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A lot of the left are just religion replacement. More ideology, dogma, no self critique, and the hypocrisy. Plus, they can be like the Puritans, humourless killjoys. What an arid place to be.Critisize or vehemently oppose his point of view are two different things...Peterson has stirred up a truck load of controversy, particularly on the left who simply cannot stand him. They can't argue with him, so they would prefer to just cancel him instead of running around like a headless chook in frustration. The left have a tendency to prolong an argument rather than concede ground and they certainly do not entertain another opinion.
I don’t know. I read 12 rules and liked it so I guess I’m a follower. I had no idea about half the stuff you are talking about. I think the intense interest in his personal life is borne in some sick schadenfreude.You think his followers don't know anything about his struggles with drug addiction and mental health problems?
Noting how he personally doesn't follow his own philosophy isn't "intense interest in his personal life".I don’t know. I read 12 rules and liked it so I guess I’m a follower. I had no idea about half the stuff you are talking about. I think the intense interest in his personal life is borne in some sick schadenfreude.
His philosophical premise is the personal responsibility should be at the core of how we live.I think the intense interest in his personal life is borne in some sick schadenfreude.
The deeply considerate conservative public intellectual who examines things carefully and evaluates without emotion is saying Joe Rogan will bash you up. He's not right.
I guess I feel like some of the cackling at his personal struggles goes beyond “scrutiny.”Noting how he personally doesn't follow his own philosophy isn't "intense interest in his personal life".
You just don't want him scrutinised.
And?His philosophical premise is the personal responsibility should be at the core of how we live.
He has no self awareness to realise that substance abuse causes many to live horrible lives. Because had the means to seek help, he will be ok. Others who don't benefit from the privilege he gets, won't.I guess I feel like some of the cackling at his personal struggles goes beyond “scrutiny.”
And?
I’m trying to understand where the alleged hypocrisy is, exactly. I don’t remember him ever saying that people who need help shouldn’t get it. His views on personal responsibility aren’t some full blown libertarian thing.He has no self awareness to realise that substance abuse causes many to live horrible lives. Because had the means to seek help, he will be ok. Others who don't benefit from the privilege he gets, won't.
He will go on preaching his individuality stuff completely unaware of the structural benefits he gets. He's declining though.
If his followers knew (and rationalised it) they wouoldnt be followers anymore.The left know more about JP’s personal life than his followers. Kinda creepy really.
he is somewhat right on personal responsibility (although its more complicated that what he makes out). Pity he couldnt live up to his own idealogy and instead turned to drug abuse and thoughts of suicide rather then just act like a grown up and take personal responsibility.I’m trying to understand where the alleged hypocrisy is, exactly. I don’t remember him ever saying that people who need help shouldn’t get it. His views on personal responsibility aren’t some full blown libertarian thing.
If you don’t think personal responsibility should be one of the things at the core of how we live, what should replace it exactly?
Didn’t he develop a dependency on a medication he was prescribed for anxiety? I’ve just read his Wikipedia page so I am just learning all this.he is somewhat right on personal responsibility (although its more complicated that what he makes out). Pity he couldnt live up to his own idealogy and instead turned to drug abuse and thoughts of suicide rather then just act like a grown up and take personal responsibility.
His philosophical premise is the personal responsibility should be at the core of how we live.
Anxiety (unless someone is trying to kill you) is largely a weakness of the mind. The one who tries to make money peddling books to deal with anxiety should not fall victim to it. Its a failure to take mental responsibility.Didn’t he develop a dependency on a medication he was prescribed for anxiety? I’ve just read his Wikipedia page so I am just learning all this.
Is going to the doctor for something, and taking the prescribed medication somehow shirking personal responsibility? Does JP promote personal responsibility as a substitute for medicine?
Unless there’s some part of the story I’m missing, I really don’t think what you’re saying holds water at all.
Anxiety = failure to take mental responsibility.Anxiety (unless someone is trying to kill you) is largely a weakness of the mind. The one who tries to make money peddling books to deal with anxiety should not fall victim to it. Its a failure to take mental responsibility.
See that’s the thing with Peterson. When he’s not spectacularly wrong (see cultural Marxism) he’s offering platitudes. The sort of stuff responsible parents tell their kids.
But it's just the conservative "self agency" fantasy.I'm not defending his hypocrisy, just pointing that self responsibility should be first and foremost - that can't really be argued.
But it's just the conservative "self agency" fantasy.
If you're poor and homeless, a drug addict, in an abusive relationship, it's because you are lazy or decided to be that way so society shouldn't lift a finger to help you.
The black and white moral judgement keeps away the anxiety and uncertainty of a world of myriad, uncontrollable options.
It's garbage.
I don't get where this came from.