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The inception of quoting myself...

Also, has anyone seen Shaun's videos?

They are mostly his voice-over (he's British) on a static pic of his logo. Such high production values that only the US government could pay for!
 
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Oh, since when did that change, so the vaccine doesn't stop you getting the virus?

This has always been about reducing the impact of Covid, not killing it outright. Reducing the strain on our health services as much as possible. Check this out;


How the vaccines work

These vaccines will protect you from getting severely ill or dying if you get COVID-19.

The vaccines train your immune system to recognise and clear out the virus, before it makes you seriously ill. Your body's immune system builds this protection over time.

You are fully protected 7 to 14 days after your second dose.

The virus that causes COVID-19 (called SARS-CoV-2) has spikes of protein on each viral particle. These spike proteins allow the virus to attach to cells and cause disease.

The vaccines help the body to:

- recognise these spike proteins as a threat
- fight the coronavirus that has these proteins...

See, it's a reactionary vaccine, because the virus in this case isn't really alive. It just replicates itself once it finds a host, f*cking said host up in the process. The only way forward is to recognise then thwart the severity of the attack after its already started.
 
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From that article, it suggests that people without symptoms present a small risk of being infectious. But apparently the narrative of vaccines has moved on from preventing infection (and never was) and is now about preventing serious illness.

Omicron should be a game changer in how we approach the virus - it's mostly about the same severity as a cold. But governments and the media seem to be fixated by 'cases'. A case being a +ve test for Sars-Cov-2 without the requirement for any symptoms. Queues for tests are kilometers long. Vital services are short staffed due to isolation rules.

Are the measures against Omicron are having more impact than the illness?

The measures are definitely having an impact, sure. But this strain is so infectious they still don't know if the total infected pool we're left with is going to be far, far larger with more hospitalisations simply by sheer weight of numbers than in any previous strain.

Of course, the main figure to look at IS hospitalisation, not merely 'infected' The fact that so many health workers are just running on fumes now after over two years of infection (so far) and are now faced with a far more infectious strain might be the breaking point as we move further into 2022.

The news from the U.S is grim enough;

Jan 2, 2022

(CNN) -- The US kicked off 2022 amid a massive Covid-19 case spike -- driven by the highly contagious Omicron variant -- that some experts warn will be different than any other time in the pandemic.

"What we have to understand is that our health system is at a very different place than we were in previous surges," professor of emergency medicine Dr. Esther Choo told CNN on Saturday. "We have extremely high numbers of just lost health care workers, we've lost at least 20% of our health care workforce, probably more."

"This strain is so infectious," Choo added, "that I think all of us know many, many colleagues who are currently infected or have symptoms and are under quarantine."

The high number of health care staff out with the virus will also have an impact on Americans' doctors appointments and could make for dangerous circumstances when people are hospitalized with Covid-19, Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of Baylor University's National School of Tropical Medicine, said Friday.

"That's a different type of one-two punch: people going into the hospitals ... and all of the health care workers are out of the workforce," he told CNN.

But the latest variant isn't just shrinking health care staff numbers. As the virus spreads like wildfire across American communities, staffing problems are already altering parts of daily life.

Plagued with staffing issues, New York City's Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) announced last week several subway lines were suspended.

In Ohio, the mayor of Cincinnati declared a state of emergency due to staffing shortages in the city's fire department following a rise in Covid-19 infections, saying in the declaration that if the problem goes unaddressed, it would "substantially undermine" first responders' readiness levels.

And in the middle of a busy holiday season, thousands of flights have been canceled or delayed as staff and crew call out sick.

"We're seeing a surge in patients again, unprecedented in this pandemic," Dr. James Phillips, chief of disaster medicine at George Washington University Hospital, warned on Saturday. "What's coming for the rest of the country could be very serious and they need to be prepared..."

As per the article, short-staffing issues are definitely being magnified by quarantine measures for sick health care workers, but their very job is to care for the sickest and the most vulnerable of our population. Letting even 100% asymptomatic health workers out of quarantine, potentially infecting already-weakened patients as well as other health care workers might well end up being worse than keeping them quarantined in the long run.

That's worst-case scenario I know, but it bears considering.
 

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With hospitalisations there's a lot of 'incidentals' ie patients being admitted for broken bones, labour pains or mental health issues etc who happen to test positive for Sars-Cov2. So it appears like the number of Covid-19 hospitalisations is rising. This report says up to half of NSW cases were admitted for something else.

74 per cent of NSW ICU patients since December 16 had the Delta variant. 62 per cent of ICU patients with the Delta variant since December 16 were not vaccinated or had one dose of vaccine. So there's an over-representation in non-vaxxed. But it also means 38% of ICU patients were double vaccinated. It's a long way from the promises last year that the vaccines would be a "dead end" to the virus. Or the claims from the vaccine trials that they gave 95% protection.

It's likely that Omicron has already taken over from Delta in Australia. It's still early to say how it will impact on the ICU numbers and whether being double, triple or quadruple vaccinated gives protection.
There is the suggestion from that same source that some non mRNA vax take longer to reach effectiveness, and may maintain effectiveness longer. I wonder how much if any that is affected by a british perspective on AZ?
 
But apparently the narrative of vaccines has moved on from preventing infection (and never was) and is now about preventing serious illness.
The narrative. :rolleyesv1:

Vaccines only work after you're infected. If they keep the viral load down then you're not infecting others. If you fight it off quickly the window of infection narrows.

If everyone is vaccinated the virus has a diminishing chance of getting through the population.

This has always been the case. I've posted links in the last two years. Others have too.

Stop using the language of conspiracy.
 

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In the least surprising plot twist to all the nonsensical rules, Novak Djokovic has been given an exemption to compete in the Australian Open.

So there's approximately 600,000 people in Victoria who are unable to attend this tennis tournament because of vaccine mandate rules. Those same people are unable to get a job to provide for their families.

Whereas an overseas player with undeclared vaccine status can fly in and make $4.5 million in a couple of weeks for a swinging a racquet.
Source for 600,000? thanks
 
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With hospitalisations there's a lot of 'incidentals' ie patients being admitted for broken bones, labour pains or mental health issues etc who happen to test positive for Sars-Cov2. So it appears like the number of Covid-19 hospitalisations is rising. This report says up to half of NSW cases were admitted for something else.

74 per cent of NSW ICU patients since December 16 had the Delta variant. 62 per cent of ICU patients with the Delta variant since December 16 were not vaccinated or had one dose of vaccine. So there's an over-representation in non-vaxxed. But it also means 38% of ICU patients were double vaccinated. It's a long way from the promises last year that the vaccines would be a "dead end" to the virus. Or the claims from the vaccine trials that they gave 95% protection.

It's likely that Omicron has already taken over from Delta in Australia. It's still early to say how it will impact on the ICU numbers and whether being double, triple or quadruple vaccinated gives protection.

The thing about vaccines, all of them, is that they are usually only be valid against known variants or strains. Omicron wasn't known of when the health services scrambled against the original strain, or Alpha, or Delta. Mutations can be anticipated but they can never actually be countered until they reveal themselves. As it goes right now omicron is hampered a good bit by the vaccines and especially the repeat boosters we've come up with so far, but that's it. It has evaded even double-vaxxed defences and now we all need a third round of injections to be safe.

Never forget that as we learn, so does the virus. Not in a conscious way, but in an evolutionary way. It needs to replicate to survve but killing the host too early prevents spread and therefore breeding. So it learns and it learns to sidestep our countermeasures as it progresses.

It becomes a neverending loop until the virus steps back (or is forced to step back) into its endemic 'background' phase rather than the current pandemic one.
 

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The Victorian Government has all but lifted restrictions, suggesting current overall Vaccination % may be scientifically capable of dealing with the potential risk of future transmission as we know it. Despite unprecedented current infection rates, the relaxing of mandatory lockdown and close-contact redefinitions seem to support that inference. Yet, the smaller percentage of Victorians who've chosen not to be vaccinated remain prohibited from working away from home.

Temporarily leave aside that employers and employees may make private arrangements regarding vaccination between themselves. Other States/Territories don't appear to be imposing the same level of restriction as Victoria, but for those industries in which it seems objectively justifiable.

So, what's the reasoning and proportional justification behind what seems to be a continuing blanket prohibition, imposed by the Victorian Labour Government, on employees who've chosen not to be vaccinated, working away from home?
 
This has always been about reducing the impact of Covid, not killing it outright. Reducing the strain on our health services as much as possible. Check this out;



See, it's a reactionary vaccine, because the virus in this case isn't really alive. It just replicates itself once it finds a host, f*cking said host up in the process. The only way forward is to recognise then thwart the severity of the attack after its already started.

Why is that different to ( for example ) smallpox vaccines?
Which vaccines are "NOT" reactionary.
 

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In the least surprising plot twist to all the nonsensical rules, Novak Djokovic has been given an exemption to compete in the Australian Open.

So there's approximately 600,000 people in Victoria who are unable to attend this tennis tournament because of vaccine mandate rules. Those same people are unable to get a job to provide for their families.

Whereas an overseas player with undeclared vaccine status can fly in and make $4.5 million in a couple of weeks for a swinging a racquet.
The thing about vaccines, all of them, is that they are usually only be valid against known variants or strains. Omicron wasn't known of when the health services scrambled against the original strain, or Alpha, or Delta. Mutations can be anticipated but they can never actually be countered until they reveal themselves. As it goes right now omicron is hampered a good bit by the vaccines and especially the repeat boosters we've come up with so far, but that's it. It has evaded even double-vaxxed defences and now we all need a third round of injections to be safe.

Never forget that as we learn, so does the virus. Not in a conscious way, but in an evolutionary way. It needs to replicate to survve but killing the host too early prevents spread and therefore breeding. So it learns and it learns to sidestep our countermeasures as it progresses.

It becomes a neverending loop until the virus steps back (or is forced to step back) into its endemic 'background' phase rather than the current pandemic one.
ah yes, the old round about theory, a solid classic
 
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Why is that different to ( for example ) smallpox vaccines?
Which vaccines are "NOT" reactionary.

I think this answers that;

Nov 29, 2021

...All vaccines trigger immunity, but how long it lasts depends on several factors. One of them is the rate at which a virus replicates, says Hai Tran, associate director of Cedars-Sinai's Pharmacy Services.

"If a virus replicates quickly, it has a chance to produce more mutations, also known as variants. The more variants emerge, the harder it is to make a vaccine that will create lasting immunity, because the target keeps moving," she explains.

Ethan Smith, a pharmacist at Cedars-Sinai, agrees: "If a virus is stable, that gives us a big advantage. Measles is an example of a stable virus that is unlikely to replicate, so scientists could predict that immunity would last a long time, which it does." Smallpox and polio, highly contagious viruses that were almost eradicated through vaccination, are also stable with low mutation rates.

Viruses that replicate fast and mutate a lot, like influenza, pose a challenge for vaccine makers. "Every year there are multiple new strains of flu, which is why you should get a flu shot every year," says Hai. "This season's flu vaccine offers protection against four different strains, but next year, there likely will be new ones..."

Stable, slow-moving virus = longer vaccine immunity from said virus. Fast-moving, quickly-mutating virus = shorter immuno-protection between strains/variants.

ah yes, the old round about theory, a solid classic

Fair enough. What's your take on the situation?
 

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Some fu**in clown on the High Wycombe tavern Facebook page compared mandates to Nazi Germany. And then it got pointed out to her that the Nazis actually opposed mandates so it'd kill the "weak." Golden irony.
as opposed to the mandate of the gas chambers of course?
 

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And now even more countries are making vaccines and boosters mandatory.

this is just the way it has to be.
what a lemming " this is just the way it has to be " How's the vaccine's control of the virus going? With all the unvaxxed still locked out of community gatherings it must be the vaxxed spreading the virus,
 
I think this answers that;



Stable, slow-moving virus = longer vaccine immunity from said virus. Fast-moving, quickly-mutating virus = shorter immuno-protection between strains/variants.



Fair enough. What's your take on the situation?

That makes sense. But it doesn't support the original claim that the Covid vaccines were inferior because they are reactionary. Its because they are chasing a fast moving quickly mutating virus.
 
what a lemming " this is just the way it has to be " How's the vaccine's control of the virus going? With all the unvaxxed still locked out of community gatherings it must be the vaxxed spreading the virus,

Its the unvaxxed filling the hospitals still.
The nearest analogy i can find to following someone off a cliff is to jump on the anti-vaxx bandwagon.

Most of the others are avoiding the cliff.
 

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Its the unvaxxed filling the hospitals still.
The nearest analogy i can find to following someone off a cliff is to jump on the anti-vaxx bandwagon.

Most of the others are avoiding the cliff.
Not true, most people did it because they were pushed into a corner, the jump in the van rate confirms this
 
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what a lemming " this is just the way it has to be " How's the vaccine's control of the virus going? With all the unvaxxed still locked out of community gatherings it must be the vaxxed spreading the virus,
Lol following science is a lemming.

Half the hospitalisations are the unvaxed despite 95 percent of the population being vaxed. Maths is your friend.
 
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