Review 2021 AFL National Draft (Part 2) | NM - JHF, GOAT, PCurtis, MBergman, JArcher

[giantroo]

So are those two spots for Lynch and Polec? Then we are full?

Pretty much unless we have changed our minds on Lynch or someone pinches Polec.

 

[Islanda22]

Very interesting but nothing we didn't know. King made a comment a few years ago to the effect of "90% of Laidley's time went into managing Daniel Motlop".

Jesse might be a very different character though, it doesn't appear he's been raised by Daniel either. Shannon was much more placid and laidback and Steven seems reasonably level headed too.

A relationship breakdown causes children or a child to be split into custody with both parents which is the case with Jesse

Daniel has always been in his life and guided him when and wherever needed

Jesse's mum has done a fantastic job also

Shannon is very calm and a genuine great bloke, Steven is level headed later in his life, Daniel is just Daniel lol

 

[Flawed Genius]

Have already seen Lynch in the training videos wearing the polo. Can't see us reneging on that

 

[Roo Beauty]

Have already seen Lynch in the training videos wearing the polo. Can't see us reneging on that

Unless there’s been a change of plan on the whole rookie thing. Seems unlikely but the fact he didn’t nominate for the draft raises some questions.

 

[Devington]

Actually it wasn't pointless.

Just had a look at the BF phantom draft and you can get a sense of where they would've went.

Pick 38 - Melbourne - Judson Clarke
Pick 39 - Sydney - Paul Curtis
Pick 40 - Brisbane - Alastair Lord
Pick 41 - North Melbourne - Jack Williams
Pick 42 - North Melbourne - Arthur Jones

Clarke went at 30, Curtis went at 35, Arthur Jones went at 43.


So it looks like we moved in closer to try to nab a Clarke or Curtis and we got Curtis. We also got ahead of Melbourne for Bergman as their trade with Adelaide was blocked.

This alone will probably be better draft analysis than most of the 'experts' will be putting out in the paper and on the radio. Great catch.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Actually it wasn't pointless.

Just had a look at the BF phantom draft and you can get a sense of where they would've went.

Pick 38 - Melbourne - Judson Clarke
Pick 39 - Sydney - Paul Curtis
Pick 40 - Brisbane - Alastair Lord
Pick 41 - North Melbourne - Jack Williams
Pick 42 - North Melbourne - Arthur Jones

Clarke went at 30, Curtis went at 35, Arthur Jones went at 43.


So it looks like we moved in closer to try to nab a Clarke or Curtis and we got Curtis. We also got ahead of Melbourne for Bergman as their trade with Adelaide was blocked.

Our first pick swap got us curtis

Im saying our second pick swap that got us Bergman was not worth it

 

[Psicosis]

Question to the board,

Why did people think we needed to draft a small forward in the draft?

We don't have a natural small forward on our list.

 

[giantroo]

Every AFL club’s 2021 draft haul assessed — and how their new recruits will fit in

Swans’ curveball; danger signs as AFL giant nails huge win: Every club’s draft graded

www.foxsports.com.au

NORTH MELBOURNE

Picks (at the start of draft): 1, 20, 42, 47, 71, 75

Selections: Jason Horne-Francis (1), Josh Goater (22), Paul Curtis (35), Miller Bergman (38), Jackson Archer (59)

As expected, the Roos took Horne-Francis — one of the best Pick 1 contenders in decades, according to North recruiter Scott Clayton — with the first selection in draft. He’s powerful, courageous and aggressive at the contest, but also possesses an awesome aerobic base and class that helps him hit targets and push forward to hit the scoreboard. The Goater selection was a beauty. He’s a high-flying, speedy, agile and versatile prospect that grew up as a mad North fan — and now Goater looms as a big fan favourite at AFL level. Curtis and Bergman provide great list depth for the Roos, who then used their final pick to select father-son prospect Jackson Archer — the son of club legend Glenn Archer who shows great composure across half-back.

Grade: B+

 

[JarOfConfidence]

Theres not a chance in the world Curtis gets picked in front of Mahony in 2022.

What, for the whole season? Wouldn’t be so sure about that. Part of a small forward’s job description is (clearly) kicking goals. I just don’t see Mahoney having that skill. He might have decent game IQ but he’s simply not quick enough or elusive enough to escape the clutches of defenders. His best bet is further up the ground. Curtis, however, looks like a guy born for the FP. Play him and Phoenix in either pocket and see how we go!

 

[tales129]

How do you get a ******* A?

 

[giantroo]

The AFL rookie list is old, and the bid system is a farce
Peter Ryan


It is estimated that just eight spots in Friday afternoon’s AFL rookie draft will be open to new additions to a club.

The rest of the selections will be used to upgrade players, or re-rookie them.

Ben Hobbs fought back tears after he was selected by Essendon with the 13th pick of the AFL Draft

To call it a rookie draft is now a misnomer. Bryce Gibbs was the first selection in last year’s rookie draft, giving him the great honour of being the No.1 draft pick at the start of his career and the No.1 rookie selection at the end of it.

Eddie Betts and Grant Birchall

14

Grant Birchall

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.9

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

9.3

5star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

250.0

4star

D

13.3

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

250.0

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.6

3star

spent 2021 on the retirement (sorry, rookie) list too. By this definition, Geelong could claim to be full of rookie-types.


In reality, the rookie draft is now a money-shuffling show which clubs use, within the rules, to manage their salary cap.

As a result, the game has replaced by osmosis what was once an incentive for clubs to give late developers such as Nick Maxwell

Nick Maxwell

Age

40

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

14.0

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

, Brett Kirk

Brett Kirk

Age

47

Ht

184cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.5

5star

K

8.9

3star

HB

9.6

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.4

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.8

4star

K

13.0

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

, Dean Cox

Dean Cox

Age

42

Ht

203cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.9

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

G

0.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.0

1star

and Aaron Sandilands

Aaron Sandilands

Age

41

Ht

211cm

Wt

118kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

8.2

5star

CL

3.3

5star

HO

31.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

5.4

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

2.0

2star

HO

13.6

5star

a chance to prove their worth, with a bureaucratic device.

That’s not to blame the clubs, who point out that putting such players on the rookie list to have $85,000 sitting outside the salary cap creates another spot on the primary list, which is a critical shift with COVID-19 having impacted total player payments and list sizes.

North Melbourne’s Jared Polec

13

Jared Polec

Age

31

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.6

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

20.5

5star

K

13.1

5star

HB

7.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

2.9

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

will be the highest-profile player to find themselves on a rookie list on Friday afternoon, but the 146-game rookie will not be alone.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...s-growth-and-new-markets-20211125-p59bwt.html
The responsibility to re-align the player exchange system lies at the feet of the AFL, and the rookie list is the most obvious component to lose its mooring.

Other parts of the system need to be re-examined, too, with the bidding system and the need for clubs to accumulate points to match bids bordering on a farce.

It’s now overly complicated and completely unexplainable to any sane member of the football-watching public with different rules applying to bids for father-son, northern academy and next-generation academy graduates.

Keep the listing process real, simple and relevant.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Rooboys Rool]

Can Lynch go onto the rookie list without nominating for the National draft? I noticed that he hasn't nominated.

Pretty sure we can just add him to the rookie list using the pre-season supplemental selection period, like how we added Tom Campbell to the list a few years ago. Not 100% on it, but because he is a delisted free agent I don't think it matters that he didn't nominate for the draft.

 

[Lomas]

How do you get a ******* A?

Seems about half of the clubs got an A or A+

 

[RobZombie]

Little out of the loop here.... who is this 'guy that many consider the best young KPD outside of the AFL, available.' ?

Someone who's a good intercept mark but can't kick.

 

[RobZombie]

If that's the case it's even less relevant. That build hasn't proven anything yet.

Furthermore, that's more an accident than a strategy IMHO. They happen to have unearthed some good young defenders recently, and focused on trades to build their midfield.

 

[The Y Factor]

Pretty much unless we have changed our minds on Lynch or someone pinches Polec.

Isn’t the list size 43 , leaving us 1 free spot?

 

[B4Bear]

How do you get a ******* A?

By not being us.

 

[RobZombie]

The scenes when we name Polec with pick 1 and then with our second name Lynch who forgot to go into the draft.

I'm pretty sure we can take Lynch as a DFA in the SSP onto the rookie list. There's some possibility I guess that we have a last minute change of heart if there's someone we really like, but the most likely thing is to take Polec, pass, then pick up Lynch at our leisure.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Every AFL club’s 2021 draft haul assessed — and how their new recruits will fit in

Swans’ curveball; danger signs as AFL giant nails huge win: Every club’s draft graded

www.foxsports.com.au

NORTH MELBOURNE

Picks (at the start of draft): 1, 20, 42, 47, 71, 75

Selections: Jason Horne-Francis (1), Josh Goater (22), Paul Curtis (35), Miller Bergman (38), Jackson Archer (59)

As expected, the Roos took Horne-Francis — one of the best Pick 1 contenders in decades, according to North recruiter Scott Clayton — with the first selection in draft. He’s powerful, courageous and aggressive at the contest, but also possesses an awesome aerobic base and class that helps him hit targets and push forward to hit the scoreboard. The Goater selection was a beauty. He’s a high-flying, speedy, agile and versatile prospect that grew up as a mad North fan — and now Goater looms as a big fan favourite at AFL level. Curtis and Bergman provide great list depth for the Roos, who then used their final pick to select father-son prospect Jackson Archer — the son of club legend Glenn Archer who shows great composure across half-back.

Grade: B+

Haha, Carlton get a B for drafting 1 player, Jesse Motlop.

We should get an A+ for just drafting Horne-Francis.

 

[Rooboys Rool]

Isn’t the list size 43 , leaving us 1 free spot?

List size is 42, plus Cat B rookies. We already have McGuinness at a Cat B, so that might be where you are getting the 43 from.

 

[ferball]

I like Corr.

Fact remains, he's played 100 AFL games in 9 years.

I like him too, and am worried about the injury factor with him but I just went and checked and Taz was drafted in 2007 and played his 100th game in 2017. (Didn't play in 08 or 09.)

It took Taz seven years to play over 20 games but once he was in he only missed one or two games a year for six seasons. Corr hasn't had that sort of consistency so I guess we'll see.

 

[King Corey]

Furthermore, that's more an accident than a strategy IMHO. They happen to have unearthed some good young defenders recently, and focused on trades to build their midfield.

The only structural plan I can see in any of Hawthorn's success was deciding on tall-tall with their 2004 top 5 picks.

The rest was a combination of best available, selecting particular attributes (kicking), later round drafting and canny trading.

That's with respect to their 2008-15 era.

Their current build as mentioned is moot until it does something. Their approach right until 2021 appeared as you said - poach players rated as elite junior talent in their draft year and hope it all comes together at Hawthorn.

eg - Scrimshaw, Wingard, Patton, Scully, O'Meara etc.

Not writing them off but they've done nothing yet to justify emulating them.

 

[joegreen]

Every AFL club’s 2021 draft haul assessed — and how their new recruits will fit in

Swans’ curveball; danger signs as AFL giant nails huge win: Every club’s draft graded

www.foxsports.com.au

NORTH MELBOURNE

Picks (at the start of draft): 1, 20, 42, 47, 71, 75

Selections: Jason Horne-Francis (1), Josh Goater (22), Paul Curtis (35), Miller Bergman (38), Jackson Archer (59)

As expected, the Roos took Horne-Francis — one of the best Pick 1 contenders in decades, according to North recruiter Scott Clayton — with the first selection in draft. He’s powerful, courageous and aggressive at the contest, but also possesses an awesome aerobic base and class that helps him hit targets and push forward to hit the scoreboard. The Goater selection was a beauty. He’s a high-flying, speedy, agile and versatile prospect that grew up as a mad North fan — and now Goater looms as a big fan favourite at AFL level. Curtis and Bergman provide great list depth for the Roos, who then used their final pick to select father-son prospect Jackson Archer — the son of club legend Glenn Archer who shows great composure across half-back.

Grade: B+

How are they grading it? Is it relative to the perceived talent available and the picks each team had? Or simply outright, who drafted the best players?

The question for me is would anyone swap our draft haul for another clubs? If the answer is no, then we have the best draft haul. Simple as that. The fact we had clubs offering their picks to us for pick 1 suggests clubs rated JHF higher than any other combination available. Yet post draft those other combinations are rated higher...

And that's not even considering that reality it takes 2 years plus to determine who actually got it right.

 

[krakouers]

How do you get a ******* A?

Not be North Melbourne