Society/Culture Can we please stop equating the risk posed by left wing extremists with that of right wing extremists?

[Brick Loosener]

Not all of them vote. For example, if only 50% of African Americans voted, then the 80% of those that did vote democrat, would only be 40% of African Americans.

So, most of the murderers, could be people that didn't vote at all.

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If you survey 100 murderers and 99 of them say they are innocent are you really surveying 100 murderers?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Not claiming that all African Americans voted. However those stats I provided are a analysis of the people who voted at the last presidential election NOT a analysis of the general population.

While we don't have specific data on how criminals vote we do know that serious crime including homicide is more prevalent in low socio-economic areas, ethnic communities and in the inner city suburbs. These are all demographics that strongly lean Democrat.

Point is, if they don't vote, they aren't politically engaged. Those people aren't leaning either way. They don't appear in your data.

Yet you are applying a democrat brush to them for some weird reason. Exclude the people that don't vote and the % changes by a significant amount.

 

[Gralin]

So men can kill but only if they aren't white, eating ktheri

No we haven't, it's too big of a generalisation to be anything but bigotry in my view and probably others.

So if we aren't saying poor black men who vote democrat kill we're being bigots are we?

Kind of feels the other way round to me

 

[Malifice]

The ethnic disparity still exists regardless of economic backgrounds.

No it doesn't. Those homicides youre talking about are mostly inner city poor.

With the "male' demographic they're much more eveny distributed.

 

[Coolangatta]

What has Trump and the Republicans done for working-class people lately?

Cut unemployment? It was going down before Trump took office.

Keep jobs in America? He still outsourced many of them.

Tariffs on China? Did * all.

End the wars? The bombings continued.

Tax cuts? The wealthy received the hugest chunk of those.

What am I missing here?

 

[Boronia67]

No it doesn't. Those homicides youre talking about are mostly inner city poor.

With the "male' demographic they're much more eveny distributed.

Are you trying to say that because an African American is poor they are not an African American ?

 

[Number37]

Are you trying to say that because an African American is poor they are not an African American ?

Are you trying to say that African Americans kill because they vote Democrat?

 

[Boronia67]

Are you trying to say that African Americans kill because they vote Democrat?

No. I am saying serious crime including homicide is more prevalent in demographics who strongly favour the Democrats not the Republicans.

 

[Number37]

No. I am saying serious crime including homicide is more prevalent in demographics who strongly favour the Democrats not the Republicans.

Doesn't that tell you that they blame the Republicans for the serious crime in their demographic?

 

[Malifice]

Are you trying to say that because an African American is poor they are not an African American ?

What?

No im saying that when ethnic crime stats are adjusted for socio economics (education levels, poverty etc) ethnic disparities in those stats vanish.

Poverty causes crime. Not race.

Im also saying 'men' as a demographic are far more dangerous than any other demographic (religious, ethic or age) when it comes to murders and the like.

 

[Malifice]

No. I am saying serious crime including homicide is more prevalent in demographics who strongly favour the Democrats not the Republicans.

Youre full of s**t.

Men favour voting republican, and as already proved they're the demographic that has the most prevalence of homicides.

 

[Lethality]

Men favour voting republican, and as already proved they're the demographic that has the most prevalence of homicides.

That doesn't prove anything when it's such a comically wide category with many demographics within it, and such a small minority of men who are murderers, plus a relatively minor gender gap in republican voters.

 

[Boronia67]

Doesn't that tell you that they blame the Republicans for the serious crime in their demographic?

Some might and some might take the view that the Democrats are softer on crime than the Republicans. I suspect most vote Democrat for non crime related matters.

Regardless the people responsible for serious crime are the ones who commit the serious crime.

 

[Boronia67]

What?

No im saying that when ethnic crime stats are adjusted for socio economics (education levels, poverty etc) ethnic disparities in those stats vanish.

Poverty causes crime. Not race.

Im also saying 'men' as a demographic are far more dangerous than any other demographic (religious, ethic or age) when it comes to murders and the like.

Your argument that socio-economics causes crime which I half agree with (race does not cause crime) still does not change the fact that people in this demographic vote overwhelmingly for the Democrats.

African American males from low socio-economic inner city areas vote mostly for the Democrats.

 

[Boronia67]

Youre full of sh*t.

Men favour voting republican, and as already proved they're the demographic that has the most prevalence of homicides.

People who live in inner city suburbs more likely to commit homicide



Younger people more likely to commit homicide
African American males more likely to commit homicide



People of low socio-economic status are more likely to commit homicide



We can debate the cause but the fact remains these demographics strongly vote Democrat.

 

[Number37]

Some might and some might take the view that the Democrats are softer on crime than the Republicans. I suspect most vote Democrat for non crime related matters.

Regardless the people responsible for serious crime are the ones who commit the serious crime.

You suspect, or you've realised that would be the only way what you said makes any sense?

Go ahead, twist yourself into some more knots trying to make it stick.

 

[Boronia67]

You suspect, or you've realised that would be the only way what you said makes any sense?

Go ahead, twist yourself into some more knots trying to make it stick.

Your argument that you made without the support of facts that demographics that most frequently commit serious crime vote Democrat because they blame Republicans for serious crime does not deserve a serious response.

The only people responsible for committing serious crime is the people who commit the serious crime.

 

[Malifice]

That doesn't prove anything when it's such a comically wide category with many demographics within it, and such a small minority of men who are murderers, plus a relatively minor gender gap in republican voters.

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Now adjust that slight balance in favour of rhe republicans by men with the fact that 7 times more men than women are murderers.

You'll discover that Republicans commit murder at a much higher rate than do Democrats.

 

[Malifice]

People who live in inner city suburbs more likely to commit homicide

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Younger people more likely to commit homicide
African American males more likely to commit homicide

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People of low socio-economic status are more likely to commit homicide

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We can debate the cause but the fact remains these demographics strongly vote Democrat.

How can demographics support that when:

Men are 7 times more likely than women to murder.
Men are more likely than women to vote Republican.

 

[Lethality]

Now adjust that slight balance in favour of rhe republicans by men with the fact that 7 times more men than women are murderers.

7 times more doesn't mean much when we're working with such tiny percentages. It could be that murderous men who make up less than 1% of total men, are more likely to vote against the slight inclination of their gender just as young men, or educated men, are more likely to vote one way or the other. Murderers are normally younger, are three times more likely to be black, and so forth. They're not just a random cross section of men from which you could project the voting habits of a gender.

 

[Malifice]

7 times more doesn't mean much when we're working with such tiny percentages. It could be that murderous men who make up less than 1% of total men, are more likely to vote against the slight inclination of their gender just as young men, or educated men, are more likely to vote one way or the other. Murderers are normally younger, are three times more likely to be black, and so forth. They're not just a random cross section of men from which you could project the voting habits of a gender.

It could do.

But the same equally applies to what Borinia67 was claiming above also.

 

[Boronia67]

How can demographics support that when:

Men are 7 times more likely than women to murder.
Men are more likely than women to vote Republican.

African American young inner-city men on low incomes are far more likely to commit murder than white middle age suburban men on middle to high incomes.

African American young inner-city men on low incomes are more likely to vote Democrat.

 

[Malifice]

African American young inner-city men on low incomes are more likely to vote Democrat.

Source for that?

 

[Malifice]

Source for that?

Never mind I found it.

Lower incomes are more likely to vote Democrat (57 to 42).

 

[Malifice]

Boronia67

How does this tie into extremist activity exactly?

Right wing extremists seem to be overwhelmingly white, young (20's) and exclusively male.