Conspiracy Theory Stolen History

[exe ex machina]

What about the moon appearing upside down in the northern hemisphere and vice versa? I don't know if this was a fact, but that would certainly be a bit of a blow to the flat earth theory if true? Anyone got any info on that aspect? Unless the moon is just a disk that constantly spins.

Surely a study of the face of the moon from different parts of the earth would give is the ability to prove whether the earth is a globe or flat disk?

Thoughts?

FE has an answer for the moon upside down. Dunno what it is off the top of my head.

Did a quick search....

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It’s actually not a problem, and I don’t understand why people bring it up. I’m no Flat Earther myself, but I can see how in their usual model the Moon would indeed look upside-down from South of the equator.


Now to stave off the anticipated objection, yes I know that the Moon's shape would be distorted in this scenario. It would look like an ellipse instead of a circle. You could rightly use that as a criticism against their model, as in “How does the Flat Earth Model explain how the Moon's shape isn't squashed when it's not directly overhead?” But the fact that it is upside down when viewed from South of the equator itself is not a valid criticism.

 

[yebiga]

I have given this theory a fair go and have found two hurdles I don't think I can cross.
1- If you have ever been on holidays near the equator - sunset happens so much quicker than outside the tropical zones. Twilight is so short. Obviously, under the global model the greater circumference along the equator explains this phenomena.

and this next seems to me an irreconcilable problem:

2- Under the Flat Earth Model the path of the sun follows the same circles: tropic of cancer, equator and capricorn. And all this surprisingly works with what we observe and experience. However, under the Flat Earth model the tropic of cancer has by necessity a significantly smaller radius than the tropic of capricorn. For this model to work, the sun would need to slow down its flight path over the tropic of cancer and than speed up around the equator and speed up again around the far larger path around the tropic of capricorn to maintain the same length of days we experience.

I find this intuitively just doesn't work for me. There are other problems but most of them can be explained these two I find difficult to reconcile.

On the other hand, I think there are a number of issues with our official narrative. The footage of the moon landing, the footage of space and the earth, the discrepancies between experts as to even the shape of the earth, the distance of the sun from the earth at 93 million miles, the distances of all these stars. Much of this seems shonky and unconvincing. None of the live satellite feeds of earth show a horizon. So much if not all of the footage of astronauts in space looks fake.

Also, there is something about our neo-classical buildings, those world fairs. Before I ever saw these documentaries - I've always wondered why we once built these great stunning buildings that almost bring you to tears just looking at them and for the last 100 years have progressively been incapable or unwilling to build anything remotely as aesthetically amazing. We build shit - look at federation square - it was supposed to be a landmark - we pretend it is but really any idiot could have designed something more appealing and a more functional space.

I have never considered all that neo-classical ornateness of the past had anything to do with an energy systems but Ewar presents a theory that can not be automatically dismissed. The footage of those fairs is compelling and incongrous at the same time. There has been something deliberate going on for 100 years now - to keep us the masses dumb and its progressively getting even worse now with 24/7 media and social media.

So, I think I am back on a globe traversing infinite space at giddy speeds - unless someone can address my two hurdles, but those other issues raised by these video are not dependent on the earth being flat.

In fact, I wonder why mix it up like that? Whether the elite of this world are withholding free energy discoveries is a serious question that does not require anyone to believe that the world is flat. In fact, I can't help but think that commingling this matter with the flat earth theory is deliberately intended discredit the whole question by association.

 

[exe ex machina]

The problem with FE and GE is both have inconsistencies. But there seems to be more evidence that supports FE/geocentricity actually, tho other areas of FE that has inconsistencies or mysteries still.

As for Stolen History....yeah im in no doubt about that. So much mind blowing stuff in there

As for freemasons....likewise no doubt theyve been up to no good since they assumed control of the world via Rothschild and his buddies. And theres plenty of evidence to support even practices like child sacrifice and/or child abuse as part of their MO, as well as evidence of their taking control of all the worlds industries, and piecemeal feeding us lies, building lies, enslaving us to them, and profiting off atrocities etc

And theres probably a good foundation in faith in a creator and them trying to reduce man to a nothing in space, and kill off the notion of god, etc...they are satanists after all, as hard as that is to accept.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

And theres probably a good foundation in faith in a creator and them trying to reduce man to a nothing in space, and kill off the notion of god, etc...they are satanists after all, as hard as that is to accept.

If there is a creator, I think satan/devil whatever has possessed these conspiracy youtubers, which is why they have the weird voices.

That makes more sense to me as it's a much simpler plan.

 

[yebiga]

The problem with FE and GE is both have inconsistencies. But there seems to be more evidence that supports FE/geocentricity actually, tho other areas of FE that has inconsistencies or mysteries still.

As for Stolen History....yeah im in no doubt about that. So much mind blowing stuff in there

As for freemasons....likewise no doubt theyve been up to no good since they assumed control of the world via Rothschild and his buddies. And theres plenty of evidence to support even practices like child sacrifice and/or child abuse as part of their MO, as well as evidence of their taking control of all the worlds industries, and piecemeal feeding us lies, building lies, enslaving us to them, and profiting off atrocities etc

And theres probably a good foundation in faith in a creator and them trying to reduce man to a nothing in space, and kill off the notion of god, etc...they are satanists after all, as hard as that is to accept.

Agree there are problems with the GE model but I can't ignore my intuition that no FE model I can think of can work without differential sized circular sun flight paths - this then brings up not only a speed problem - requiring the sun to slow down as it moves to the tropic of cancer and speed up as it moves towards the tropic of capricorn but also the length of the suns path over the northern hemisphere would need to travel on a much tighter circle and this difference could not be hidden. Anyone who has been to Europe or North America can see that the sun's movement is exactly the same as it is here.

Consider however a different model. The earth, sun, moon and planets are indeed globes but all these bodies are travelling around the earth!!! This is where the distances are critical!!.

The distances in the official GE narrative are categorically wrong. Consider that at the equator the circumference is 40,000km and the days are uniformly 12 hours long. So every hour it the sun covers 1,666 km. Use trigonometry for a right angle triangle: the sun travels from noon to dusk 6 hours and therefore 15 degrees per hour from the perpendicular.

Using a trigonometry calculator - type in base 1,666 for km and X (the apex) 15% and this places the sun 6,216 km away for a flat earth - on a globe there is an additional 1,000km to add to allow for the curve for each hour after noon. Answer sun is 7,200 km away. Then you can work out the size of the sun - where it's 1 degree in width its' diameter would be 480 km

I think this resizing model works with all the variables.
Our earth is the giant in this system and we are at the centre, the sun, moon and all the planets are revolving around us!!! As are those damn stars!!.

The fraud in the current model makes the earth insignificant - a speck of sand and tends towards man's irrelevance in the greater scheme of things. Resize the system and the earth is in the middle and things look very different.

 

[yebiga]

This Geocentric system is essentially the Ptolemaic model. This place the moon, venus and mercury between us and the sun with Mars and the others on the other side of the sun all revolving around the earth.

It would explain why occasionally there can be a lunar eclipse before the sun has set - one of either mercury or venus has got in the way.

 

[exe ex machina]

Just to go back to Stolen History.....and that Tartarian Truthers channel on YT that focuses on Australia.....

That means when the Brits first came here in 1770s, or began settling in 1800s, that all the major cities and other towns, all had been already civilized, occupied, populated, for those majestic 1500s-or-earlier designed buildings to have pre-existed the Brits.

Gotta be some ancient maps, or ancient written accounts. Gotta be some Aboriginal story-time accounts of all this.

Does anyone know any sites with more info into that? Repository of ancient maps? A non-official story-time recorded history?

 

[Shane Heard]

Some of you here are either really really stupid or bordering on insane ..or both.

 

[yebiga]

Some of you here are either really really stupid or bordering on insane ..or both.

To engage in rich discourse, to learn and play with engaging ideas requires the suspension of judgement.

Over the last week, I have taken the FE view presented by Ewar seriously and stripped my own assumptions back to basics. Subsequently, I have decided the FE is wrong and only a globular world fits experience. The prevailing view would be that I have wasted my time. Yet, in taking this journey in and out of the rabbit hole, there are things I have learnt about the passage of stars, the naming of the tropics, the distances around the globe that are now cemented knowledge. They were of course always accessible to me via google or wikipedia but this is now something I own.

This journey has exposed me to a score of ancient myths and maps I did not know existed. I have reacquainted myself with the ptolemaic geo-centric model that prevailed for 1,600 years: its limitations with the retrograde movement of planets and that some of these limitations are still not resolved by the heliocentric model.

In miniature, this is the hero's journey - where you voluntarily walk into chaos, face the challenges and return home transformed.

Because I suspended my judgement on the lost history theme, I found myself yesterday walking around Melbourne marvelling at the architecture of St Pauls Cathedral, the Town Hall and other magnificent structures with a fresh eye. I don't know whether I believe there is a lost history, that these magnificent structures harnessed free energy. But by suspending my judgement and journeying down the rabbit hole I enter a world of awe and wonder - like child the familiar becomes special - and I can always return safely to the prevailing official narrative should I get too lost.

What precisely do I achieve if at first coming across this thread, I dismiss it as the ravings of lunatics? It seems to me all I achieve is to re-affirm a bland world l had no role in creating and all I am doing is insisting on the assertion of unexamined taught narratives. I miss out on challenging myself or learning anything at all. What's more, I have unnecessarily offended another party, asserted my own superiority and shut myself off from possibilities. This attitude which now dominates our culture is death itself - it is to me the one stupidity we can avoid.

 

[exe ex machina]

Wow, such brilliant writing and exactly what all this is about. Simply a journey of discovery and re-discovery.

 

[ParapMarkets]

To engage in rich discourse, to learn and play with engaging ideas requires the suspension of judgement.

Over the last week, I have taken the FE view presented by Ewar seriously and stripped my own assumptions back to basics. Subsequently, I have decided the FE is wrong and only a globular world fits experience. The prevailing view would be that I have wasted my time. Yet, in taking this journey in and out of the rabbit hole, there are things I have learnt about the passage of stars, the naming of the tropics, the distances around the globe that are now cemented knowledge. They were of course always accessible to me via google or wikipedia but this is now something I own.

This journey has exposed me to a score of ancient myths and maps I did not know existed. I have reacquainted myself with the ptolemaic geo-centric model that prevailed for 1,600 years: its limitations with the retrograde movement of planets and that some of these limitations are still not resolved by the heliocentric model.

In miniature, this is the hero's journey - where you voluntarily walk into chaos, face the challenges and return home transformed.

Because I suspended my judgement on the lost history theme, I found myself yesterday walking around Melbourne marvelling at the architecture of St Pauls Cathedral, the Town Hall and other magnificent structures with a fresh eye. I don't know whether I believe there is a lost history, that these magnificent structures harnessed free energy. But by suspending my judgement and journeying down the rabbit hole I enter a world of awe and wonder - like child the familiar becomes special - and I can always return safely to the prevailing official narrative should I get too lost.

What precisely do I achieve if at first coming across this thread, I dismiss it as the ravings of lunatics? It seems to me all I achieve is to re-affirm a bland world l had no role in creating and all I am doing is insisting on the assertion of unexamined taught narratives. I miss out on challenging myself or learning anything at all. What's more, I have unnecessarily offended another party, asserted my own superiority and shut myself off from possibilities. This attitude which now dominates our culture is death itself - it is to me the one stupidity we can avoid.

There’s quite a bit of Ewar’s discussions that seem fanciful, indeed there is quite a lot that simply cannot be substantiated and is nothing more than conjecture. But at the same time, there is substantial proof in amongst it all that we have been lied to on an astronomical scale (literally).

 

[Fwoy]

Whilst not necessarily “stolen history”, this vid discusses many old underwater cities, some which would alter our idea of the accepted historical timeline…

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Just to go back to Stolen History.....and that Tartarian Truthers channel on YT that focuses on Australia.....

That means when the Brits first came here in 1770s, or began settling in 1800s, that all the major cities and other towns, all had been already civilized, occupied, populated, for those majestic 1500s-or-earlier designed buildings to have pre-existed the Brits.

Gotta be some ancient maps, or ancient written accounts. Gotta be some Aboriginal story-time accounts of all this.

Does anyone know any sites with more info into that? Repository of ancient maps? A non-official story-time recorded history?

I've got an old book with a map of Tartaria in it.

When my Aunt died and we cleaned out her stuff I snaffled a whole lot of old books. I love old books, it's amazing what fascinating little titbits you can glean from them.

Can post a pic of the map if you're interested.

 

[exe ex machina]

I've got an old book with a map of Tartaria in it.

When my Aunt died and we cleaned out her stuff I snaffled a whole lot of old books. I love old books, it's amazing what fascinating little titbits you can glean from them.

Can post a pic of the map if you're interested.

Please do post

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Please do post

Actually it's not a map of Tartaria as such but a map that has it labelled on it. It's a bit vague as to where it is. Not sure if it will be readable but I'll take a pic and post it anyway.

Also interesting that this book has a section on coins which I found interesting as some people reckon that numbers were added or the 1 is actually a J and so on. I examined them carefully but couldn't come to any conclusions myself. It is worth noting though that all the sample coins they show in this book have only a 1 at the beginning so there is no other 1 in the year to compare it to (if you follow what I mean).

 

[GoTheSwannies]

To engage in rich discourse, to learn and play with engaging ideas requires the suspension of judgement.

Over the last week, I have taken the FE view presented by Ewar seriously and stripped my own assumptions back to basics. Subsequently, I have decided the FE is wrong and only a globular world fits experience. The prevailing view would be that I have wasted my time. Yet, in taking this journey in and out of the rabbit hole, there are things I have learnt about the passage of stars, the naming of the tropics, the distances around the globe that are now cemented knowledge. They were of course always accessible to me via google or wikipedia but this is now something I own.

This journey has exposed me to a score of ancient myths and maps I did not know existed. I have reacquainted myself with the ptolemaic geo-centric model that prevailed for 1,600 years: its limitations with the retrograde movement of planets and that some of these limitations are still not resolved by the heliocentric model.

In miniature, this is the hero's journey - where you voluntarily walk into chaos, face the challenges and return home transformed.

Because I suspended my judgement on the lost history theme, I found myself yesterday walking around Melbourne marvelling at the architecture of St Pauls Cathedral, the Town Hall and other magnificent structures with a fresh eye. I don't know whether I believe there is a lost history, that these magnificent structures harnessed free energy. But by suspending my judgement and journeying down the rabbit hole I enter a world of awe and wonder - like child the familiar becomes special - and I can always return safely to the prevailing official narrative should I get too lost.

What precisely do I achieve if at first coming across this thread, I dismiss it as the ravings of lunatics? It seems to me all I achieve is to re-affirm a bland world l had no role in creating and all I am doing is insisting on the assertion of unexamined taught narratives. I miss out on challenging myself or learning anything at all. What's more, I have unnecessarily offended another party, asserted my own superiority and shut myself off from possibilities. This attitude which now dominates our culture is death itself - it is to me the one stupidity we can avoid.

Very well articulated. I think you speak for many here.

 

[exe ex machina]

Actually it's not a map of Tartaria as such but a map that has it labelled on it. It's a bit vague as to where it is. Not sure if it will be readable but I'll take a pic and post it anyway.

Also interesting that this book has a section on coins which I found interesting as some people reckon that numbers were added or the 1 is actually a J and so on. I examined them carefully but couldn't come to any conclusions myself. It is worth noting though that all the sample coins they show have only a 1 at the beginning so there is no other 1 in the year to compare it to (if you follow what i mean).

There are many old statues and sign posts etc that clearly show a J not a 1 for the years. J789, etc. To me it seems like the previous way of doing the AD (anno domini). Instead of 1789 AD, it really is post Jesus (J) 789 years. Our history much shorter than it is ...which matches up with that Anatoly Fomenko research that events in the past were duplicated and placed side by side to create a false impression of a longer human history.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Here is the map. It proves nothing other than it was once a recognised place I suppose. That in itself is interesting because I had never heard of it until recently. The book this map is published in does not have a date but after doing some research on the publisher it can be no earlier than 1909 and I expect it's no later than the 1930s (based on who owned it in my family). The map in question is supposedly from 1570 but if they made up this period in history who knows!

Might have to enlarge the picture to see it. If you can find EUROPA, above right is Russia and above right of that is Tartaria.



Book it's from.

 

[exe ex machina]

Here is the map. It proves nothing other than it was once a recognised place I suppose. That in itself is interesting because I had never heard of it until recently. The book this map is published in does not have a date but after doing some research on the publisher it can be no earlier than 1909 and I expect it's no later than the 1930s (based on who owned it in my family). The map in question is supposedly from 1570 but if they made up this period in history who knows!

Might have to enlarge the picture to see it. If you can find EUROPA, above right is Russia and above right of that is Tartaria.

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Book it's from.
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Also, look at that land far left, near sth america....that looks like a small version of Lemuria (atlantis), that sunk into the sea (the oceans flooded it into the sea), where in recent times theyve found huge walls (of cities/buildings) under the sea there.

I also had never heard of Tartary/Tartaria until this thread was created.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Also, look at that land far left, near sth america....that looks like a small version of Lemuria (atlantis), that sunk into the sea (the oceans flooded it into the sea), where in recent times theyve found huge walls (of cities/buildings) under the sea there.

Isn't that supposed to be New Guinea?

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

The top part is interesting though. There are some theories that the artic is a bunch of lands (not just ice) and there is a mountain at the most northerly point (or the middle) that is magnetic or some such. You can see in this map the artic is represented by several separate land masses.

 

[exe ex machina]

Isn't that supposed to be New Guinea?

Don't think so. New Guinea is over the far right where Australia isn't even mapped yet, below Asia. Whereas that land is off the coast of Sth America. Lemuria (maybe it's not Atlantis itself) but it WAS a continent reported by ancients, was located in the Pacific ocean, between Sth America and Australia. That looks like it....but Lumeria was larger. I guess some of the land at that time of map creation, maybe a lot of the land had been submerged by then, only that bit left.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Don't think so. New Guinea is over the far right where Australia isn't even mapped yet, below Asia. Whereas that land is off the coast of Sth America. Lemuria (maybe it's not Atlantis itself) but it WAS a continent reported by ancients, was located in the Pacific ocean, between Sth America and Australia. That looks like it....but Lumeria was larger. I guess some of the land at that time of map creation, maybe a lot of the land had been submerged by then, only that bit left.

I think we are looking at different bits of the map, not sure which bit you mean. Can you be more specific?

 

[exe ex machina]

I think we are looking at different bits of the map, not sure which bit you mean. Can you be more specific?

PNG is below Asia, above Australia. Lemuria is off the coast of Sth America, halfway between Australia and Sth America in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

In that map you posted, theres a land mass off the coast of Sth America, middle of Pacific Ocean, between Sth America and Australia (which hadnt been mapped yet on your map). Even tho its smaller than the reported Lemuria, it's located exactly where it was reported to be.

 

[exe ex machina]

Even tho the map calls it NEW GUINEA, it looks more like Lumeria, where it was located, and PNG is actually more below Asia / above Australia, than it is wide open in the ocean between Aust and Sth Amer. Too close to Sth Amer's Pacific coast to be PNG.

Suggesting it's mis-named on the map.