level is probably the only thing the AFL can't manipulate