Autopsy AFL 2022 Round 11 - Swans v Tigers Fri May 27th 7:50pm EST (SCG)

Who will win and by how much?

  • Swans by a goal or less

    Votes: 2 4.4%
  • Tigers by a goal or less

    Votes: 1 2.2%
  • Swans by 7 - 20

    Votes: 12 26.7%
  • Tigers by 7 - 20

    Votes: 18 40.0%
  • Swans by a lot

    Votes: 7 15.6%
  • Tigers by a lot

    Votes: 5 11.1%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    45
  • Poll closed .
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Feasibility is not a relevant consideration
LOL
The free was paid, then the siren went, then he kicked it into the crowd
Correct line of events.

He only kicked it into the crowd BECAUSE the siren went.
That's 50m every day of the week
If he kicked the ball away post free with no siren like what happens "every day of the week" it would have been 50m

But this wasnt an "every day of the week" instance.

Thankfully we had an experienced umpire make the right call, that Warner's action (kicking the ball into the crowd in celebration post siren) wasnt punishable under the spirit and intent of law 19.
 
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LOL

Correct line of events.

He only kicked it into the crowd BECAUSE the siren went.

If he kicked the ball away post free with no siren like what happens "every day of the week" it would have been 50m

But this wasnt an "every day of the week" instance.

Thankfully we had an experienced umpire make the right call, that Warner's action (kicking the ball into the crowd in celebration post siren) wasnt punishable under the spirit and intent of law 19.
He had no right to kick it into the crowd, the free kick whistle had blown pre-siren and the umps hadn't blown full time so the game was still live

50m
 
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This was paid 50m on the stroke of half time of Freo vs Essendon. Far less of an inconvenience than the ball being Torped into the top deck
Chalk and cheese

Switz had the ball, knew he was pinged, and deliberately rolled the ball away. It was umsportsmanlike and deliberate to delay proceedings.

Warner was celebrating a stirring come from behind victory, and belted the ball into the crowd in celebration.

The "comparisons" people are making dont stack up.
 

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Some of the Tigers posters have been suggesting that it gave the Swans players real time (as opposed to clock time) to get as many players back into defence.

It's a bit farcical given Sydney had most players back anyway and even if they didnt, by the time Prestia had lined up and taken his time to kick they well and truly would have had most players back.
What are you on about. The siren went a second after the whistle blew. There was no time for the ball to even get into prestias hands let alone kick it.
 

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He could have had a quick shot to an empty goal face and bounced it through
The siren went 1 second after the whistle was blown. Are you suggesting in that 1 second that Warner belted the ball away that he could have turned around, given the ball to Prestia, Prestia goes back and still has time to kick the ball.... In 1 second.... Really? The game wasn't stopped so the clock continues to count down, and the siren went before Prestia would've had a chance to even receive the ball back. Common sense prevailed tonight.
 
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He had no right to kick it into the crowd, the free kick whistle had blown pre-siren and the umps hadn't blown full time so the game was still live

50m
It is pretty simple

No siren, no celebratory boot into the crowd.

The spirit and intent of the law is for an umpire to punish players who act in an unsporting manner and impede or delay the game.

The correct decision was made under the spirit and intent of the law.

The problem is that the AFL give examples ie "not giving the ball back on the full" and some nuffies cling to it.

The reality is that an umpire makes a determination of the act, did they have enough time between whistle and action to punish them. There are numerous instances where players dispose of a ball post free kick whistle that go unpunished that according to the "letter of the law" in the "not giving it back on the full" should be.

Because most people gets that there needs to be a bit of lag for it to be punishable, the spirit and intent of the rule comes in.

It is simply applying the laws under the spirit and intent of which they are written, they werent written to punish a player for a post siren celebration kick into the crowd.
 
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FWIW i think the right call was made tonight , but how can there be a delay to proceedings when the siren has gone?
IMHO Swit was done for unsportsmanlike conduct, he deliberately cracked the sads after being caught holding the ball, and threw the ball away.

50m everyday when you do that.

I agree that you cant delay proceedings after siren, hence no 50m against Warner the correct call IMHO.
 
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The siren went 1 second after the whistle was blown. Are you suggesting in that 1 second that Warner belted the ball away that he could have turned around, given the ball to Prestia, Prestia goes back and still has time to kick the ball.... In 1 second.... Really? The game wasn't stopped so the clock continues to count down, and the siren went before Prestia would've had a chance to even receive the ball back. Common sense prevailed tonight.
Go back and read my other posts on what Prestia could have done
 
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It is pretty simple

No siren, no celebratory boot into the crowd.

The spirit and intent of the law is for an umpire to punish players who act in an unsporting manner and impede or delay the game.

The correct decision was made under the spirit and intent of the law.

The problem is that the AFL give examples ie "not giving the ball back on the full" and some nuffies cling to it.

The reality is that an umpire makes a determination of the act, did they have enough time between whistle and action to punish them. There are numerous instances where players dispose of a ball post free kick whistle that go unpunished that according to the "letter of the law" in the "not giving it back on the full" should be.

Because most people gets that there needs to be a bit of lag for it to be punishable, the spirit and intent of the rule comes in.

It is simply applying the laws under the spirit and intent of which they are written, they werent written to punish a player for a post siren celebration kick into the crowd.
Yes it is simple. If the whistle goes you stop, you don't smash the ball 50 rows back

The game is over when the umpire blows full time, not when the siren goes

He didn't return the ball promptly after a free so it's 50m every time, irrelevant if he heard the whistle (pretty sure he would have anyway) or if the siren went
 

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IMHO Swit was done for unsportsmanlike conduct, he deliberately cracked the sads after being caught holding the ball, and threw the ball away.

50m everyday when you do that.

I agree that you cant delay proceedings after siren, hence no 50m against Warner the correct call IMHO.
Did the ump wear yellow tonight?

If so..fitting
 

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Sydney seem to do well with these technicalities after the final siren. Last night as well as the Rampe goal post climbing incident against Essendon a couple of years ago.

Per the rules - it's a 50m penalty. Players have to return the ball properly to the player awarded a free. Examples of this below. On the side, I think the free to Prestia was soft, and you could argue Warner should've got a high fend free and then it's game over anyway. But this game was riddled with ridiculous decisions and non-decisions alike.

Regarding giving the ball back, it's completely irrelevant if the player hears the whistle or not. If they don't give the ball back quickly, it's 50m. People are saying, "oh it was a special circumstance, the umpires applied the rule based on the feel of the game etc.", but this is all just hogwash. Putting my Tigers hat on, in the past 3 weeks we've been penalized for the exact same thing. Against each of Collingwood, Hawthorn, and Essendon, opposition players received a free kick as the ball went over the back into Tigers hands, the ump blew the whistle but clearly the player didn't hear, and they ran in and kicked a goal (Bolton x2 vs Hawks/Bombers, Dusty x1 vs Pies). Each time it was a 50m penalty against.

With the interpretation from last night, every time a free kick is paid a player can justifiably boot the ball 60m away and they shouldn't be penalized, as "they might not have heard the whistle". These grey areas are what is screwing with our great game. All we want is consistency, and that just isn't being applied right now.
 

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It infuriates me how the media straight away play down the Lance Franlin incident. Commentators saying nah I think he will be fine with that (Daisy Pearce). Johnathon Brown on Fox footy saying he should be fine. REALLY!?! Franklin is a protected player just like Martin, just like Cripps, etc etc.
There were 2 strikes. The first was open palm in to Cotchin's collar bone / chest region and the second was a closed fist to the jaw. If the AFL are all about stamping out bad looks in the game AND protecting the head he should be getting referred straight to the tribunal. Minimum 2 weeks.

If this was any other player in the league outside of the protected players how many weeks would they get? If this was Toby Greene how many weeks would he get? 6? 10? It should NOT matter who the player is who makes the strike. It was intentional, high contact with a chance to cause MAJOR injury.
 

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Sydney seem to do well with these technicalities after the final siren. Last night as well as the Rampe goal post climbing incident against Essendon a couple of years ago.

Per the rules - it's a 50m penalty. Players have to return the ball properly to the player awarded a free. Examples of this below. On the side, I think the free to Prestia was soft, and you could argue Warner should've got a high fend free and then it's game over anyway. But this game was riddled with ridiculous decisions and non-decisions alike.

Regarding giving the ball back, it's completely irrelevant if the player hears the whistle or not. If they don't give the ball back quickly, it's 50m. People are saying, "oh it was a special circumstance, the umpires applied the rule based on the feel of the game etc.", but this is all just hogwash. Putting my Tigers hat on, in the past 3 weeks we've been penalized for the exact same thing. Against each of Collingwood, Hawthorn, and Essendon, opposition players received a free kick as the ball went over the back into Tigers hands, the ump blew the whistle but clearly the player didn't hear, and they ran in and kicked a goal (Bolton x2 vs Hawks/Bombers, Dusty x1 vs Pies). Each time it was a 50m penalty against.

With the interpretation from last night, every time a free kick is paid a player can justifiably boot the ball 60m away and they shouldn't be penalized, as "they might not have heard the whistle". These grey areas are what is screwing with our great game. All we want is consistency, and that just isn't being applied right now.

Lol. It’s not clear from the technicalities in the rules if it’s 50 or not, and as you say the free was dubious and Warner was stiff. In the end the right result came out in the wash albeit controversial. I think it’s one of those incidents that the rules aren’t ever going to cover off on.

But just think about it….. it’s grand final and the tigers have made a huge comeback against Carlton…. The second stick down and the baying MCG crowd are deafening. Soft free paid to Carlton with 1 second to go…..siren….crowd erupts tiger player goes ballistic in jubilation and boots the ball……

Do you really want a 50m paid in that instance deciding a grand final? It’s absolutely ridiculous tbh…and if an umpire did you would all be in here presenting a different argument.

There were numerous missed frees/ poorly paid frees throughout the game that influenced the result….. but we all just focus on that one issue that in reality was adjudicated maturely and

Game is over. Correct result. Move on and stop the salt.
 

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It infuriates me how the media straight away play down the Lance Franlin incident. Commentators saying nah I think he will be fine with that (Daisy Pearce). Johnathon Brown on Fox footy saying he should be fine. REALLY!?! Franklin is a protected player just like Martin, just like Cripps, etc etc.
There were 2 strikes. The first was open palm in to Cotchin's collar bone / chest region and the second was a closed fist to the jaw. If the AFL are all about stamping out bad looks in the game AND protecting the head he should be getting referred straight to the tribunal. Minimum 2 weeks.

If this was any other player in the league outside of the protected players how many weeks would they get? If this was Toby Greene how many weeks would he get? 6? 10? It should NOT matter who the player is who makes the strike. It was intentional, high contact with a chance to cause MAJOR injury.

Ironically the biggest protected species in that game was the one who copped a bitch slap.
 
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