List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

How the fu** do we get Gibcus/Erasmus and Draper? That's 3 guys rated top 10-15 most of the year...

17 other clubs pass.

 

[Mr Magic]

I hope they do!

Well its looking that way.

Freo would be kinda silly if they ignored him.

When was the last time they had a decent forward??

Pavlich who was a back?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I heard a little whisper that we may actually see Gibcus with a future at the opposite end of the ground….

Prefer Balta

 

[Profop]

try ruckman

Maybe ended up a full time ruck at Geelong but he spent a fair chunk of time forward for us

 

[beema limapep]

I am super NOT keen on Amiss.

First of all, how often do tall forwards come on, really? Unless there is one impossible to pass up, you're just as likely to find a good one in the second or third round than you are in the first round. Outside of Jack Riewoldt we haven't drafted a good tall forward basically in my life. Richo was father/son. I know those two are at the very high end but we have had basically no one else in my life. Is this bad drafting or are good tall forwards just super hard to find? Is it thus worth wasting a great draft hand on one?

Amiss would be a risk for go-home factor, a risk because he may just not make it at AFL level, and a waste because he does not improve us in the now, he'll only play in a couple of years.

We are in the good (or awkward?) position where we have a team capable of a flag but also close to needing a rebuild. So what is this team's most obvious weakness, one clearly not having been addressable by its own depth players (clearly shown by our sh*t 2021), and one that if we address we can possibly be the best team again in 2022? THE MIDFIELD. Look at every game we lost, we got farking wrecked in the midfield, losing disposal counts and contested possessions by heaps. We weren't pressuring anymore so teams just wrecked us at times, stand rule aside. We had injuries but still, the midfield was horrible. Amiss will not solve this any more than our depth will.

Draft and list strategy should be midfielders and key defenders (these seem to come on way more often than key forwards) and, if you don't get lucky to draft a tall forward (say, in the second round) that becomes capable of finals-level footy after 2-4 years in the system, you poach someone.

- Us with Lynch
- Melbourne with Brown
- Even Essendon (I seethe at typing that word) with the more-than-serviceable and cheap-as-chips Peter Wright

Once you have an established engine room and defence, poach someone established (Brown) or even fringe (Wright) that you know can play, it doesn't even need to be a big money Tom Lynch type. If you're lucky you might still have drafted someone fairly decent (eg. Tom McDonald) along the way. But you won't have built that gun engine room by wasting top picks on guys like Shache, McCartin, Watts, Vickery, Gumbleton, McBean, Brander, Fogarty, Coleman-Jones...

Anyway I digress sorry, I'm just saying that for both now and the future it's the midfield we need to buff. Tall forwards are a much bigger risk in the early picks. Amiss should be given a miss.

No, you generally dont take a ruck with early picks. KPP'S depends who is best available and the ability within each tier. Tier 2 is about pick 5 to late 20s for this draft, gradually tapering off. If they rate Amiss ahead of mids at 9 and can load up on mids at 17 and late 20s its an overall better net gain.

 

[beema limapep]

Agreed, we need to get top end mids.

We have enough quality selections to get quality mids and KPP's. If we are smart.

 

[Mr Magic]

No, you generally dont take a ruck with early picks. KPP'S depends who is best available and the ability within each tier. Tier 2 is about pick 5 to late 20s for this draft, gradually tapering off. If they rate Amiss ahead of mids at 9 and can load up on mids at 17 and late 20s its an overall better net gain.

anybody can load up on mids every year

 

[RockJobster0312]

I’m 34 and we’ve drafted 2 really good forwards in my life. Two! Hogg (did we draft him, I don’t even know, he left when I was young) and Riewoldt. You could argue we paid less attention to it whilst Richo (father son) was so awesome, yet we still sucked anyway didn’t we, so it’s not like we did well drafting in other areas.

Anyway let’s be a tad more recent. Since drafting Riewoldt (now a 300+ gamer) we’ve drafted a grand total of zero good tall forwards. Zero! Not for a lack of trying either. To me this says that we either suck at drafting them OR they’re really hard to produce to the level you really want or need to win finals.

So I say poach them rather than drafting them, you get a better strike rate with midfielders and defenders.

Gee harsh on Cleve Hughes being forgotten…

 

[beema limapep]

anybody can load up on mids every year

Exactly.

 

[Mr Magic]

Exactly.

I think Freo cannot ignore Aymiss simply because they will have plenty of opportunity to get mids apart from Erasmus in the years ahead

 

[Rich01]

Gotta laugh at some of the Hawks and Freo jokers on their club boards thinking we will pony up pick 26 for a small upgrade of our first.

 

[Mr Magic]

I think if we pick between Ward and Hobbs it has to be Ward knowing we can trade for Hobbs or FA later

 

[Moppey]

I’m 34 and we’ve drafted 2 really good forwards in my life. Two! Hogg (did we draft him, I don’t even know, he left when I was young) and Riewoldt. You could argue we paid less attention to it whilst Richo (father son) was so awesome, yet we still sucked anyway didn’t we, so it’s not like we did well drafting in other areas.

Anyway let’s be a tad more recent. Since drafting Riewoldt (now a 300+ gamer) we’ve drafted a grand total of zero good tall forwards. Zero! Not for a lack of trying either. To me this says that we either suck at drafting them OR they’re really hard to produce to the level you really want or need to win finals.

So I say poach them rather than drafting them, you get a better strike rate with midfielders and defenders.

Its not that we get em wrong it is where we have generally taken them and we have taken so few.

Since 2000 in the actual NDhere is a list of young talls we have drafted

2000 - 0
01 - 0
02 - Schulz 12 was imo a decent kpf
03 - 0
04 - Pattison 16, McGuane 36, Limbach 52. Pattison half kpp half ruck not quite either
05 - Hughes 24
06 - Riewoldt 13 a big tick
07 - Rance 18.a big tick
08 - Vickery 8 Half ruckman half fwd not quite either
09 - Griffiths 19 another half and half. Astbury 35 a good pick
10 - 0 We did take Grimes in the PSD we did not see fit to take him in the nd i put him here because he was a young psd pick.
11 - Elton 26 sheesh another half kpp half ruck.
12 - McBean 33 and it continues half ruck half fwd.
13- 0
14 - McKenzie 77
15 - 0
16 - Garthwaite 72
17 - CC-J 20 you guessed it another half and half. Balta 25. Miller 63
18 - 0
19 - Nyuon 54
20 - Ryan 40 is he another half and half but not quite either.

In the last eight drafts we have only used 7 ND PICKS on talls.. Only two have been top 30 picks with Balta at 25 and CC-J 20 not surprising they have both looked the most likely.

Overall while there are certainly plenty of busts with good picks it has been the better picks in the main that have snared us our better tall players.

Also looking at that people can see why i am a bit gun shy when it comes to very tall players who project as both rucks and fwds.

 

[Mr Magic]

Its not that we get em wrong it is where we have generally taken them and we have taken so few.

Since 2000 in the actual NDhere is a list of young talls we have drafted

2000 - 0
01 - 0
02 - Schulz 12 was imo a decent kpf
03 - 0
04 - Pattison 16, McGuane 36, Limbach 52. Pattison half kpp half ruck not quite either
05 - Hughes 24
06 - Riewoldt 13 a big tick
07 - Rance 18.a big tick
08 - Vickery 8 Half ruckman half fwd not quite either
09 - Griffiths 19 another half and half. Astbury 35 a good pick
10 - 0 We did take Grimes in the PSD we did not see fit to take him in the nd i put him here because he was a young psd pick.
11 - Elton 26 sheesh another half kpp half ruck.
12 - McBean 33 and it continues half ruck half fwd.
13- 0
14 - McKenzie 77
15 - 0
16 - Garthwaite 72
17 - CC-J 20 you guessed it another half and half. Balta 25. Miller 63
18 - 0
19 - Nyuon 54
20 - Ryan 40 is he another half and half but not quite either.

In the last eight drafts we have only used 7 ND PICKS on talls.. Only two have been top 30 picks with Balta at 25 and CC-J 20 not surprising they have both looked the most likely.

Overall while there are certainly plenty of busts with good picks it has been the better picks in the main that have snared us our better tall players.

Also looking at that people can see why i am a bit gun shy when it comes to very tall players who project as both rucks and fwds.

no top ten picks.

Missed out on Roughead and Franklin and Pavlich

 

[Mr Magic]

Maybe ended up a full time ruck at Geelong but he spent a fair chunk of time forward for us

he was always a ruck prospect, even when played forward for us.

Like Richo was always a winger

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Looks like we'll have a choice between Hobbs Johnson Gibcus

Johnson thanks.

 

[HumanMeatball]

It’s going to be Johnson and I’m all for it

 

[beema limapep]

This just in - Its Amiss unless he is taken.

Then Ward, Johnson, Hobbs (in that order)

 

[_RT_]

At the start of Draft Day with Kevin Costner he writes down the name of a player on a piece of paper and it says

Spoiler

Vontae Mack

no matter what.

I'm taking the same view here. My very first thought regards the draft was Josh Ward and I'm sticking with him no matter what. The one thing our next generation midfield is missing is a player who can wrack up touches and Ward can do just that I know it's unlikely that we land him but then again stranger things have happened. As for the rest of our draft picks, I've gone off picking any of the talls with the exception of Gibcus at our first pick if Ward & Hobbs are both gone.

My final wish list:
First pick - Ward
Second pick - Johnson
Third pick - Taylor
Fourth pick - Macdonald
Fifth pick - Sheldrick

If we can and the above 5 players I believe our next generation midfield will be complete and we can then start to focus on acquiring our next generation KPPs.

 

[beema limapep]

Melbournes pick 17 for our 2022 north 2nd pick and a third.

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

Can't wait for tomorrow's night draft extravaganza
Shifta sheehan rating every single player a great pick up potential star
The riveting interviews with the draftees parents
The over analizing of players by the expert panel
Just dragging everything out to something it's not
Trying to copy the u.s , wish I could fast forward live t.v to our picks can't wait

 

[Sir_Loin]

Dusty only had 8 in his vfl debut.

why red line a Ferrari on dirt track

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Yep. My dog died a couple of days ago and I'm a little drunk and just shooting from the hip. #devilmaycare

Sorry too hear mate.

 

[beema limapep]

Can't wait for tomorrow's night draft extravaganza
Shifta sheehan rating every single player a great pick up potential star
The riveting interviews with the draftees parents
The over analizing of players by the expert panel
Just dragging everything out to something it's not
Trying to copy the u.s , wish I could fast forward live t.v to our picks can't wait

"We are now joined by the coach of the <insert club name here> who has been all about.bringing the fun back to the club so far in the offseason. Coach, how on earth did you come up with this approach, and is it true that <insert captains name here> might even tell a few cheeky jokes at the team huddles on match day???"

 

[Pomsta]

Id be gobsmacked for the opposite reasons.

They have two very solid KPD'S in Collins and Ballard. They even have 195cm Lukosious playing the third tall role.
They also have the veteran Rory Thompson who has missed the last two seasons with injury but is great cover if injury does hit and he is fit.

They also have a decent utility in Burgess who started as A DEFENDER but pinch hits wherever he is needed even in the ruck. This happened because Collins and Ballard pushed him into the other roles.
They also have a few kids in development as well.

Not sure what Budarick has to do with it he is a small defender and if honest even if he did not retire Homsch was not going to get a game in front of Ballard, Collins and Lukosius

With the loss of Greenwood thru stupidity i count just 11 mids on their list and i reckon they will be taking one of Callaghan Hobbs imo if the rumours are true Adelaide are into Rachele.

Lukosius won't be playing as backman for long and his defensive skills aren't that good. If Gold Coast could get Gibcus that would give their Astbury (Collins), Grimes (Ballard) and Rance (Gibcus) triumvirate. It will also depend on what they are getting for nothing from the AFL this year due to their zone.