List Mgmt. 2021 NAB National AFL Draft

[Lore]

Scuse the intrusion folks. Thought you might like to have this resource in your thread

 

[ant22]

I think it’s a misuse of the term anyway. “Production” refers to what players do with the ball, particularly in American football (i.e. how much yardage do they gain per touch). In Aussie rules however, if we are using it to describe a ball magnet, it really is a measure of their involvement in the game and not how effective or damaging they are with the ball. I think “accumulation” would be a more apt term.

My idea of a good player profile would be as follows

"This kid is as hard as a cats head, he is a ball magnet who's biggest threat is leather poisoning, he generally kicks the ball well but is prone to the odd shank. Has vice like hands and like cliff young, he won't stop running"

I don't need the war and peace crap some are peddling.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think we'll go later with any free agent.

Surely if we let De Goey walk, then we don’t chase a free agent in 2022, because it would compromise our compensation.

 

[sr36]

Surely if we let De Goey walk, then we don’t chase a free agent in 2022, because it would compromise our compensation.

I don't think we'll go one either way - not a big money one anyway. Tying up future cap for a 26+ year old who plays a role that we won't yet know whether we have covered doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

 

[Bay Pie]

Reckon we get McCreery regardless he went that late.

Not sure about that as we did end up trading up to get him in the end, which indicates interest elsewhere before our picks.

Interested though, what you believe was ‘gettable’ in a trade for pick 2, had we not traded it?

 

[sr36]

Not sure about that as we did end up trading up to get him in the end, which indicates interest elsewhere before our picks.

Interested though, what you believe was ‘gettable’ in a trade for pick 2, had we not traded it?

Supposedly we traded up in the hope of getting an indigenous kid, but North picked him before us

 

[Bay Pie]

Supposedly we traded up in the hope of getting an indigenous kid, but North picked him before us

I believe that was Phoenix Spicer but it came out later we had the 2 of them in mind and the trade up would secure at least one of them.

 

[sr36]

Interested though, what you believe was ‘gettable’ in a trade for pick 2, had we not traded it?

I don't think we would have needed to trade it - just drafted Callaghan. But next best would have been a 2022 first, from a team who wanted Callaghan. I think it would have been a bidding war.

 

[Apex36]

I don't think we would have needed to trade it - just drafted Callaghan. But next best would have been a 2022 first, from a team who wanted Callaghan. I think it would have been a bidding war.

I seriously doubt Norf would have allowed us to get away with using pick 2. Daicos slipped to 4 because there was no tangible benefit in bidding for either them or GWS, but if we had pick 2 in our pocket it would have been a different story all together.

 

[sr36]

I seriously doubt Norf would have allowed us to get away with using pick 2. Daicos slipped to 4 because there was no tangible benefit in bidding for either them or GWS, but if we had pick 2 in our pocket it would have been a different story all together.

I don't see why. If they bid, we would have traded it for a future first. Some other club gets Callaghan, we get their future first. Any damage to us from that is an advantage to another team. For them to advantage from it, the trade would have had to be with them, which would be OK by me. The real loss to us would have been the same as if they had have bid this year - picks at the end of the draft and possibly a deficit regarding next year's first rounder.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Translator needed please.... - on the club's website one of the strengths of a draftee is listed as "production" - any ideas what this means?

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Lots of F/S and/or F/D prospects on the horizon.

 

[Mollythedolly]

More than you, lock down gave plenty of people the opportunity to watch live streams and Sanfl footy. A bloke that gets it 25 times doesn't struggle moving around the ground. You made the claim he doesn't 2 way run and you base that on his profile! Watch him play, there are entire games on YouTube.

I think there’ll always be confusion with discussions such as these. People apply their own interpretation as to what it means. For mine, when a players lack of 2-way running is highlighted, it’s more a reference to either their lack of enthusiasm and/or application (ie: how quickly they get back) or their opponent accountability (ie: if they don’t get it, are they pressuring their opponent to ensure they don’t either).

Treloar was a poor 2-way runner IMHO. If he didn’t win the footy he rarely chased with conviction. But his run and carry forward of the contest more than compensated.

Phillips was a great 2-way runner but lacked both the defensive 1v1 skill or pace for it to impact.

McCreery is a great 2-way runner who won’t stop running hard defensively until the next contest is beyond his ability to impact.

They all have a place. Look forward to seeing all the new kids first hand and seeing what they offer.

 

[sr36]

I think there’ll always be confusion with discussions such as these. People apply their own interpretation as to what it means. For mine, when a players lack of 2-way running is highlighted, it’s more a reference to either their lack of enthusiasm and/or application (ie: how quickly they get back) or their opponent accountability (ie: if they don’t get it, are they pressuring their opponent to ensure they don’t either).

Treloar was a poor 2-way runner IMHO. If he didn’t win the footy he rarely chased with conviction. But his run and carry forward of the contest more than compensated.

Phillips was a great 2-way runner but lacked both the defensive 1v1 skill or pace for it to impact.

McCreery is a great 2-way runner who won’t stop running hard defensively until the next contest is beyond his ability to impact.

They all have a place. Look forward to seeing all the new kids first hand and seeing what they offer.

McReery is a very committed defensive runner - yet to show that he runs well offensively.

 

[jonbe54]

McReery is a very committed defensive runner - yet to show that he runs well offensively.

Yes two different midsets . . but he's still young and has time to develop it.

 

[sr36]

Yes two different midsets . . but he's still young and has time to develop it.

A long way to go, but I really like him as a prospect. Powerful athlete with good skills and outstanding intensity. Hopefully he learns the4 game, as I'm not convinced he really knows what he's doing out there yet.

 

[jonbe54]

A long way to go, but I really like him as a prospect. Powerful athlete with good skills and outstanding intensity. Hopefully he learns the4 game, as I'm not convinced he really knows what he's doing out there yet.

Wouldn't surprise if he is a little lost at this stage - this type of thing is the acid test for our new coaching and support staff . . . like all youngsters he needs guidance.

 

[TradeDraft]

From there Draper’s improvement area is a big red flag in modern footy because of the need to run both ways in a grid defence. Put simply if he doesn’t improve his accountability he’ll be out of the system by the end of 2023. If he fixes it though he’s got the potential to be the second best value in the draft (no one is beating Daicos at 4). Murley to me screams modern footy with his blend of speed and skill the key will be getting through the next two years injury free before he’s got the circa 10kg of muscle he needs. If he can do that the ceiling’s the two Zac’s (Butters and Bailey) which is exactly what we need.

Without seeing Draper Play I won't be making big Remarks saying he has a Huge Red Flag. He was Averging about 5 Tackles a Game which is in the Above Average. Pie 4 Life did say it did Improve when he came back. The Biggest Worry I have is his Injury History as seem have a Tendency to get Injured and we don't have the best Record Recently with Injury has not been the best. Here's Hoping Draper has better Luck

I also get Fly would not Accept Lazy Players

 

[sr36]

Without seeing Draper Play I won't be making big Remarks saying he has a Huge Red Flag. He was Averging about 5 Tackles a Game which is in the Above Average. Pie 4 Life did say it did Improve when he came back. The Biggest Worry I have is his Injury History as seem have a Tendency to get Injured and we don't have the best Record Recently with Injury has not been the best. Here's Hoping Draper has better Luck

I also get Fly would not Accept Lazy Players

Tackle numbers aren't a great indicator. It was pretty clear from his highlights that effort in the contest isn't an issue, which is where tackle numbers come from. I assume that they're talking about effort to run back and get to defensive contests and/or apply chasing pressure - chasing pressure is important for causing turnovers but it rarely gets you a tackle stat.

At pick 45, you're going to get a player with a weakness - and this is the one I'd choose, as I don't see it as a particularly difficult fix. Eg. he'll fix it easily if he is committed and wants to be a top player.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Tackle numbers aren't a great indicator. It was pretty clear from his highlights that effort in the contest isn't an issue, which is where tackle numbers come from. I assume that they're talking about effort to run back and get to defensive contests or apply chasing pressure - chasing pressure is important for causing turnovers but it rarely gets you a tackle stat.

At pick 45, you're going to get a player with a weakness - and this is the one I'd choose, as I don't see it as a particularly difficult fix. Eg. he'll fix it easily if he is committed and wants to be a top player.

Yeah to clarify, the two-way running is for example at a stoppage, Player A and Player B are opposed to each other.

Player B gets to the ball first, right position and wins the ground ball, and rather than Player A making an effort to apply pressure, just sort of trods behind. Player A is Draper.

When having a chance of winning the ball through a tackle, sure, no issues. The big question mark is the drop of the head/easy to give up when not in the contest but it's his direct opponent getting involved. Because even if he thinks he can't impact, that player might fumble or even the thought of implied pressure might cause a rushed disposal forward which is picked off.

As I said he improved it more later in the season, but some of the efforts at Under 18s level were cause for concern, and no doubt a key reason why he slid. He's got bucketloads of talent, and if we can harness it he's a steal. But it's not like he's slid that far for no reason, or because clubs forgot about him.

 

[TradeDraft]

As I said he improved it more later in the season, but some of the efforts at Under 18s level were cause for concern, and no doubt a key reason why he slid. He's got bucketloads of talent, and if we can harness it he's a steal. But it's not like he's slid that far for no reason, or because clubs forgot about him.

Craig McRae is a Type that would not accept 1 way Runners so hopefully staying away from Injuries and Motivation from Club/Coaches can set him on the Right Track

It does explain quite a Lot why he did Drop and teams in the 2nd Round where not Willing to take a Punt on him

 

[TradeDraft]

I do like Reading Draper did imporve his 2 way Running longer the season went and he could play

 

[TradeDraft]

2021 AFL Draft review: Collingwood

Collingwood's 2021 AFL Draft review features the Magpies picking up a trio of South Australians along with father-son Nick Daicos.

central.rookieme.com

 

[Jen2310]

 

[JuniorB]

Tks for producing this clarification.

Phillips may have been "high production", but a lot of it consisted of him stopping, looking sideways or backwards, then giving the opposition time to set up before moving it on.

 

[JuniorB]

Yeah I dont think it is either moving forward, not sure if you are adding to what I wrote or? I was just addressing Finlay being seen as a "small mid".

I think prior years it has been vulnerable to bigger and physical midfields.

I was looking fwd more so then next year, but if looking at next 2-3 years;
Pendles is 34 so doubtfully he's still here in 3 years when these mids take over full time.
Also whilst he is a large mid he doesn't use his size physically outside of protecting his space (more blocking).

Crisp and Adams will be 31 and winding up Adams especially given the way he plays takes a toll on the body.
Also a bit meh on Crisp as a mid up and down like a yoyo. Imo he would make a great run with player 100% MM would of used him as such effectively.
Noise out of the club has Degoey future at pies uncertain, could very well see him gone next year as a FA. Sounds like Degoeys camp is also unhappy with the club...wait and see I guess.


But after that I think we are building a decent sized midfield and agree adding that pace and zip was the right call this draft.

Hopefully next year we load up for a gun spine.

Pendles has never been a big, physical mid, despite his height. He's more a time & space player - never seems rushed & finds space when it seems there isn't any.

 

[JuniorB]

Lots of F/S and/or F/D prospects on the horizon.

Bucks has 2 future F/S prospects - a shame about their names.