Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...d-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf

In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated people it was 561 per 100,000, a more than 10-fold difference. The rates of COVID-19 ICU admissions or deaths peaked in the fortnight 8 September to 21 September at 0.9 per 100,000 in 2-dose vaccinated people compared to 15.6 per 100,000 in unvaccinated people, a greater than 16-fold difference.
 
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Fear porn? fear mongering? (in an earlier post). This is bizarre.

Hundreds of thousands of people dying around the world is a cause for concern. Pretending that isn’t real and claiming it is nothing to be concerned about by mocking those who are concerned displays a lack of empathy to the point of a pathology.

It is best policy to be cautious. Hopefully, this new omicron variant doesn’t bypass the clonal selection initiated by vaccines. Hopefully this variant isn’t more deadly to the unimmunised. Best to wait and see for a week or two.

Closing the borders to Southern Africa is probably not enough. Just as blocking passage from Italy but allowing passengers from the USA in the early stages of the pandemic was closing one stable door, but leaving the others open.

There are already cases in Israel, UK and many parts of Europe. The horse has already bolted and travel bans do nothing other the disadvantage the African nations on the list. There is no evidence it actually originated in South Africa.

And let's not forget WHO sat on the original outbreak and let it spread so as to not offend China. By the time they alerted countries and bans were imposed it was already too late.

I use the word fear porn because the worst case scenario is being sold. It is right to be cautious and concerned without falling for the 'sky is falling in' narrative that is just used to sell papers and increase ratings.
 
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It's almost like you are hoping it is worse.

Early indications is that it isn't so I'm going with glass half full atm.

I'm not going to stop you from doing you though.

eh? Where have I ever suggested I hope it won't be a mutation for the better?

What we know right now is that it appears to be more transmissible even within vaccinated populations. We don't know if it's more or less deadly, more or less likely to cause severe illness, or more or less likely to resist the benefits of the vaccine for severe illness or death. We can only guess at that at this point, which is why a number of countries are taking a very cautious approach.

We can't control what or how it will mutate and change. We can however, control the vaccine development and distribution.

A more highly vaccinated population, is something easy to control. First-world countries haven't done nearly enough to ensure third-world countries can have access to sufficient supply of vaccinations.

we should be wanting it to spread and become the dominant strain.
It why I'm viewing this as good news
Many see the way out of this pandemic being these mutations.
It's very rare if ever that a respitory virus increases its deadliness after mutating
It was mutations and not vaccines that ended the Spanish Flu.

Your posting has a theme here, and it appears that you've decided that it must be mutating to be less dangerous, whilst at best all we can say right now is we don't yet know. It appears to be more transmissible, which is a bad thing. It appears that vaccinated people still have better protection against the most severe impacts, which is a good thing. It appears that unvaccinated people are still getting quite sick from it, even young people, which is a bad thing.

There's no rule about how viruses will mutate, they generally get less deadly because if they get too deadly they burn themselves out. But Spanish Flu got more deadly before it got less deadly. The world also had no option of a vaccine at the time, so they had little choice but die their way out of it.
 
It's almost like you are hoping it is worse.

Early indications is that it isn't so I'm going with glass half full atm.

I'm not going to stop you from doing you though.
I think you are projecting
Everyone is hoping for the best but also preparing in case it is worse.
We do not have data yet
 

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I think you are projecting
Everyone is hoping for the best but also preparing in case it is worse.
We do not have data yet

All I am reading is pessimism. Apologies for looking for a positive
 
All I am reading is pessimism. Apologies for looking for a positive
i think you are projecting pessimism for realism, we have seen things get worse already (compare delta to original variant)
though it probably isn't your job to worry about it, so you can be optimistic
 

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i think you are projecting pessimism for realism, we have seen things get worse already (compare delta to original variant)
though it probably isn't your job to worry about it, so you can be optimistic

So to be a realist you have to be pessimistic? How sad.
 
So to be a realist you have to be pessimistic? How sad.
no a pessimist would be saying its definitely going to lead to repeat lockdowns

a realist is saying we dont know yet. It could be better, it could be worse; it seems to have more infectivity than delta if it is replacing delta - which would be a good thing if it conferred milder disease , but a bad thing if outcomes of same or worse. And we don't know about outcomes yet.
 

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Florida has the lowest case rates in states

EDIT: This is untrue based on official statistics. See subsequent posts for references.
 
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no a pessimist would be saying its definitely going to lead to repeat lockdowns

a realist is saying we dont know yet. It could be better, it could be worse; it seems to have more infectivity than delta if it is replacing delta - which would be a good thing if it conferred milder disease , but a bad thing if outcomes of same or worse. And we don't know about outcomes yet.

Apologies, but he tone of the above posts skew more towards fearing the worst. I was trying to put a positive spin on things and was told I was lacking in empathy and being unrealistic.

TBH pessimism is the vibe I am getting out of Australia.

Here in the UK we haven't had a restriction other than masks on the Tube.

I had Covid run through my daughter's class last week and my wife is still recovering from it. The school didn't close, kids got tested, not pushed into jab centres and life went on. We are living with Covid, not fearing it
 

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Only in the vaccinated.

Early indications in thr unaxxinated is that it is worse.

In the one article you read.

Why ignore Dr.Coetzee who has observed it as being mild in both.

You are determined to live in the extreme world of fear.

Good luck to you. I choose to do the opposite until data says otherwise.
 
We are living with Covid, not fearing it
Which is a worry. Some aren't living. They are being maimed or killed by it. The UK has one of the worst records, and is partially responsible for the spread of the Delta variant.

According to reports I’ve read, the UK government did nothing to mitigate Covid infections in schools. No work was done on school environments to make it harder for Covid to be transmitted.

Thankfully your wife is recovering and we're all glad for you in that regard.
 
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Based on what? They had 1123 new cases yesterday, at least 21 states had less cases in the last 24hrs. If we are talking totals they are top 5 in the country.

It is cases per 100k.
 

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But even then, the stats I am seeing have them from 12th to 15th. No where near the bottom. Much much higher than places like Washington, California, Virginia etc. Wonder where they are viewing their information.

Lowest cases per Capita apparently

EDIT - This is not true. Statistics referenced in subsequent posts.
 
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Quoting the head of Sowetos ICU ward who has lived it.

It takes weeks to genetically identify a new variant. An increase in their admissions doesn't point to Omicrom. It could just be a Delta outbreak they haven't had to deal with yet.

Neither of us are wrong at moment. Until it is decided either way I keep on living. I won't be cowering like the WA Premier seems to wants you to do.
 

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But even then, the stats I am seeing have them from 12th to 15th. No where near the bottom. Much much higher than places like Washington, California, Virginia etc. Wonder where they are viewing their information.

Are you talking cases or deaths?

Since introducing monoclonal clinics in August it appears Florida is doing quite well
 

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Yes, a marked shift in the demographics of admissions would definitely not be an indicator that it's the mutated variant.

Funny how people choose to believe only those who fit their pre-existing ideological position.

Touche.
 
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