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Ok, i am just talking about their doctrine.Nothing to do with a sword.
They organised a fight and took whatever they had. Golf clubs, baseball bats, poles....
Just your run of the mill power struggle in the local Sikh community.
I'm not making any judgements. I find it quite hilarious how they had a knife fight to settle who would be in charge of promoting the Sikh way in the community.
The bill isnt about discirmination against christians. Its about enabling christians to discriminate against others.Just wondering if any Christians in here are suffering discrimination (other than bigfooty trolling) enough to warrant scotty's bill?
The bill isnt about discirmination against christians. Its about enabling christians to discriminate against others.
admittedly i think some things in the bill are fine. If a religious person believes gay people are going to hell he should be free to say that. Apparently you cant at the moment which is ridiculous. If belief in imaginanary hell is ok then belief on who qualifies for imaginery hell should also be ok.
the way to end this ridiculousness ofcourse is just ban religion. Which is what i did.
I have a question, but not for a christian.The bill isnt about discirmination against christians. Its about enabling christians to discriminate against others.
admittedly i think some things in the bill are fine. If a religious person believes gay people are going to hell he should be free to say that. Apparently you cant at the moment which is ridiculous. If belief in imaginanary hell is ok then belief on who qualifies for imaginery hell should also be ok.
the way to end this ridiculousness ofcourse is just ban religion. Which is what i did.
The Creator, the conscious universe, an animating spirit that binds us together. That's my definition & it might sound flakey, but our understanding is limited. Even the Catechism of the Catholic Church is vague:Can you please outline in some detail, what you mean by “the divine”, what is it, what characteristics does it display, etc,?
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why does that make more sense? Based off what?In believing in God (any god), by being a theist, you are just making the choice that all of life & the universe is not some accident of science without cause, value or purpose. You are believe that there is something more behind it, that there is a creator an there is a greater purpose to existence. That just makes more sense to me.
Nope. "What i did" was supposed to be "what i would do" though.I have a question, but not for a christian.
When you wrote this, were you drunk?
Your posting used to have standards by which your subtle trolling at least approached your 'position' from a vague place of reason. That post was an escalation from start to finish, featured barely any punctuation, and you spent more time hitting enter than you did the space bar.Nope. "What i did" was supposed to be "what i would do" though.
You are believe that there is something more behind it, that there is a creator an there is a greater purpose to existence. That just makes more sense to me.
It makes more sense than the alternative. Which is that life the universe and your good self is just a random combination of matter & energy that for no apparent reason just came together in some pointless accident. Is that likely to you? Not to me, which opens my mind to the possibility of some kind of divine order, which is God.why does that make more sense? Based off what?
And what does purpose to existence even mean?
Have you properly thought this through or does it just feel right because Thats how humans genes have evolved to Make you feel?
It makes more sense than the alternative.
Which is that life the universe and your good self is just a random combination of matter & energy that for no apparent reason just came together in some pointless accident.
Is that likely to you?
Yes that is very if not certainly likely given everything that has been observed and tested on this planet has found to have a physical explanation. And its just plain logical that the whole universe is a phyiscal plane and nothing more.It makes more sense than the alternative. Which is that life the universe and your good self is just a random combination of matter & energy that for no apparent reason just came together in some pointless accident. Is that likely to you? Not to me, which opens my mind to the possibility of some kind of divine order, which is God.
But don't you come straight to the end thought of asking, if god made the universe, what made god?It makes more sense than the alternative. Which is that life the universe and your good self is just a random combination of matter & energy that for no apparent reason just came together in some pointless accident. Is that likely to you? Not to me, which opens my mind to the possibility of some kind of divine order, which is God.
I've got no problem with that and evolution is not exclusive from belief in God. I particularly like your last few sentences: "This is why you feel that a divine being makes sense. Its not that its logical. Its that it feels right. Cos evolution has created this feeling within us all." I see you are saying that this means that my thinking is flawed, but I see it as an example of when cultures (all cultures) have moved beyond thinking about their base survival, their mind has turned to the possibility of divine. It is a natural way for the human mind to go.Yes that is very if not certainly likely given everything that has been observed and tested on this planet has found to have a physical explanation. And its just plain logical that the whole universe is a phyiscal plane and nothing more.
As an example. humanity makes perfect sense under the concept of evolution. It makes no sense if humans came from a divine being. Why the hell would a divine being make pain, fear, aging, susceptability to disease and hunger, anxiety and hate. It makes no sense as to why a divine being would create these features for humanity. It makes perfect sense why evolution would.
humans have also evolved the desire to believe in a divine purpose and morality because it helps drive humans to work together and look after each other maximising our prosperity and survival. This is why you feel that a divine being makes sense. Its not that its logical. Its that it feels right. Cos evolution has created this feeling within us all.
Like Austen Tayshus's comedy rave "Isn't it lucky for Christians that Jesus was crucified? So they have that neat-looking cross up there on the wall. I mean, imagine if every church had to have a noose hanging up there, or an electric chair" LOL.Could Sikhs carry a miniature version of the Kirpan like Christians do with a cross? - they dont lug a fill sized one around any more
I've got no problem with that and evolution is not exclusive from belief in God. I particularly like your last few sentences: "This is why you feel that a divine being makes sense. Its not that its logical. Its that it feels right. Cos evolution has created this feeling within us all." I see you are saying that this means that my thinking is flawed, but I see it as an example of when cultures (all cultures) have moved beyond thinking about their base survival, their mind has turned to the possibility of divine. It is a natural way for the human mind to go.
It makes more sense than the alternative. Which is that life the universe and your good self is just a random combination of matter & energy that for no apparent reason just came together in some pointless accident. Is that likely to you? Not to me, which opens my mind to the possibility of some kind of divine order, which is God.
Well yes. But the standard line is "God always was, and always is, and always will be".But don't you come straight to the end thought of asking, if god made the universe, what made god?
Nope, none the wiser, just pointless proselytising.The Creator, the conscious universe, an animating spirit that binds us together. That's my definition & it might sound flakey, but our understanding is limited. Even the Catechism of the Catholic Church is vague:
39 In defending the ability of human reason to know God, the Church is expressing her confidence in the possibility of speaking about him to all men and with all men, and therefore of dialogue with other religions, with philosophy and science, as well as with unbelievers and atheists.
40 Since our knowledge of God is limited, our language about him is equally so. We can name God only by taking creatures as our starting point, and in accordance with our limited human ways of knowing and thinking.
41 All creatures bear a certain resemblance to God, most especially man, created in the image and likeness of God. the manifold perfections of creatures - their truth, their goodness, their beauty all reflect the infinite perfection of God. Consequently we can name God by taking his creatures" perfections as our starting point, "for from the greatness and beauty of created things comes a corresponding perception of their Creator".15
42 God transcends all creatures. We must therefore continually purify our language of everything in it that is limited, imagebound or imperfect, if we are not to confuse our image of God --"the inexpressible, the incomprehensible, the invisible, the ungraspable"-- with our human representations.16 Our human words always fall short of the mystery of God.
43 Admittedly, in speaking about God like this, our language is using human modes of expression; nevertheless it really does attain to God himself, though unable to express him in his infinite simplicity. Likewise, we must recall that "between Creator and creature no similitude can be expressed without implying an even greater dissimilitude";17 and that "concerning God, we cannot grasp what he is, but only what he is not, and how other beings stand in relation to him."