Analysis 2021 draft thread

[Quigley]

JVR controls the back very well. He reads play coming in as well as anyone in this draft and marks the ball similarly very well. He is attacking with the ball and sets up play moving forward. Athletically he is good enough and his football smarts allow him to be in the right position at the right time. His game against SA was exceptionally good and if he develops on that he will be in the starting 22 of every team in the comp.

 

[briztoon]

JVR controls the back very well. He reads play coming in as well as anyone in this draft and marks the ball similarly very well. He is attacking with the ball and sets up play moving forward. Athletically he is good enough and his football smarts allow him to be in the right position at the right time. His game against SA was exceptionally good and if he develops on that he will be in the starting 22 of every team in the comp.

Not being a smart arse, but who’s spot in our defence does he take?

For me, he looks like a Gardiner replacement. At the moment, Lester is the natural replacement for Gardiner on our list.

 

[M Malice]

A couple of questions for those who know more than me >

Could JVR be described as "plays like" Jack Riewoldt?

Is he more a KPF or KPD long term?

 

[irel]

A couple of questions for those who know more than me >

Could JVR be described as "plays like" Jack Riewoldt?

Is he more a KPF or KPD long term?

If JVR does end up on our list I see his career trajectory similar to McStay's. His initial years moving back and forward until a permanent position opens up and he establishes him self in one or the other. The beauty of JVR is he appears to be so flexible. He can cover gaps similar to Lester, only slightly taller.

 

[Quigley]

Not being a smart arse, but who’s spot in our defence does he take?

For me, he looks like a Gardiner replacement. At the moment, Lester is the natural replacement for Gardiner on our list.

That is fair but he is better offensively than Gardiner or Adams. We can take time to develop him and we could end up with an excellent two way player and in the meantime he would provide good cover for either. We lack depth and that could really hurt us if we have a couple of injuries and our back talls have not exactly been durable the last couple of years. Picking a high upside prospect to provide good cover now is not the worst idea in the world.

Personally I would prefer a tall mature forward at 41 just because we are so thin there but if we take a back early I am going to be fine with it. I actually think our small defender depth is pretty good and is not a huge need and necessary in a premiership run over the next couple of years. The only real thing which would be nice is a Rich replacement down the track and if we are not seeing a like for like guy there I would be more than happy to fill other needs.

 

[irel]

Further to my earlier post, it is not inconceivable for JVR to cover for Hipy until Hipy returns. I appreciate we traded in Fort and we have Fullarton and Smith also on the list, but JVR may provide a point of difference if he is deemed to be up to it in his first year on our list.

 

[jjami15]

If we were to take a tall I would rather Charlie Dean at that third round pick. His kicking looks quite good actually.

 

[scoman]

Interestingly Knightmare does not have Chesser in his top 70!
He is certainly making a big call there!

Edit: Or Warner

 

[mattsmob]

That is fair but he is better offensively than Gardiner or Adams. We can take time to develop him and we could end up with an excellent two way player and in the meantime he would provide good cover for either. We lack depth and that could really hurt us if we have a couple of injuries and our back talls have not exactly been durable the last couple of years. Picking a high upside prospect to provide good cover now is not the worst idea in the world.

By ‘better offensively’ do you mean as a rebounder? Personally I wouldn't trust JVR kicking the ball out of backlines anymore than either of those guys. Agree we lack depth and a high upside prospect would be a good idea, just don't see JVR as that even if he finds his role in the league.

 

[Dalions]

Personally I think I would take all of Chesser, Brown, Sonsie, Wilmot, Butler and Howes and maybe even Draper before JVR.

 

[Dalions]

Interestingly Knightmare does not have Chesser in his top 70!
He is certainly making a big call there!

Edit: Or Warner

There is only going to be 55-60 drafted so a rookie shot at best according to him. Very interesting.

 

[scoman]

There is only going to be 55-60 drafted so a rookie shot at best according to him. Very interesting.

He has provided some justification on his thread as quite a few have challenged him. In short he doesn't think either will make it. He might well be right there as most don't. However there are 70 who are more likely to make it in his eyes?

 

[mattsmob]

Interestingly Knightmare does not have Chesser in his top 70!
He is certainly making a big call there!

Edit: Or Warner

Other interesting ones, all of Howes, Bazzo, Sonsie, Butler, Wilmot and Brown in the 40's.

 

[briztoon]

There is only going to be 55-60 drafted so a rookie shot at best according to him. Very interesting.

Read the discussion in Knigbtmare’s thread. Because Chesser wasn’t rated in the bests of any Sandringham’s games.

 

[Section 5]

If we were to take a tall I would rather Charlie Dean at that third round pick. His kicking looks quite good actually.

I also like Dean but prefer Hayes. I just hope the club goes in this direction
Schlensog with 2 years on Geelong list then a good year at South Freemantle also a fit for Lions

Be interesting to see if the Lions stick to the standard youth gamble at pick 41
Or gamble with someone possibly ready made to step into an AFL side

However we are in a premiership window now finishing equal top, equal top, then 4th last year
Picks in the 40's is at best a lottery.
I know if people look hard enough going back say 15 years you may find a few solid players that were not F/S, Mature age player, Zone selections etc

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I also like Dean but prefer Hayes. I just hope the club goes in this direction
Schlensog with 2 years on Geelong list then a good year at South Freemantle also a fit for Lions

Be interesting to see if the Lions stick to the standard youth gamble at pick 41
Or gamble with someone possibly ready made to step into an AFL side

However we are in a premiership window now finishing equal top, equal top, then 4th last year
Picks in the 40's is at best a lottery.
I know if people look hard enough going back say 15 years you may find a few solid players that were not F/S, Mature age player, Zone selections etc

I think if we were going for any mature player besides Dean, we wouldn't be taking pick 41 to the draft. It could be traded for a pick next year, and then we'd take Hayes or whoever at 60. As you know, I want Hayes too, but it's probably not going to happen, given the club's moves.

 

[Quigley]

I think if we were going for any mature player besides Dean, we wouldn't be taking pick 41 to the draft. It could be traded for a pick next year, and then we'd take Hayes or whoever at 60. As you know, I want Hayes too, but it's probably not going to happen, given the club's moves.

Trading out of 41 is a good idea I think given the guys I would probably take.

 

[Nuggo]

What's the odds we select somebody we have never heard of or know very little about.

 

[Section 5]

I think if we were going for any mature player besides Dean, we wouldn't be taking pick 41 to the draft. It could be traded for a pick next year, and then we'd take Hayes or whoever at 60. As you know, I want Hayes too, but it's probably not going to happen, given the club's moves.

We also had 54 & 60 (both worth points) to work with but i assume we could not find a taker
Reduced list spots have left clubs in a difficult place the last couple of years

Some of these mature players mentioned may not get to 60.
On the other hand they may not get picked up at all in this or the rookie draft
I just don't see much difference in 41 or 60 if said player fits your clubs needs especially for 2022
If you really fancy one particular player pick 41 will get them, whereas 60 may not

I agree with you that the club probably won't go down this path but i wish they would

 

[M Malice]

There is only going to be 55-60 drafted so a rookie shot at best according to him. Very interesting.

Knightmare just doesn't rate him as a player, says he has a poor contested game, however he does think he'll be selected in the draft and maybe in the top 20... he's thinking he will be a bust, he's not afraid to make big calls that buck the accepted consensus.

 

[mattsmob]

Knightmare just doesn't rate him as a player, says he has a poor contested game, however he does think he'll be selected in the draft and maybe in the top 20... he's thinking he will be a bust, he's not afraid to make big calls that buck the accepted consensus.

I appreciate going against the grain and making big calls but at a certain point I just disagree with how he evaluates talent. He's been watching the draft a lot longer than I have and I'm sure has more runs on the board but I mainly go to his thread just for a different point of view even if I disagree with a lot of it which isn't a bad thing.

 

[jackess]

Knightmare just doesn't rate him as a player, says he has a poor contested game, however he does think he'll be selected in the draft and maybe in the top 20... he's thinking he will be a bust, he's not afraid to make big calls that buck the accepted consensus.

He's going down a clickbait path

 

[M Malice]

I appreciate going against the grain and making big calls but at a certain point I just disagree with how he evaluates talent. He's been watching the draft a lot longer than I have and I'm sure has more runs on the board but I mainly go to his thread just for a different point of view even if I disagree with a lot of it which isn't a bad thing.

He's going down a clickbait path

When you look back with hindsight in every draft there are busts in the top 20, just maybe he will be right re Chesser.

 

[JasRulz63]

Cal Twomey's phantom tonight will be interesting.

 

[blueiris]

Cal Twomey's phantom tonight will be interesting.

Cal just mentioned Sinn as a chance at the Lions or Port