2022 French presidential election - 10 & 24 April

[Seeds]

Thankfully, Macron has won.

Hopefully 2027 can stave off the far right, as Le Pen achieved an 8% swing to her in the run-off compared to 2017. With Macron unable to run a third time (and his party really being only really about him), and the two historic parties of government having collapsed to less than 5% of the vote each, it's going to be interesting (and hopefully not troubling!) to see who fills the vacuum. But for today, celebrate the defeat of the far right!

This point gets glossed over but it really is amazing. The two historic parties have collapsed. Just imagine if labour and liberals collapsed and the elections here were now between the greens, pauline hanson and clive palmer. Thats effectively what has happened in France.

 

[Seeds]

Slovenia also had an election and looks like the incumbent right-wing government have been defeated in a landslide.

Slovenia election: liberal newcomer Robert Golob defeats populist PM

Golob’s Freedom Movement wins 34.5% of the vote over Trump-admirer Janez Janša’s populist party in election billed as a ‘referendum on democracy’

www.theguardian.com

I wonder if there is some shift that is happening in Europe where the flirtation a lot of nations have been involved in with right-wing nationalists is losing support.

Except in hungry they gave the alt right winger even more power.

 

[Upstart Swan]

Slovenia also had an election and looks like the incumbent right-wing government have been defeated in a landslide.

Slovenia election: liberal newcomer Robert Golob defeats populist PM

Golob’s Freedom Movement wins 34.5% of the vote over Trump-admirer Janez Janša’s populist party in election billed as a ‘referendum on democracy’

www.theguardian.com

I wonder if there is some shift that is happening in Europe where the flirtation a lot of nations have been involved in with right-wing nationalists is losing support.

Unfortunately Hungary's Viktor Orban had a comfortable win just a few weeks ago, so maybe no pattern yet. I'm not sure if there's any more major European elections coming up this year to see if there is a new trend.

 

[elon31]

Unfortunately Hungary's Viktor Orban had a comfortable win just a few weeks ago, so maybe no pattern yet. I'm not sure if there's any more major European elections coming up this year to see if there is a new trend.

Maybe the countries history or Hungary or Sloveni why Orban & other conservative governments are winning

In the recent French elections Le Pen was more popular with the younger crowd as opposed to macron with the boomers.

Why does France's youth support Marine Le Pen?

If it was left to youngish French people, Marine Le Pen would probably be elected President of the Republic next May. There has been a radical shift in her favour among French 25-34 year olds, according to a recent Elabe poll (figures confirmed in other surveys by Ipsos and Ifop)...

unherd.com

 

[mcnulty]

Maybe the countries history or Hungary or Sloveni why Orban & other conservative governments are winning

In the recent French elections Le Pen was more popular with the younger crowd as opposed to macron with the boomers.

Why does France's youth support Marine Le Pen?

If it was left to youngish French people, Marine Le Pen would probably be elected President of the Republic next May. There has been a radical shift in her favour among French 25-34 year olds, according to a recent Elabe poll (figures confirmed in other surveys by Ipsos and Ifop)...

unherd.com

Le Pen got thumped in the 18-24 demographic 40.8 to 59.2%.

Macron’s France vs. Le Pen’s France, in charts

Polls show a clear divide between voters for the two candidates — across socio-economic, demographic and geographic groups.

www.politico.eu

 

[elon31]

Le Pen got thumped in the 18-24 demographic 40.8 to 59.2%.

Macron’s France vs. Le Pen’s France, in charts

Polls show a clear divide between voters for the two candidates — across socio-economic, demographic and geographic groups.

www.politico.eu

Yet 25 to 35 showed the opposite.
When they get some life experience they rapidly swing to the opposite side of the fence

 

[mcnulty]

Yet 25 to 35 showed the opposite.

No, it didn’t. Le Pen lost there too.

 

[FurTheWin]

Macron isn't overly popular as a character in France no matter the demographic. As a centrist he's seen as a supporter of the status quo, no good to anyone seeking change, left or right.
The 20s-30s age group are at a point where they want to be able to make major decisions like buying property and raising a family, but those prospects are looking poor the world over, not just in France. Blame Macron is simplistic thinking, no matter how frustrated you might be feeling.
Le Pen tried to tap into that with promises of tax breaks for younger voters, but didn't seem to have that properly costed out.
Cutting benefits for people with "non-traditional names" certainly wouldn't have covered it

 

[Seeds]

Macron isn't overly popular as a character in France no matter the demographic. As a centrist he's seen as a supporter of the status quo, no good to anyone seeking change, left or right.
The 20s-30s age group are at a point where they want to be able to make major decisions like buying property and raising a family, but those prospects are looking poor the world over, not just in France. Blame Macron is simplistic thinking, no matter how frustrated you might be feeling.
Le Pen tried to tap into that with promises of tax breaks for younger voters, but didn't seem to have that properly costed out.
Cutting benefits for people with "non-traditional names" certainly wouldn't have covered it

The hate for macron comes from his desire for change not desire for the status quo.

when he tried to impose carbon taxes the yellow vest revolution rose up against him.

and he nearly lost the last election to a putin lover because he tried to increase the retirement age.