Society/Culture Woke. Can you tell real from parody?

[Chief]

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Society/Culture - Woke. Can you tell real from parody? - Part 2 -

Potatoes have no gender. And soon, nearly 70 years (sic), the name of Hasbro’s popular spud-shaped toy will reflect that: No more Mr. Potato Head. It’s just Potato Head. On Thursday, the company announced it would be rebranding the iconic quick-change toy to break away from traditional ideas...

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[Scotland]

Using Star Wars as an example is... interesting. It's not everyone's cup of tea but the original trilogy had good characters and plot lines. No one cared that Leia was a strong female lead, or Lando Calrissian was a black guy, or Darth Vader was voiced by a black guy etc. because they were good characters that added to the films. Even in the prequels (1999-2005) most hatred was directed at Jar Jar (alien) and Hayden Christensen (white male) as Anakin because he's a terrible actor. People didn't love Ewan McGregor because he's a white male, they loved him because he was a believable as a young Sir Alec Guinness. No one cared there was a black Jedi because Samuel L Jackson is a badass everything.

The new trilogy (2015-2019) had few positives, and one of those was an interesting female lead (Rey) whose development ended up being terrible. Ignoring the fact that they just weren't good films overall the producers shoe-horned in minority characters for the sake of it. The promos for the first one were all about a black stormtrooper - which made people ask how that was possible given they were originally clones of Jake the Muss. That character was introduced in Ep 7 and had the potential to be something but ended up going nowhere. Rose Tico (token asian female) and Vice-Admiral Holdo (token purple-haired female leader) added nothing to the films. If the studio was focused on just making a good film instead of box ticking diversity criteria they would've had fewer characters and put more development into the ones that were there. And had a plot.

Game of Thrones is another thing that melted internet movie (well, TV) fans. It was very white but no one cared that Daenerys and Cersei were calling the shots, Arya was a badass, lady Olenna was a boss etc. But they hated almost everything about the final season and what happened to certain characters and existing plot lines.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Using Star Wars as an example is... interesting. It's not everyone's cup of tea but the original trilogy had good characters and plot lines. No one cared that Leia was a strong female lead, or Lando Calrissian was a black guy, or Darth Vader was voiced by a black guy etc. because they were good characters that added to the films. Even in the prequels (1999-2005) most hatred was directed at Jar Jar (alien) and Hayden Christensen (white male) as Anakin because he's a terrible actor. People didn't love Ewan McGregor because he's a white male, they loved him because he was a believable as a young Sir Alec Guinness. No one cared there was a black Jedi because Samuel L Jackson is a badass everything.

The new trilogy (2015-2019) had few positives, and one of those was an interesting female lead (Rey) whose development ended up being terrible. Ignoring the fact that they just weren't good films overall the producers shoe-horned in minority characters for the sake of it. The promos for the first one were all about a black stormtrooper - which made people ask how that was possible given they were originally clones of Jake the Muss. That character was introduced in Ep 7 and had the potential to be something but ended up going nowhere. Rose Tico (token asian female) and Vice-Admiral Holdo (token purple-haired female leader) added nothing to the films. If the studio was focused on just making a good film instead of box ticking diversity criteria they would've had fewer characters and put more development into the ones that were there. And had a plot.

Game of Thrones is another thing that melted internet movie (well, TV) fans. It was very white but no one cared that Daenerys and Cersei were calling the shots, Arya was a badass, lady Olenna was a boss etc. But they hated almost everything about the final season and what happened to certain characters and existing plot lines.

Parody

 

[The Passenger]

Using Star Wars as an example is... interesting. It's not everyone's cup of tea but the original trilogy had good characters and plot lines. No one cared that Leia was a strong female lead, or Lando Calrissian was a black guy, or Darth Vader was voiced by a black guy etc. because they were good characters that added to the films.

No they didn't care.

But you can just picture the meltdown now if this film was released in 2022.

How do we know this? Because conservative commentators has said meltdown over just about every movie involving strong females or black characters.

Here's poor Ben Shapiro on Black Panther as just one example.

 

[The Dice Man]

Which is it?

 

[Scotland]

No they didn't care.

But you can just picture the meltdown now if this film was released in 2022.

Well the new ones came out in 2015, 2017 and 2019 - so... yeah. The angst at minority characters was directed at the fact that they were just there for the sake of ticking boxes.

 

[Gethelred]

Well the new ones came out in 2015, 2017 and 2019 - so... yeah. The angst at minority characters was directed at the fact that they were just there for the sake of ticking boxes.

... that's why the angst was there, is it?

It wasn't because the films weren't coherent? They weren't because the sojourn into the gambling planet introduced class structure and concepts that to this point weren't present in the film universe? It wasn't because the new trilogy didn't tread any new ground, and presented a) a force power not shown on screen in Palpatine's starship destroying lightning, b) a force concept not seen on screen in a Dyed, and c) a romantic subplot between two characters that had absolutely zero chemistry. It wasn't because the films trod entirely too familiar ground and weren't worthy successors to the original trilogy? It wasn't because it went just as everything JJ Abrams has ever worked on, and a promising beginning spiraled into absolute s**t due to too many plot threads and not enough depth?

No, it was the minority characters. Yep. That's what it was.

 

[Frank Bunn]

The angst at minority characters was directed at the fact that they were just there for the sake of ticking boxes.

The British Film Institute is one of the major funders of TV and films in the UK using National Lottery money they receive from Government. To qualify for their funding you have to tick these boxes.



Then the BAFTAs have adopted the BFI's criteria so productions can't win an award unless they tick the boxes.

 

[Gough]

Bang a breeder in as a gay character, everyone lauds them for being "brave", critical claim ensues and dollars follow. Why do you guys hate capitalism?

 

[ElectricG]

Bang a breeder in as a gay character, everyone lauds them for being "brave", critical claim ensues and dollars follow. Why do you guys hate capitalism?

Please provide evidence that “going woke” increases revenue.

 

[Seeds]

The British Film Institute is one of the major funders of TV and films in the UK using National Lottery money they receive from Government. To qualify for their funding you have to tick these boxes.

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Then the BAFTAs have adopted the BFI's criteria so productions can't win an award unless they tick the boxes.

Thats just insane.

 

[ElectricG]

The British Film Institute is one of the major funders of TV and films in the UK using National Lottery money they receive from Government. To qualify for their funding you have to tick these boxes.

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Then the BAFTAs have adopted the BFI's criteria so productions can't win an award unless they tick the boxes.

Who would enjoy watching such a thing?

 

[Leeda]

I park my brains in the footwell whenever I play on Big Footy….Carcinogens I am guilty of abusing…

 

[Scotland]

The British Film Institute is one of the major funders of TV and films in the UK using National Lottery money they receive from Government. To qualify for their funding you have to tick these boxes.

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Then the BAFTAs have adopted the BFI's criteria so productions can't win an award unless they tick the boxes.

I wish this was parody.

 

[Leeda]

I wish this was parody.

Gobsmacked..seriously some are less than worthy…

 

[Scotland]

Gobsmacked..seriously some are less than worthy…

It's also the creative arts.

 

[Leeda]

It's also the creative arts.

Yeah…like Jerry…blinding my self with utter ignorance on one hand but also
telling myself…I am okay…

 

[Osho]

The British Film Institute is one of the major funders of TV and films in the UK using National Lottery money they receive from Government. To qualify for their funding you have to tick these boxes.

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Then the BAFTAs have adopted the BFI's criteria so productions can't win an award unless they tick the boxes.

Left wing command economics, after such historical successes, has graduated to the film industry.

 

[Leeda]

Wrong equals standing ….carrots tiny,..

 

[Eagle Wrath]

Please provide evidence that “going woke” increases revenue.

Thankfully its the opposite and money will always hold these bad ideas back. Many woke Hollywood films are failing miserably because of it. Golden Globes is a funny example. Almost dead now and wasnt telecast this year because the public just don't want to listen to these over-privileged virtue signalers. It needs Ricky Gervais back to point that out too, just for our entertainment.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Go woke, go broke. But also, businesses only go woke to increase profit.

 

[ElectricG]

Thankfully its the opposite and money will always hold these bad ideas back. Many woke Hollywood films are failing miserably because of it. Golden Globes is a funny example. Almost dead now and wasnt telecast this year because the public just don't want to listen to these over-privileged virtue signalers. It needs Ricky Gervais back to point that out too, just for our entertainment.

You couldn’t even make movies with an important progressive message without ruining it these days. Twelve years a slave, Schindler’s list, hotel Rwanda, etc. would all fall hopelessly short of meeting this ridiculous criteria. Can you imagine these movies with LGBTQIs and deaf people shoehorned in for no apparent reason other than representation?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You couldn’t even make movies with an important progressive message without ruining it these days. Twelve years a slave, Schindler’s list, hotel Rwanda, etc. would all fall hopelessly short of meeting this ridiculous criteria. Can you imagine these movies with LGBTQIs and deaf people shoehorned in for no apparent reason other than representation?

Ok, lets ignore the specifics of 'British Film Industry'; those movies would still fit the criteria, even without LGBT or deaf inclusion.

It seems the people outraged by this can't comprehend simple sentences and/or count to three.

Try reading the criteria again.

 

[ElectricG]

Ok, lets ignore the specifics of 'British Film Industry'; those movies would still fit the criteria, even without LGBT or deaf inclusion.

It seems the people outraged by this can't comprehend simple sentences and/or count to three.

Try reading the criteria again.

Okay, you got me. Rwanda and Slave by the skin of their teeth. Schindler definitely does not qualify, unless you are facetious enough to argue that Jewish people are underrepresented in film.

Keep in mind this is a criteria for ANY film, not for the people trying to write the next movie of that calibre.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Okay, you got me. Rwanda and Slave by the skin of their teeth. Schindler definitely does not qualify, unless you are facetious enough to argue that Jewish people are underrepresented in film.

Keep in mind this is a criteria for ANY film, not for the people trying to write the next movie of that calibre.

Under represented groups could include - an actor with red hair, obesity, baldness, freckles etc etc.

There is a lot of scope within that criteria. Creative people could work around it quite easily.

 

[ElectricG]

Under represented groups could include - an actor with red hair, obesity, baldness, freckles etc etc.

There is a lot of scope within that criteria. Creative people could work around it quite easily.

I don’t think that’s what it means homie