Anthony Albanese - How long?

[Gralin]

She should be able to answer if she's a dual citizen without even thinking given the the last five years.

Not the point of the problem
You might not have seen it but there's a bunch of Labor supporters saying she's stolen the seat because of a Wikipedia page

 

[William Wonka]

Lol the reason is we don't want to let poor brown people in

We lets tens of thousands of poor brown people in every year by plane.
They keep wages down and help the housing ponzi scheme ticking along.
Thats not even counting the 457 visas

Stopping a few boats makes it LOOK like none are coming and locks in votes from people with Southern Cross tatts

 

[HairyO]

What do you think of it?
I've seen a lot of drips on twitter with this has the party done it?

Its on ABC News website now so I assume it has some teeth. Surely no-one would be dumb enough not to rescind any rights to foreign citizenship, plus the AEC is explicit in the requirements when you put your name on the ballot.

Would be amazed if it goes anywhere. Just a case of bitter mud flinging. Seems to follow Keneally around.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Its on ABC News website now so I assume it has some teeth. Surely no-one would be dumb enough not to rescind any rights to foreign citizenship, plus the AEC is explicit in the requirements when you put your name on the ballot.

Would be amazed if it goes anywhere. Just a case of bitter mud flinging. Seems to follow Keneally around.

over a dozen - a ******* dozen - poli's for the alp and libs and nats and the greens have been ****ed by this

everything from kiwis to poms to hungarians and on and on

most have actually been european, not asian fwiw

this is now standard for all parties - do a check on all people who win office in case they dont meet this hurdle (because so many havent)

as ive said already, this has been publicised to death - it claimed the deputy pm remember - so ignorance isnt an excuse. it should be one of the first things any candidate checks, esp now as they have to make an aec declaration on this

and for the record, im assuming she's cool because she wouldnt be dumb enough to make the declaration without confirming her status first

 

[HairyO]

over a dozen - a ******* dozen - poli's for the alp and libs and nats and the greens have been ducked by this

everything from kiwis to poms to hungarians and on and on

most have actually been european, not asian fwiw

this is now standard for all parties - do a check on all people who win office in case they dont meet this hurdle (because so many havent)

as ive said already, this has been publicised to death - it claimed the deputy pm remember - so ignorance isnt an excuse. it should be one of the first things any candidate checks, esp now as they have to make an aec declaration on this

and for the record, im assuming she's cool because she wouldnt be dumb enough to make the declaration without confirming her status first

Yeah exactly. And as I said, the AEC is now very strict in their requirements. You cant even start the process without proving you have no other citizenship.

The only grey area now is if another country changes their citizenship rules - and even then Im sure the High Court would allow a politician to rescind again (ie if Italy now decided Albo is Italian in theory he would not be able to serve, but in reality the High Court would say no).

 

[The Passenger]

Not the point of the problem
You might not have seen it but there's a bunch of Labor supporters saying she's stolen the seat because of a Wikipedia page

If people are claiming that they should be called out. Unfortunately the undertones are usually pretty obvious, even if the mob can claim ambiguity (which the almost always do).

If people are questioning her application form then it's probably fair enough as it seems she's written she was never* a citizen of another country but she would have been. Regardless I don't think it's a reason to bar someone from sitting in parliament and there's probably a fair argument even if the question is necessary you shouldn't have to include countries you were a citizen of only before you were an adult.

*That's the quick report I read. I never realised you had to list countries you were previously a citizen of... Or perhaps I misread the report. According to the super stars at the Daily Mail "A a report claimed she failed to indicate on electoral forms when and how she gave up her Vietnamese citizenship."

 

[JackOutback]

Yeah exactly. And as I said, the AEC is now very strict in their requirements. You cant even start the process without proving you have no other citizenship.

Incorrect. The AEC asks you to declare you are not a citizen and that is it. The obligation is on you to have done the legwork. If it turns out after all the publicity that she is a dual citizen, that would be on her, not the AEC.

I certainly hope none of the criticism is racist, but there's a valid issue here based on what's been reported.

 

[Gralin]

Its on ABC News website now so I assume it has some teeth. Surely no-one would be dumb enough not to rescind any rights to foreign citizenship, plus the AEC is explicit in the requirements when you put your name on the ballot.

Would be amazed if it goes anywhere. Just a case of bitter mud flinging. Seems to follow Keneally around.

yes it is her, a former ABC journalist on the ABC website saying its the Labor party but that's it

like I said I've seen plenty of labor supporters on twitter going off about it and I wouldn't be surprised if someone from a branch is involved but I hadn't seen anything like that confirmed

 

[Gralin]

To be clear I think this is s**t I just think calling Labor voters the ALP is a bad look if its not the ALP and just voters

 

[HairyO]

Incorrect. The AEC asks you to declare you are not a citizen and that is it. The obligation is on you to have done the legwork. If it turns out after all the publicity that she is a dual citizen, that would be on her, not the AEC.

I certainly hope none of the criticism is racist, but there's a valid issue here based on what's been reported.

Candidate eligibility

Information about qualifying as a candidate

www.aec.gov.au

At the bottom are the mandatory qualification checklist and detailed information section. I have no desire to be a politician and Im aware of it. Staggering to think that someone actually putting their name on a ballot isnt aware.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Yeah exactly. And as I said, the AEC is now very strict in their requirements. You cant even start the process without proving you have no other citizenship.

The only grey area now is if another country changes their citizenship rules - and even then Im sure the High Court would allow a politician to rescind again (ie if Italy now decided Albo is Italian in theory he would not be able to serve, but in reality the High Court would say no).

actually youre 100% wrong

the aec cannot check this while you are only a candidate, they have to rely on your declaration being accurate. this is why we have the annoying situation of waiting till they win to have this decided by the courts.

as i posted already, some want the aec to have the power to check candidates, but some are saying it needs a constitutional change for this to occur (no idea if this is accurate legally)

 

[Vindicater]

How many people is this going to catch.

I would say she is not dumb enough to be caught out by this but then I said the same thing for the last 10 or so people.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Candidate eligibility

Information about qualifying as a candidate

www.aec.gov.au

At the bottom are the mandatory qualification checklist and detailed information section. I have no desire to be a politician and Im aware of it. Staggering to think that someone actually putting their name on a ballot isnt aware.

on the last sentence i 100% agree, but amazingly they keep doing it. i genuinely find it baffling

 

[The Passenger]

The whole dual citizenship was pretty funny watching people get caught up in it, particularly that flog Barnaby.

But in reality it just costs taxpayers money doing by-elections. There should be some clause where a by-election is only needed if your margin of victory was less than 5% (52.5 to 47.5 or closer) otherwise just sort out your citizenship and we carry on*. We didn't need all the bollox just to know what we we already knew - old mate Barnaby has a lock on the New England electorate.

*Obviously there has to be a time limit to get it sorted (say 3 months maximum) and you can't sit in parliament until your citizenship is fully renounced.

 

[Gralin]

Incorrect. The AEC asks you to declare you are not a citizen and that is it. The obligation is on you to have done the legwork. If it turns out after all the publicity that she is a dual citizen, that would be on her, not the AEC.

I certainly hope none of the criticism is racist, but there's a valid issue here based on what's been reported.

whats been reported is her wiki page doesn't match her voting forms
given anyone can edit a wiki page and a wiki page isn't a legally binding document it's not by itself valid

but it is interesting they are attacking the validity of an Immigrant from South Vietnam, a country that hasn't existed since 1975 in defence of KKK who is apparently the good immigrant, blonde, white and American

 

[Seeds]

Maaaate... When you get to the point that your strategy is hoping your opponents die so they can't claim the compensation they're entitled to, it might be time to rethink imo

Delaying court and possible payment is always a good strategy regardless of whether death was on the cards.

no one wants to face judgement earlier then they have too. Or judgement at all. Her job was to stop payouts.

i really dont see what the problem is From the lawyers perspective.

the law simply shouldnt allow it. But if it does then you make full use of it as its in the clients interest.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Maaaate... When you get to the point that your strategy is hoping your opponents die so they can't claim the compensation they're entitled to, it might be time to rethink imo

What makes you say that was the strategy? I’m not a compo specialist but my understanding is that if a plaintiff dies the estate takes their place. Just as an estate is liable for debts of a deceased.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

I certainly hope none of the criticism is racist, but there's a valid issue here based on what's been reported.

There's not a valid issue at all and it is most definitely racist. People have observed that a brown woman who was born in Vietnam was elected to the seat of Fowler, that she may cost the ALP a majority and that she's not likely to support them on the floor so they're trying to remove her from her seat.

Nobody would have raised this issue about Keneally; if a white woman like her said that she renounced her citizenship before applying, people would simply believe it and move on. Women of colour have to try much harder to be taken seriously in this country.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I wonder what Albo thinks of his Labor mates running a racist campaign against Dai Le and claiming she is a dual citizen.

How is it racist?

 

[HairyO]

How is it racist?

Hrmmm going after her by claiming she is a citizen of another country?

Bit of a tough one I know.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

The whole dual citizenship was pretty funny watching people get caught up in it, particularly that flog Barnaby.

But in reality it just costs taxpayers money doing by-elections. There should be some clause where a by-election is only needed if your margin of victory was less than 5% (52.5 to 47.5 or closer) otherwise just sort out your citizenship and we carry on*. We didn't need all the bollox just to know what we we already knew - old mate Barnaby has a lock on the New England electorate.

*Obviously there has to be a time limit to get it sorted (say 3 months maximum) and you can't sit in parliament until your citizenship is fully renounced.

the problem is your idea assumes they will do the remedy in a required time. it also assumes people wont change their vote, or the party still support the candidate

its a messy problem with no easy fix - even the "give the AEC vetting power" argument brings up the issue of govt approved candidates

 

[Gough]

whats been reported is her wiki page doesn't match her voting forms
given anyone can edit a wiki page and a wiki page isn't a legally binding document it's not by itself valid

but it is interesting they are attacking the validity of an Immigrant from South Vietnam, a country that hasn't existed since 1975 in defence of KKK who is apparently the good immigrant, blonde, white and American

Was the issue with Joyce being an Enzeder racist too?

 

[Gralin]

Was the issue with Joyce being an Enzeder racist too?

The white guy born here with a dad born in New Zealand

Yes gough thats exactly the same....

 

[Ned_Flanders]

The white guy born here with a dad born in New Zealand

Yes gough thats exactly the same....

so why is it racist to apply this requirement for a vietnamese origin person when its been applied mostly to european and kiwi origins to date?

 

[Gough]

The white guy born here with a dad born in New Zealand

Yes gough thats exactly the same....

I don't see this one as racist. S 44 should be one of the first things that any aspiring politician here with links to another country should make sure they're on top of.