Jesus he looked good tonight..
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Is North Melbourne passing on Logan McDonald going to be the 2021 version of the Bulldogs passing on Buddy for Ryan Griffin
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I’d be nervous if I was north’s recruiting staff
That is the thing with Key Forwards in their first 3 or 4 years as often you have to go by glimpses they show rather than looking at their body of work over the course of a full season. Not many second year Key Forwards are able to kick more than lets say 30 goals in a season.
McDonald has had quiet games but it is games like today that shows the potential he has. As he gets older, gets stronger and his body fills out more he won't get bullied off the ball and his performances will increase and become more consistant. For now it is games like today that give glimpses into the player he could be in a few years time.
Taking the names of McDonald and Phillips out of it.
North ****ed up not picking the key forward.
They are starting a rebuild and have barely any key forwards except Larkey...so it was a big need.
Key forwards are hard to get and they had a golden opportunity to draft a highly rated one. Went for a midfielder when they already invested high draft picks in that area and Swans swooped with the very next pick.
North ****ed up not picking the key forward.
They are starting a rebuild and have barely any key forwards except Larkey...so it was a big need.
Key forwards are hard to get and they had a golden opportunity to draft a highly rated one. Went for a midfielder when they already invested high draft picks in that area and Swans swooped with the very next pick.
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It’s a tough one because you also don’t want to take Schache over Oliver or McCartin over Petracca either.
There is always more risk with selecting a KPF as it is harder to tell if they are going to make it at an AFL level but in saying that the calculated risk can be worth it as generally speaking an individual KPF is structurally more important than an individual midfielder. A team only has 2 KPF's at most in their team whereas they are likely to have 12 midfielders.
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That’s true but do you still take someone that you think is a lesser talent just because they are KPF?
Very, very few recent premiership sides haven’t recruited atleast one of their tall forwards too. Maybe that’s North’s plan to partner Larkey. I’m pretty sure all of McKay, Curnow and Weideman are FA’s next season and North can blow those players clubs out of the water with big offers if they want.
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I've only read the stats (looks a fine game) - I don't think it's a fair comparison yet.
We've made numerous drafting blunders but I'm not losing sleep on this perceived one for now.
I think that's an unfair comparison. If McCartin didn't get delisted because of all the concussion he had, he would be one of the best forwards going around today. Schache is just a spud.
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Could have coinflipped on DGB or McDonald and both would have set their rebuild up nicely. Instead they've picked a smallish inside midfielder amongst a glut of other young inside midfielders.
North drafting Phillips over McDonald is more a result of an even worse decision by the club, which was to hire Scott Clayton into their recruiting team.
The bloke single-handedly butchered almost every Gold Coast draft and trade from inception through to 2017 when he was moved on.
The bloke single-handedly butchered almost every Gold Coast draft and trade from inception through to 2017 when he was moved on.
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Phillips was never going to be one of those players.
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You don't know that do you ? Kid has missed a good part of his first two seasons due to illness.
Conversely Essendon had 2 cracks at Chuck Curnow and Harry McKay and got neither.
That's pretty embarrassing
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You don't know that do you ? Kid has missed a good part of his first two seasons due to illness.
Conversely Essendon had 2 cracks at Chuck Curnow and Harry McKay and got neither.
That's pretty embarrassing
The guy is sub six foot, not explosive or disproportionately strong, not a clearance specialist or an aerialist, only has tidy skills. Not a single player in the competition has those attributes and is a star. Best case scenario wasn't a high ceiling but an ultra reliable leader. Compared to two of the most explosive, disproportionately strong mids you've seen. Both of whom had the highest upside in their draft.
Essendon's drafting that I partially disagreed with at the time, has nothing to do with this. My three favourites were Oliver, Francis and Curnow. So would have ended with the latter two. Always go biggest upside at the pointy end of the draft, because you can still miss with the sure thing, aka McGrath, Parish, Heppell.
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He’s a footballer. Much like Brownlow medalists like Sam and Tom Mitchell, Ablett, Cotchin and Neale. Walsh has one real weapon and that’s endurance but he still dominates without that skill.
You are also assuming they don’t look at a ceiling. What is so incredible about McDonald compared to other KPP’s coming through? There’s bigger, stronger and more athletic guys then him out there. The reason he looks promising is because he looks a smart footballer as I imagine North thought that would be Phillips biggest point of difference.
Edit. On this McDonald would be either shorter or slower then anyone in the top 20 of the Coleman. Maybe this makes north think he has a low ceiling…….
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Not one of those small mids you listed were selected in the top 20 because of how hit and miss they are and the upside is generally limited. Where’s Scully? Toumpas? O’Rourke? McGrath? SPS?
Wtf are you talking about he’s taller than half the players in the top 20 and is just as quick as a third of them.
He also has a stack of physical development left. Not something that can be said of a 180cm well developed kid.
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Taylor wasn’t in the top 20 at the time but on the back of a 1 goal game may have snuck in but will probably be out of it by the end of the week, yes and Jack is in it. So one top 20 goal kicker in the league who he would match for both height and athleticism.
Yes the players he is taller then are much more athletic, the rest are taller then him. There’s nothing special about him to suggest he will have a high ceiling other then footy smarts, the same as Phillip. Same point you’re making about Phillip being short, not freakishly strong or freakishly athletic even though plenty of players become stars with the same limitations. Both players aren’t special or poor physically. O’Rourke is a tall mid and a guy like Scully was supposed to be a Cousins clone. McGrath is actually athletic and strong, just not very good. Players like Rayner, Stephenson and Dow are seen as your high upside players with Brayshaw not so much.
This is my point, your talking about good recruiting vs bad recruiting. North thought Phillip was going to be a better player. McDonald like Phillip doesn’t have any physical trait that would be a reason for a high ceiling. Your only criteria for ceiling seems to be physical/athletically but both players are as equally plain in that regard.
It’s like the people saying Carlton should’ve taken Schache instead of Weitering because forwards are more important. Maybe you’re better off taking the player you think is better
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I think you are missing the point. It’s irrelevant, if you are good enough you are good enough. Phillip has a low ceiling because of not being a standout physically or athletically but McDonald has a high ceiling even though he is nothing special physically or Athletically. It is a contradiction especially when you still have stars like Miller, Neale running around and most KF are either that little bit bigger or more athletic then McDonald.
I don’t even rate Phillip highly and am a really big fan of McDonald but for all we know North may have actually thought Phillip has the higher ceiling from what they seen of him
That's because he played 30 something interrupted games for the Saints, Point out which 30 game forward looked like a star.
